Transformers Population?

[jboyler]

Here's a question:

How many total Transformers, Autobots and Decepticons, do you think there are?

In some comics they make Cybertron look abandoned and in others it looks like there may be thousands, perhaps even millions of Cybertronian civillians. But more importantly, exactly how many Autobots and Decepticons are there? We know there are tons of different toys and comic characters, but we only ever see a dozen or so at a time.

How many, as a ballpark figure, do you think there are?

-J

[Metal Vendetta]

In some comics they make Cybertron look abandoned and in others it looks like there may be thousands, perhaps even millions of Cybertronian civillians.

So how come your poll only goes up to "more than 150"? There are blatantly more than 150 Transformers on each side because there are more toys than that...

[Best First]

hundreds of thousands at least.

[Brendocon]

There are blatantly more than 150 Transformers on each side because there are more toys than that...

Over what period of time, though?

You can't include BW/Armada/RiD in the same timescale as Gen 1. How many toys were released over the course of Gen 1?

[Señior's Covenant]

If I recall correctly there were billions lost in the initial strike of the Decepticons. Who knows what happened in the millenia before that. There's plenty more than 150 I'm sure. It's like any other program of any other venue, we're seeing only the most important players or stars. There are some places on Cybertron highly populated still, some abandoned. Remember, this is a Saturn sized planet. And that's not even going into sub-levels.

[Metal Vendetta]

How many toys were released over the course of Gen 1?

This many:

Autobots:

Optimus Prime - Red Freightliner COE Dual-Axle tractor truck
with Roller - Grey six-wheeled car
with Combat Deck - Grey trailer/platform/repair bay
Jetfire - White jet
Bluestreak - Grey Datsun 280ZX with T-bar roof
Hound - Green Army Mitsubishi J59 jeep
Ironhide - Red Nissan Onebox van
Jazz - White Porsche 935 Turbo
Mirage - Blue F-1 Ligier JS25 Formula 1 racer
Prowl - White Datsun 280ZX police cruiser
Ratchet - White Toyota Previa (or Nissan Onebox) van/ambulance
Sideswipe - Red Lamborghini Countach LP500S
Sunstreaker - Yellow Lamborghini Countach LP500S ("Super Tuning", with exposed rear engine)
Trailbreaker - Black Toyota 4WD Hilux
Wheeljack - White Lancia Stratos Turbo racing car
Brawn - Green Land Rover Defender 4 x 4
Bumblebee - Yellow Volkswagen Beetle
"Bumper" (or "Bumblejumper") - Yellow Mazda Familia 1500XG
Cliffjumper - Red Porsche 924 Turbo
Gears - Red/Blue 4WD off-road truck
Huffer - Orange tractor cab
Windcharger - Red Trans Am
Camshaft - Grey Mazda Savannah RX-7
Downshift - White Toyota Celica XX
Overdrive - Red Ferrari 305
Grapple - Orange crane
Hoist - Green Toyota 4WD Wrecker tow-truck
Inferno - Red fire engine
Red Alert - White Lamborghini Countach LP500S fire escort
Skids - Blue Honda City Turbo compact
Smokescreen - Red/Blue Datsun CRX
Tracks - Blue Corvette Stingray
Metroplex - White city/battle station
with Scamper - Black car/robot
with Six-Gun - Red/White robot/tower/guns
with Slammer - White tank/tower
Blaster - Red/Beige ghetto blaster
Omega Supreme - Grey base/rocket/tank
Roadbuster - Brown 54AR Variable Vehicle 4WD
Whirl - Blue 64MR Variable helicopter
Slag - Silver/grey triceratops
Sludge - Silver/grey apatosaurus
Snarl - Silver/grey stegosaurus
Swoop - Silver/grey pteranadon
Grimlock (Leader) - Silver/grey tyrannosaurus
Topspin - Blue/White rocket sled
Twin Twist - Blue/White drill tank
Beachcomber - Blue dune buggy
Cosmos - Green flying saucer
Powerglide - Red A-10 Thunderbolt II airplane
Seaspray - Blue/White/Yellow hovercraft
Warpath - Red Sheridan tank
Perceptor - Red microscope
Ultra Magnus - White Freightliner COE Dual-Axle tractor truck
with trailer - Red/White/Blue car carrier/body armor
Air Raid - Black F-15 Eagle
Firefight - Red F-4 Phantom II
Skydive - Grey F-16 Fighting Falcon
Slingshot - White Sea Harrier GR.3 jet
Silverbolt (Leader) - White Concorde SST jet
Blurr - Blue futuristic car
Hot Rod - Red/Orange/Yellow car
Kup - Blue futuristic pickup truck
Eject - Blue cassette/robot
Ramhorn - Brown cassette/rhino
Rewind - Black cassette/robot
Steeljaw - Yellow cassette/lion
Rodimus Prime - Orange/Red futuristic Winnebago
Wreck-Gar - Orange/Red/Yellow motorcycle
Hubcap - Yellow Porsche 924 (or Porsche 944)
Outback - Brown Land Rover Defender 4 x 4
Pipes - Blue trailer cab
Swerve - Red/White 4WD off-road truck
Tailgate - White modified Trans Am
Wheelie - Orange futuristic car
Blades - White Super Huey helicopter
First Aid - White Toyota "window van" ambulance
Groove - White Honda Goldwing motorcycle
Streetwise - White Nissan 300 ZX police car
Hotspot (Leader) - Blue fire engine
Sky Lynx - White Space Shuttle (bird) with Blue cargo carrier (lynx)
Broadside - Grey jet/aircraft carrier
Sandstorm - Orange dune buggy/helicopter
Springer - Green helicopter/futuristic car
Fortress Maximus - Grey/Red/White city/battle station
with Cerebros - Grey Headmaster figure for Fortress Maximus
with Spike - Grey Headmaster figure for Cerebros
with Gasket - Grey transport vehicle
with Grommet - Blue transport vehicle
Cloudraker - Red/Grey futuristic plane
Fastlane - Red/Grey futuristic car
Punch/Counterpunch - Dark Blue/Yellow/Red Pontiac Fierro
Brainstorm - Blue/White/Grey futuristic jet
with Arcana - Blue/Grey Headmaster figure
Chromedome - Brown/Red/Tan futuristic car
with Stylor - Red/Grey Headmaster figure
Hardhead - Green/Grey futuristic tank
with Duros - Green/Grey Headmaster figure
Highbrow - Blue/Grey futuristic two-rotor helicopter
with Gort - Blue/Grey Headmaster figure
Doublecross - Grey/Red/White two-headed dragon
Grotusque - Red/Grey/White/Blue sabretooth tiger
Repugnus - Yellow/Red/White humanoid insect monster
Crosshairs - Blue/Red futuristic truck
with Pinpointer - Red/Dark Grey Targetmaster figure
Pointblank - Red/Blue futuristic car
with Peacemaker - Red/Dark Grey Targetmaster figure
Sureshot - Yellow/Orange dune buggy
with Spoilsport - Red/Dark Grey Targetmaster figure
Afterburner - Brown/White futuristic motorcycle
Lightspeed - Red/White futuristic car
Nosecone - Orange/White futuristic drill tank
Strafe - Orange/Red/White futuristic jet
Scattershot (Leader) - Red/White/Brown futuristic jet/gun emplacement
Chase - Red Ferrari
Freeway - Blue Corvette
Goldbug - Gold Volkeswagen Beetle
Rollbar - Green Jeep CR-1
Searchlight - White Ford RS200
Wideload - Orange dump truck
Grandslam - Red cassette/tank
Raindance - Blue cassette/futuristic jet
Hosehead - Red/Grey fire engine
with Lug - Headmaster figure
Nightbeat - Blue/Yellow Porsche 959 Turbo
with Muzzle - Headmaster figure
Siren - Grey/Blue/Red Toyota Supra
with Quig - Headmaster figure
Highjump - Grey Jimmy GMC
Mudslinger - Blue 4 x 4
Powertrain - Orange/Blue tractor cab
Tote - Red mini-van
Free Wheeler - Yellow Lamborghini
Roadhandler - Red Corvette
Swindler - Grey De Lorean
Tailspin - Blue Porsche racer
Getaway - White/Red/Black Mazda RX-7
with Rev - Powermaster figure
Joyride - Green/Red/White dune buggy
with Hotwire - Powermaster figure
Slapdash - Yellow/Blue/Grey F-1 racer
with Lube - Powermaster figure
Cloudburst - Red/Black jet (Red/Blue/Grey human)
Groundbreaker - Grey/Black futuristic car (Grey/Orange human)
Landmine - Grey/Red mine sweeper (Grey/Yellow/Red human)
Sky High - Red/Grey/Blue helicopter (Red/Grey/Black human)
Splashdown - Red/Grey hovership (Blue/Grey human)
Waverider - Black/Grey hovercraft/submersible (Black/Grey/Red human)
Catilla - Grey sabretooth tiger (sabretooth tiger)
Chainclaw - Grey/yellow grizzly bear (grizzly bear)
Gunrunner - Green/Orange futuristic jet (Red/Orange car)
Quickswitch - Turquoise/Red/Grey/White futuristic jet/drill tank/laser pistol/hovercraft/puma
Fizzle - Blue Formula 1 racing car
Guzzle - Grey/Silver/Yellow UK Challenger main battle tank
Sizzle - Black/Red sports car
Landfill - Brown dump truck
with Flintlock - Blue Targetmaster figure
with Silencer - Yellow Targetmaster figure
Quickmix - Red cement mixer
with Boomer - Blue Targetmaster figure
with Ricochet - Yellow Targetmaster figure
Scoop - Orange payloader
with Holepunch - Blue Targetmaster figure
with Tracer - Yellow Targetmaster figure
Backstreet - Orange Porsche racer
Dogfight - Blue Grumman X-29 jet
Override - Red/Blue motorcycle
Big Shot - Beige/Brown Rhino mortar tank
Flak - Green/Grey missile launching tank
Sidetrack - Beige/Brown lowland tank
Sunrunner - Beige Hawkeye bomber
Fixit - White ambulance
Red Hot - Red fire engine
Seawatch - Blue police boat
Stakeout - Black police cruiser
Groundshaker - Green stealth jet
with command center - Red/Blue all-terrain vehicle/defence base
Countdown - Red lunar rover
with rocket base - Blue/White/Grey rocket launch pad/space command center
Hot House - White fighter jet
with fire station - Red/Orange fire station/tank
Ironworks - Yellow tractor cab
with construction site - Yellow/Grey construction site/laser communications array
Erector - Yellow tractor-trailer cab
with crane trailer - Yellow/Grey trailer with crane/anti-aircraft unit
Overload - Blue tractor-trailer cab
with car carrier - Red/Grey carrier trailer/fighter jet
Doubleheader - Red/Black futuristic jet (Blue/Grey/Green two-headed human)
Longtooth - Red/Blue truck (Yellow/Grey/Brown walrus creature)
Pincher - Red/Blue scorpion (Yellow/Grey human)
Crossblades - Orange futuristic dragster (Green helicopter)
Vroom - Red futuristic car (Red/White motorcycle)
Skyhammer - Blue futuristic car
with outer shell - Grey/Red VTOL jet
with inner shell - Red/Gold human/futuristic jet
Jackpot - Yellow/Silver/Black robot
with Sights - Blue/Black condor
Kick-Off - Red/White/Purple robot
with Turbo Pack - Black/Orange jet pack
Mainframe - Red/Purple/Grey robot
with Push-Button - Yellow/Blue tank
Rad - Red/Silver/Blue robot
with Lionizer - Silver/Red panther
Rollout - White/Orange/Brown/Blue robot
with Glitch - Grey futuristic cannon
Skyfall - Red/White/Orange robot
with Top-Heavy - Orange/Purple rhinocerous
Over-Run - Red/Grey robot
with Attack Copter - Green/Grey helicopter/gun battery
Sprocket - White/Orange/Blue robot
with Attack Cruiser - Olive Green/Grey Jeep/helicopter
Blaze Master - Brown support helicopter
Eagle Eye - Light Blue F-15
Sky High - White Concord
Tread Bolt - Blue Advanced B-2 bomber
Crumble - Grey/Orange/Yellow crane
Groundpounder - Orange plow
Neutro - Yellow/Orange bulldozer
Takedown - Red/White cement mixer
Big Daddy - Black hot rod
Greaser - Orange/Yellow hot rod
Hubs - Lime hot rod
Trip-Up - White Ford Mustang
Big Hauler - Green monster car
Heavy Tread - Orange monster truck
Hydraulic - Blue monster truck
Slow Poke - Yellow monster truck
Barrage/Heave - Grey lunar vehicle
Moonrock/Missile Master - Red rocket launcher
Phaser/Blast Master - White Space Shuttle
Oiler/Slide - Blue/Grey oil tanker
Strikedown/Power Run - White/Blue hovercraft
Wheel Blaze/Road Burner - Yellow fire engine
Full-Barrel/Overflow - Blue/Grey tractor cab and trailer
with battle truck - Blue/White battle truck/jet fighter
with battle trailer - Red/Grey trailer/space shuttle
Retro/Surge - Red tractor cab and trailer
with missile launcher - Yellow/Green missile launcher platform/cab
Pipeline/Gusher - Orange tractor cab and trailer
with oil tanker - Blue/Silver oil tanker/battle platform
Powerflash - Red/Yellow/Grey robot
with Road Rocket - Black/Blue assault tank
Circuit - Yellow/Blue robot
with dragster - Red/Pink dragster/exo-suit
Rumbler - Blue/Green/Grey/Orange robot
with ATV - Yellow all-terrain vehicle/exo-suit (motorized)
Omega Spreem - Yellow/Orange/Green tank
Windmill - Green helicopter
Flame - Yellow Lamborghini Countach
with "Laster" - Energon operator
Gripper - Black dune buggy
with "Blacker" - Energon operator
Lightspeed - Red Ferrari F-40
with "Braver" - Energon operator

Decepticons:

Megatron - Grey Walther P-38 "U.N.C.L.E. Special"
Buzzsaw - Gold cassette/condor
Frenzy - Blue cassette/robot
Laserbeak - Red cassette/condor
Ravage - Black cassette/jaguar
Rumble - Red/Black cassette/robot
Soundwave - Blue Sony Walkman cassette player
Skywarp - Black F-15
Starscream - Grey/Red F-15
Thundercracker - Blue F-15
Shockwave - Purple laser gun
Bonecrusher - Lime bulldozer
Hook - Lime crane
Mixmaster - Lime cement mixer
Long Haul - Lime dump truck
Scavenger - Lime digger
Scrapper (Constructicon leader) - Lime payloader
Barrage - Green rhinoceros beetle
Chop Shop - Brown lamelacorn
Ransack - Black cricket
Venom - Green/Orange/White cicada
Bombshell - Black/Purple boll weevil (or rhinoceros beetle)
Kickback - Black/Purple grasshopper
Shrapnel - Black/Purple stag beetle
Dirge - Blue jet
Ramjet - White fighter jet
Thrust - Red VTOL fighter jet
Astrotrain - Purple/Black/White space shuttle/D62 steam locomotive
Blitzwing - Purple/Beige MiG-25 Foxbat jet/Mitsubishi Type 74 Main Battle Tank
Galvatron - Grey/Blue laser cannon/pistol
Runabout - Black Lotus Espirit
Runamuck - White Pontiac Firebird
Spectro - Black camera flashbulb
Spy Glass - Black camera lens
Viewfinder - Grey camera shutterpiece
Ratbat - Purple cassette/bat
Trypticon - Grey city/tyrannosaurus rex
with Full-Tilt - Purple car/robot
with Brunt - Purple tank/city parts
Blast Off - Black/Brown Space Shuttle
Brawl - Green Leopard 1 tank
Swindle - Brown Jeep
Vortex - Grey Kaman Sea Sprite SH-2 helicopter
Onslaught (Leader) - Green flatbed truck with cannon
Cyclonus - Purple futuristic jet
Scourge - Grey/Blue hovercraft
Divebomb - Black/Orange hawk
Headstrong - Red/Orange rhinocerous
Rampage - Red/Orange tiger
Tantrum - Red/Orange bull
Razorclaw (Leader) - Black/Yellow lion
Gnaw - Violet/Grey/Blue shark/monster
Breakdown - White Lamborghini Countach
Dead End - Red Porsche 928
Drag Strip - Yellow Tyrrell P34 Six-Wheeler F-1 racer
Wildrider - Grey Ferrari 308GTB
Motormaster (Leader) - Grey tractor trailer
Octane - White tanker truck/jumbo jet
Scorponok - Green/Purple/Orange Fortress/Scorpion
with Lord Zarak - Purple/Cream Headmaster figure
with Fast Track - Grey/Orange six-wheeled car
Overkill - Grey cassette/tyrannosaurus rex
Slugfest - Green cassette/stegosaurus
Pounce - Green/Grey/Purple puma
Wingspan - Green/Grey/Purple hawk
Battletrap - Blue truck and Grey Apache helicopter
Flywheels - Red Stealth jet and Grey tank
Mindwipe - Brown/Purple/Grey bat
with Vorath - Grey/Orange Headmaster figure
Skullcruncher - Green/Purple/White alligator
with Grax - Green/Grey Headmaster figure
Weirdwolf - Yellow/White/Olive wolf
with Monzo - Grey Headmaster figure
Apeface - Black/Silver/Purple gorilla/futuristic jet
with Spasma - Purple/Silver Headmaster figure
Snapdragon - Grey/Silver/Purple dinosaur/futuristic jet
with Krunk - Orange/Silver Headmaster figure
Sixshot - White/Green futuristic jet/futuristic car/laser pistol/flying wolf/futuristic tank
Misfire - Red/Grey futuristic jet
with Aimless - Blue/Silver Targetmaster figure
Slugslinger - Blue/Grey futuristic jet
with Caliburst - Blue/Silver Targetmaster figure
Triggerhappy - Blue/White futuristic jet
with Blowpipe - Blue/Silver Targetmaster figure
Blot - Blue/Purple monster
Cutthroat - Orange/Green bird monster
Rippersnapper - Grey/Blue land-shark monster
Sinnertwin - Olive/Yellow two-headed dragon
Hun-Gurrr (Leader) - Grey/Purple two-headed dragon
Beastbox - Purple cassette/ape
Squawktalk - Green cassette/parrot
Cindersaur - Purple bird-dragon monster
Flamefeather - Blue bird-dragon monster
Sparkstalker - Pink bird-dragon monster
Fangry - Black/Purple winged werewolf
with Brisko - Headmaster figure
Horri-Bull - Blue/Grey buffalo
with Kreb - Headmaster figure
Squeezeplay - Purple/Blue crab monster
with Lokos - Headmaster figure
Nightflight - Grey F-14
Storm Cloud - Purple/Black Dassault Rafale
Tailwind - Blue A-10 Thunderbolt II
Whisper - Black stealth jet
Darkwing - Grey Panavia Tornado S.2 jet
with Throttle - Powermaster figure
Dreadwind - White F-16 jet
with Hi-Test - Powermaster figure
Doubledealer - Green/Purple eagle/missile launcher
with Knok - Powermaster figure (for robot mode)
with Skar - Powermaster figure (for robot mode)
Bomb-Burst - Blue futuristic jet (bat monster)
Bugly - Purple futuristic jet (insect monster)
Finback - Grey hovership (fish monster)
Iguanus - Blue hoverbike (iguana monster)
Skullgrin - Purple drill (bull monster)
Submarauder - Purple submarine (fish monster)
Carnivac - Purple wolf (timber wolf)
Snarler - Gold boar (boar)
Roadgrabber - Blue futuristic jet (car)
Nautilator - Green/Grey/Black lobster
Overbite - Green/Pink/Purple shark
Seawing - Green/Grey/Black manta
Skalor - Green/Pink/Purple coelacanth
Tentakil - Green/Pink/Purple/Black squid
Snaptrap (Leader) - Green/Pink/Purple/Black sea turtle
Needlenose - Grey Dassault Mirage 2000 jet
with Sunbeam - Purple Targetmaster figure
with Zigzag - Black Targetmaster figure
Quake - Red Leopard 2 tank
with Heater - Black Targetmaster figure
with Tiptop - Purple Targetmaster figure
Spinister - Blue/Purple Apache helicopter
with Hairsplitter - Purple Targetmaster figure
with Singe - Black Targetmaster figure
Crankcase - Dark Blue/white 4 x 4
Ruckus - White/Blue dune buggy
Windsweeper - Brown B-1B Lancer jet
Blackjack - Black Ford sports car
Detour - Yellow futuristic Indy car
Hyperdrive - Blue X2S
Road Hugger - Purple Ferrari
Skyhopper - Green Dassault Rafale
with helicopter - Brown/Purple helicopter/defense base
Skystalker - Orange Porsche 930 Turbo
with Space Shuttle - Grey/White/Blue Space Shuttle and jet pod/space command center
Airwave - Red/White F-14
with airport - White/Blue runway with hanger/missile silo
Greasepit - White/Yellow 4 x 4
with gas station - Blue/Yellow gas station/missile installation
Flattop - Purple/White jet
with aircraft carrier - Purple/White aircraft carrier/attack plane
Roughstuff - Green/Blue/White tractor truck
with missile carrier - Green/Blue missile carrier/attack jet
Bludgeon - Red/Green tank (Orange/Brown skeletal figure)
Octopunch - Orange crab (Purple/Yellow/Green octopus creature)
Stranglehold - Orange/Green rhino (Brown/Tan/Red human)
Birdbrain - Purple/Black monster (Orange/Black bird monster)
Bristleback - Gold/Green monster (Green/Yellow monster)
Icepick - Green/Red monster (Orange/Blue monster)
Scowl - Yellow/Purple monster (Yellow/Red monster)
Slog - Gold/Black monster (Blue/Grey monster)
Wildfly - Red/Yellow monster (Yellow/Purple monster)
Thunderwing - Grey/Blue futuristic jet (Blue/Grey/Purple/Gold futuristic jet)
Roadblock - Gold/Purple futuristic tank
with outer shell - Green/Grey futuristic tank
with inner shell - Gold/Purple/Black futuristic airship
Banzai-Tron - Green/Purple/Black robot
with Razor Sharp - Black/Purple crab
Krok - Black/Grey/White robot
with Gatoraider - Yellow/Black alligator
Treadshot - Black/Brown/Grey/Orange robot
with Catgut - Red/Black cougar
Axer - Blue/Grey/Violet robot
with Off-Road Cycle - Grey/Red off-road motorcycle/gun battery
Gutcruncher - Orange/Grey/Olive robot
with Stratotronic Cruiser - Blue jet/battlestation/tank
Bombshock - Green tank
Dropshot - Blue/Purple armored vehicle
Growl - Brown armored car
Tracer - Black helicopter
Barricade - Blue Indy car
Ground Hog - Purple car
Motorhead - Yellow sports car
Roller Force - Red Indy car
Direct-Hit/Power Punch - Blue artillery cannon
Fireshot/Vanquish - Black Stealth bomber
Meltdown/Half-Track - Purple car with battle trailer
Grit/Knockout - Purple/White digger
Sledge/Hammer - Orange super dump truck
Stonecruncher/Excavator - Yellow crane unit
Blackout/Spaceshot - Blue B-1 Bomber
with antiaircraft tank - Yellow/Green tank/base
with scout car - Green scout car
Terror-Tread/Cement-Head - Green super bull dozer
with battle trailer - Purple/Red battle trailer/battle pod
Overlord - Black/Blue/White/Purple SR-71 Blackbird and M1 Abrams main battle tank
with "Giga" - Blue/White Energon operator (for M1 Abrams tank)
with "Mega" - Blue/Black Energon operator (for SR-71 Blackbird)
Charger - Green/Grey/Orange robot
with Fire Beast - Green/Black monster
Take-Off - Grey/Black/Blue/Orange robot
with Screech - Blue/Green monster
Slicer - Blue/Orange/Grey robot
with assault vehicle - Blue/Purple battle vehicle/exo-suit
Double Punch - Black/Green/Violet scorpion
Turbomaster - Pink/Violet futuristic helicopter/plane

From Rob Jung's TF toy list.
*I've left out Pretenders, Actionmasters and Targetmasters of existing characters. I've left Galvatron and Goldbug in there though.

[edit]Ignoring Nebulans, Actionmaster partners and the like, I counted up a grand total of 202 Autobots and 162 Decepticons. So there are definitely more than 150 Transformers on each side.

*Looks at poll again*

jboyler, you're a muppet.

[Brendocon]

I counted up a grand total of 202 Autobots and 162 Decepticons.

Cool.

[jboyler]

<<jboyler, you're a muppet.>>

Well, if I already knew the answer I wouldn't bother asking, would I?

-J

[jboyler]

I'm sorry if I sounded rude, but this is a question that I really didn't know the answer to and I was shooting in the dark. I admit that I'm a Transformers newbie and I'm pleased with the response I've gotten.


<<It's like any other program of any other venue, we're seeing only the most important players or stars.>>

This is where my question was going. Are the Autobots and Decepticons that we've actually seen the only ones that exist or are there actually huge armies of these guys behind the scenes?


<<There are some places on Cybertron highly populated still, some abandoned. Remember, this is a Saturn sized planet. And that's not even going into sub-levels.>>

Saturn? I had always thought of it as being the size of a very small moon. Like the Death Star. (And Unicron smaller still)

-J

[Señior's Covenant]

<<There are some places on Cybertron highly populated still, some abandoned. Remember, this is a Saturn sized planet. And that's not even going into sub-levels.>>

Saturn? I had always thought of it as being the size of a very small moon. Like the Death Star. (And Unicron smaller still)

Well, in the comics, I believe it was the very first issue in fact, it's stated to be Saturn sized. It's practical as well. Honking asteroid/or/Planet originally, layers built upon throughout millions of years of TF civilizations, the fact there were billions of these robots before the start of the particular war involving Megs and Optimus...

[Kaylee]

Rob you play nice! Not everyone knows much about TF's so be good or I'll put you into the playpen by yourself! No need to call people names.

And Cybertron (in the first issue of the comic) is stated as being a 'saturn sized' world, and it is later established that 'Unicron' came from the same beginnings as Cybertron (both were metallic asteroids invaded by God-like beings- Primus for the forces of light who created the TFs and Unicron) so Uni would be about the same size.

[Cyclone_X]

This is where my question was going. Are the Autobots and Decepticons that we've actually seen the only ones that exist or are there actually huge armies of these guys behind the scenes?

there are many more behind the scenes, the original comics (mostly UK) showed many many non-toy transformers

so he amount of TFs would be millions, maybe billions, and not all Cybertronians are on Cybertron (Junkions for example)

[Señior's Covenant]

(Junkions for example)

Lithones for another... ...or is it Lithonians??

[Ozz]

Are the Autobots and Decepticons that we've actually seen the only ones that exist or are there actually huge armies of these guys behind the scenes?

But we do see huge armies. I mean, in comics we do.

Cybertron is Saturn-sized in comics, as opposed to cartoon where it looks smaller than Earth.

A cartoon fan, eh?

EDIT: Slow typer, me. Where is it stated that Junkions and Lithonians are from Cybertron?

[Señior's Covenant]

A cartoon fan, eh?

I used to be one of those.

[Kaylee]

EDIT: Slow typer, me. Where is it stated that Junkions and Lithonians are from Cybertron?

Well Lithonians I think were meant to be a separate race, but the Junkions were certainly identified as 'Autobots' by the cartoon, so I guess we can assume they are some ancient off-shoot of the Cybertronian bots (as theyre all basically good guys, all transform and have... beards... and moustaches... and stuff).

[Señior's Covenant]

...so I guess we can assume they are some ancient off-shoot of the Cybertronian bots...

Oops. That's about what I was trying to say.

[jboyler]

Cartoon fan? Yeah. A lot of this is me trying to piece together some vague memories from cartoons and comics I read ten years ago.

As for the size thing, I've seen the pics of Primus as an unfolded Cybertron. (Pretty cool, IMO) But Unicron is very clearly not the the same size as Cybertron. I remember the comics where he actually stood on the surface of Cybertron while the Transformers tried to fight him off. And while he is indeed a titan, he's not the same size.

-J

[Señior's Covenant]

As for the size thing, I've seen the pics of Primus as an unfolded Cybertron.

Keep in mind that's a preliminary drawing from the company Dreamwave and has no rightful place in the Marvel's run of the Transformers be it US, or UK.

[Kaylee]

Cartoon fan? Yeah. A lot of this is me trying to piece together some vague memories from cartoons and comics I read ten years ago.

As for the size thing, I've seen the pics of Primus as an unfolded Cybertron. (Pretty cool, IMO) But Unicron is very clearly not the the same size as Cybertron. I remember the comics where he actually stood on the surface of Cybertron while the Transformers tried to fight him off. And while he is indeed a titan, he's not the same size.

-J

in a flashback we see the two asteroids from which both are made and they are certainly comparable sizes.

Unicron may well shrink when he transforms to winged demon mode.

[Best First]

No need to call people names.

Ian.

[Kaylee]

No need to call people names.

Ian.

you Geoff, you!!

[Best First]

i alomst went with Geoff initially...

you Marmaduke.

[Metal Vendetta]

When I say muppet, I mean muppet in a nice way, Keith.

[Ozz]

You're all Pats.

[jboyler]

Let's just start making up new names to call people.

What a bunch of smurfing squiddlyfubs...

-J

[Best First]

You're all Pats.

whoah! Nelly.

[Señior's Covenant]

You're all Pats.

If you knew the Pat I knew, you'd also know that hurts.

[spiderfrommars]

Dick?

Ok, G1wise, in the first issue there were billions of TFs, and by the last one there were thousands (fitting aboard 6 starships).

In other words, war is a very bad thing.

[Brendocon]

In other words, war is a very bad thing.

Unless you're after an efficient way of remedying overpopulation, thus conserving resources for future biomorphically-reproduced generations?