Trek hard-return into Darkness [spoilers]

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue May 14, 2013 2:50 pm

*brrrrrrrng brnnnng goes the space-skype*

"Hi, this is alternate future Spock."
"Hi alternate future Spock, this is alternate past Spock."
"Oh, hello, your make-up looks terrible. And your face is fat."
"Yes, thank you. Anyway, in your travels I don't suppose you ever encountered a bloke called Khan did you?"
"Khan Noonien Singh? That bastard!"
"Wait, Singh? He doesn't look like a Singh to me. Definitely a white guy."
"Well you're obviously far more multicultural and accepting in the alternate past and don't worry about how people look. Hence why nobody's told you to lose some weight around the jowls."
"Thanks. I don't suppose you could tell me how you beat him could you?"
"Yeah, he was rubbish at Space Tactics. Really inexperienced."
"Hrm. So you're saying we should use his desire to get his people back as a way to blow up his ship. Interesting."
"Wait, what? That's nothing like what I said."
"Thanks alternate future me."
"Why am I even in this film?"

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue May 14, 2013 6:07 pm

"so you gave him an armed genesis device?"
"yeah, you could use those torpedoes he so highly prizes, like the Genesis device... "
" furry muff"

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue May 14, 2013 6:20 pm

Works.

Post by **Computron** » Sat May 18, 2013 6:33 am

I love and yet have major problems with this film.

Spoilers:

Pros:

Section 31. Glad that the impact of the first film had repercussions.

Benedict Cumberbatch.

Many great one liners.

Zachary Quinto.

Cons:

Why is Starfleet composed of just the Enterprise? There was not a single other starfleet vessel with a tractor beam nearby?

Earth still doesnt even have a single orbital battery, tractor beam or even sensor station? How have the Klingons not defeated the Federation yet? Who is running this fleet?

Characterization is kinda reduced to just one liners.

Hi I'm Carol Marcus. Well I'm half naked and now my leg is injured. Good bye.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat May 18, 2013 11:03 am

It's like they needed a villain completely awesome and couldn't think of anyone, so they decided on Khan.

But Benedict Cumberbatch is already completely awesome, so the Khan thing was just a distracting gimmick.

Most of the rest was fun though. I just wonder why they bothered establishing an alternate timeline in the last film if they're just going to retread old ground.

Post by **Computron** » Sun May 19, 2013 3:54 am

I agree. Throwing Khan in was a bit strange. As a villain "John Harrison" was doing quite well thank you. Really the first half of the movie is brilliant. Its the 2nd half that gets all wonky in my mind.

Edit: Though to be fair this movie is still miles ahead of many of the previous Star Trek films. I dont want to be ungrateful afterall.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun May 19, 2013 12:44 pm

Computron wrote:Though to be fair this movie is still miles ahead of many of the previous Star Trek films. I dont want to be ungrateful after all.

Hmmm... Trek films better than this one? II, III, IV, VI and, possibly, First Contact IMO.

But then I still maintain that Galaxy Quest is better than any Star Trek film.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun May 19, 2013 1:32 pm

Galaxy High is better than any Star Trek.

Post by **Computron** » Sun May 19, 2013 3:24 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:
Computron wrote:Though to be fair this movie is still miles ahead of many of the previous Star Trek films. I dont want to be ungrateful after all.

Hmmm... Trek films better than this one? II, III, IV, VI and, possibly, First Contact IMO.

But then I still maintain that Galaxy Quest is better than any Star Trek film.

I actually liked most of Generations so my opinion is probably suspect.

(I think Into Darkness is better than Generations just to be clear.)

Sunyavadin · Post by **Sunyavadin** » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:58 am

I need to find copies of Galaxy High sometime. I loved that.

Repost from my facebook, as I saw it earlier tonight:

So, time to sum up my impressions of that new "Star Trek" film.

Best, most concise description? "Not the worst film I've seen this year"

Admittedly, the film was doing its best in the face of being directed by Abrams, a man who couldn't direct someone to the opposite side of the street, but try as some aspects of it might, it never really overcame that crippling disability.
All the way through it felt like the creators of this film had carefully studied the Star Wars prequels in meticulous detail, and decided "Yes. What these do for Star Wars is EXACTLY what we want our film to do for Star Trek".
What scenes weren't badly paraphrased excerpts from the infinitely superior Wrath of Khan, seemed to be directly stolen from those films, too. From the running away and swimming down to a hidden underwater cit-um, starship, to the jumping around rocks surrounded by lava, to the assassination attempt in the futuristic city, to the leaping between hovercars chase, to the discovery of the secret weapons project by the "Good guy" boss who turns out to have been the evil mastermind all along.
Also - transwarp ******* transporters? I could accept the concept of beaming onto a ship travelling at warp. But this? WHY THE [composite word including 'f*ck'] DO THEY EVEN BOTHER WITH STARSHIPS THEN? You know who else had that kind of technology? THE ICONIANS. And we all know how THAT ended.
Also, was it just me, or had all the actors been overdosing on the ******* spice or what? [composite word including 'f*ck'] me, those luminous blue eyes they all had were disturbing. It's like they were about to burn a hole in the screen, not to mention my retinas.

Actors-wise, only Pegg really played to the role well. Karl Urban was clearly just phoning it in while praying for a Dredd sequel. Zachary Quinto seemed to convey more genuine emotion when trying to play an emotionless Spock than in the scenes where he went all Episode 3 Darth Vader "NOOOOOOO!!!!!" style. Benedict Cumberbatch was as usual on top form playing Benedict Cumberbatch in the role of Benedict Cumberbatch.

Not really bothered by this whole relationship between Spock and exponentially lighter skinned Uhura. Way too much time given to it. Speaking of relationships, I'm sure Alice Eve was very pretty as a younger version of Kirk's ex. Too bad we couldn't see her face half the time from the ******* LENS FLARE. The one good look I remember of her was of her in her underwear. Because we can't screw up a scene like that with lens flare, now can we?

All in all, the only really "Trek" feeling thing about it was the subtle undertones of "Beware the military industrial complex" and the general portrayal of a dystopian nightmare of an overly militarised starfleet gone wrong.

Also, it's spelt Qo'nos. Dumb ****s. And someone on the animation team was a lazy ************* with google image searches. Praxis shouldn't explode for a good couple of decades yet. They literally just lifted the models and textures for that system directly from Star Trek Online, a game set a couple of centuries later...

And do not even get me STARTED on those derpy ************* "Klingons".

I suppose it was better than Insurrection though.

Also that starfleet logo cut on his face was SO annoying. It always drew attention into odd corners of the screen. Really bad job, that. You want to draw the viewer's eye to the central things going on onscreen, NOT to some random corner of a face away from even the eyes and mouth.