X-Men: Days of Future Past

[bumblemusprime]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=42405

Now this is how you do a damn X-Men movie! Bring back Singer, McKellan, Stewart and Jackman, and base it off (imho) the third-greatest X-storyline of all time.

That's after Whedon's run and Dark Phoenix, my ranking is.

[Brendocon]

What about The Draco?

[inflatable dalek]

So by that logic, shouldn't the third film, with the same cast but based (likely as closely as the new one will resemble Days...) on the better Dark Phoenix story (with just a smidge of Wheedon as well) should have been totally awesome?

I had First Class for my birthday and so must get round to watching it. I do think the first three have aged pretty badly. The second is still the best but they have the look and feel of TV films now.

[Brendocon]

Ah yes, the Dark Phoenix saga. Where everybody thinks Jean is dead, but she's survived, only to go a bit psycho because she had this split personality that Chuck repressed and now she's going to kill everybody until Wolverine heroically saves the day.

That classic Claremont story that influenced a generation and was lifted wholesale for the third film.

Unless I'm misremembering.

You caught the bit where he mentioned Singer, right?

Dark Phoenix is a c-level plot device in the third film, which is more interested in shunting the major cast out of the way in order to focus on Wolverine and cameoing as many characters as possible.

And there's more X-Factor in the third film than there is Whedon.

[inflatable dalek]

Ah yes, the Dark Phoenix saga. Where everybody thinks Jean is dead, but she's survived, only to go a bit psycho because she had this split personality that Chuck repressed and now she's going to kill everybody until Wolverine heroically saves the day.

That classic Claremont story that influenced a generation and was lifted wholesale for the third film.

Unless I'm misremembering.

Where did I say it was a wholesale adaptation? It is based on that storyline though, almost certainly as much as the new film will bee on it's source of inspiration. If nothing else the dark future stuff being set around now rather than in our future will give it a different fell to the comic.

Always thought the streamlining of the Phoenix stuff made sense, introducing aliens at that point would have been a stretch (to the budget if nothing else).

[Brendocon]

Where did I say it was a wholesale adaptation?

Where did I say you did?

It is based on that storyline though

It really isn't. It has a subplot of "Jean goes super-powered psycho and then dies", but that's about it.

You may as well say that Sam Raimi's Spider-Man is based off The Night Gwen Stacey Died, being as there's a bit in it where the Green Goblin chucks Spidey's girlfriend off a bridge.

The Dark Knight Rises is based off Batman Year One because it's got Catwoman and Jim Gordon in it.

Revenge of the Fallen is based off The Dark Ages because it's got The Fallen in it and he eventually gets beaten by wacky Deus Ex Machina.

Other examples.

[inflatable dalek]

If you weren't suggesting I suggested that it was a pretty random way of opening the post.
Unless you were agreeing with me?


If the Jean as Phoenix thing isn't the main plot then what is? There's a couple of other strands; the cure (thrown in as a token attempt to carry on the themes of alienation from three first two) and... whatever Magneto was actually up to (which I'm hard pressed to remember now, building an army and taking them camping?) but the Phoenix thing gets the most focus, is the main thrust of the film's momentum and what Wolverine- the main lead- is most concerned with.

Whatever it's flaws, compared to Superman Returns it looks like the greatest action film ever made despite Singer clearly having a bigger budget on what he jumped ship for. Mind, I know that's damning with faint praise.

[Brendocon]

If you weren't suggesting I suggested that it was a pretty random way of opening the post.

It was the end of the second paragraph. It didn't open the post.

My completely inaccurate description of the Dark Phoenix saga, using the subplot of X3 as the basis, was the opening of the post.

Which led into the ironic "lifted wholesale" comment in order to illustrate that that's not what happened in the original comic at all.

The Cure (which is a notion that predates Whedon's run, even if the one Rogue was chasing in the cartoon was fictional) is the driving force of the film, as it's what prompts Magneto to put together his army and lead the assault that brings about the titular "last stand".

Phoenix is primarily a way of addressing the previous film's cliffhanger and getting James Marsden out of the way. Hence why Jean just stands about doing nothing until the plot needs her again. Which wouldn't be necessary if her storyline were the driving force of the plot (which was clearly the original intent, but ends up just drawing attention to the massive structural flaws in the film).

But basically your argument of "well X3 had all the stuff you just mentioned" is bollocks anyway, as it didn't have Singer. Which was a key component of Sprunk's opening post.

I can't be bothered explaining anything any further, as you're clearly too busy slagging off other films (why bring Superman Returns into it for any reason other than to trying and change the subject and obfuscate the matter?) to read anything I'm writing other than the bits you feel like deliberately misconstruing.

[inflatable dalek]

Which led into the ironic "lifted wholesale" comment in order to illustrate that that's not what happened in the original comic at all.

Which is fine, but no one suggested the film was an exact Xerox of the comic though did they?

The Cure (which is a notion that predates Whedon's run, even if the one Rogue was chasing in the cartoon was fictional) is the driving force of the film, as it's what prompts Magneto to put together his army and lead the assault that brings about the titular "last stand".

I can't comment on the origins of the cure plotline, but certainly at the time every bit of PR fluff for the film that talked about its origins firmly stated it was based on what Whedon did with it (again, "Based on" doesn't equate to a perfectly litteral transition of the whole plot). Perfectly happy to accept it they were wrong/ just BSing so they could shove a fanboy favourite name in there.

Phoenix is primarily a way of addressing the previous film's cliffhanger and getting James Marsden out of the way. Hence why Jean just stands about doing nothing until the plot needs her again. Which wouldn't be necessary if her storyline were the driving force of the plot (which was clearly the original intent, but ends up just drawing attention to the massive structural flaws in the film).

But the main character (and I think we're all at least agreed that the original trilogy had started off fairly Wolverine centric and become pretty much all about him guest staring some other people by this point) doesn't really give a rip about any of the Cure stuff. If that were the main plot he'd have been tempted with it as well, his entire drive is to save Jean and that's why it's the main plot.

The scenes of standing about in the woods looking pretty vacant are silly, but being a poorly handled in places main plot doesn't stop it being the main plot.

But basically your argument of "well X3 had all the stuff you just mentioned" is bollocks anyway, as it didn't have Singer. Which was a key component of Sprunk's opening post.

My opening post clearly doesn't include Singer as something X3 had, the (possibly weak, but at least signposted with a smiley) joke was it had just about everything he was looking forward to in the new one (and can trade the director for taking its inspiration from stories he likes more).

It would actually be interesting to know how much involvement Singer had in the development of the third film before he had to jump and how much of what he worked on stayed into the final film.

I can't be bothered explaining anything any further, as you're clearly too busy slagging off other films (why bring Superman Returns into it for any reason other than to trying and change the subject and obfuscate the matter?) to read anything I'm writing other than the bits you feel like deliberately misconstruing.

Superman Returns is an obvious thing to bring up in comparison considering it's the film Singer made instead of the third X-Men. There's a general assumption that X3 would have automatically better with Singer directing even though the superhero film he was making at the same time is, if anything, even more hated.

[Best First]

This arguement is important and must continue.

[Brendocon]

Future generations must know!

... that I was down the pub while he was wasting time typing whatever the response was. Probably diverting the topic to the shitness of Blade Trinity or something.

[inflatable dalek]

You can try too hard at the being a dick thing at times.

[KingMob]

I don't even know what you guys are arguing about because the smell of intellectual dickcheese put me off reading the quotewalls, but because I despise X-Men 3 so much I wanted to post itt.

So whichever one of you dislikes X-Men 3 the most, I think you're the coolest.

[Best First]

I scientfically refute this by not minding x-men 3 and being way cooler than either of them.

[bumblemusprime]

Added because I'm mature:

[bumblemusprime]

Yes! Killed another thread!

[snarl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf3bmQh8_dM

[Impactor returns 2.0]

Yeah i actually liked xmen 3. The sound track is brilliant....

[bumblemusprime]

In an alternate universe they got Whedon to direct it.