Slight Oddness

Post by **Best First** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:11 pm

Ok, i think its good, as per, that IDW are being decent with the fans, with regard to not getting some great feedback on the BW source book:

http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=2512

but has anyone seen anything anywhere that really warrants this? The worst i have seen is essentially "meh", wich i know is not good, but given that was also the recation to Sixshot and a few other issues... seems odd to respond.

Surely Megs: Orgin's quality is more worthy of addressing?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:21 pm

Hrm. Without reading it fully... I think ******* up a reference book is a bigger deal than some of the fiction being sub-par.

The "presented as fact" approach of a ref book means it should be proofed in and out painstakingly. Otherwise you get people doing stuff like quoting the Ultimate Guide as gospel when it's littered with inconsistencies. Or something similar. A continuity error in the fiction can sort of be argued away as a blatant mistake... stuff in a ref book carries more cache in certain instances. Especially when it's all we've got to go on for some characters.

You can point at an art error / out-of-character behaviour in the fiction and dismiss it by, y'know, pointing at the weight of evidence from other stuff. But a sourcebook, well... in most instances it should function as the weight of evidence. I can dismiss people holding up Origin as proof of anything by saying "yeah, but it's crap." People put more stock in reference books.

Not that the Sourcebook was ****** up. Just a few colouring quirks, wasn't it? It's not like they missed out a character or entries got switched.

Though there was also some art that was mis-attributed, wasn't there?

... I've written far too much for what's essentially "eh... a bit defensive, but marks for making the point of addressing it."

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:17 pm

I also thought it was strange. I think he had a couple of angry emails about it though, and maybe it touched a nerve. The fact that the book has been selayed for a year also lends weight to the "they should have got it sorted by now" argument, I suppose.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:59 pm

yeah, late AND botchd is worse i suppose.

Although not as bad as the "Everything IFW does is amazing" posts.

I am a massive fan of what IDW have done with the franchise but sometimes the site is so effusive....

it makes constructive criticism feel a bit unwelcome.

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:01 am

Best First wrote:Surely Megs: Orgin's quality is more worthy of addressing?

Should be, but it seems to me that most people on other boards absolutley love it. They talk about how it got them back into comics, etc. Of course this may be because a large portion of the fanbase is now noobs who don't realize the story was told better in War Within and/or low standards for TF stories all around(I've heard several people lately say they love Dreamwave, most likely for it's fanwank, and that Transformers shouldn't have an intellegent story).

Basically, Origins is of lesser concern as most people love it. The guidebook, however, is disliked on a larger scale. In this case, quality isn't the issue, it's how many people liked it.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:25 pm

To be fair, didn't Eric Holmes stand up and try to answer some of the criticism around Origins?

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:41 pm

yeah, but that's not the same as IDW taking responsibility for the quality of their output in my eyes.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:48 pm

I liked the Ultimate guide

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:05 pm

Best First wrote:yeah, but that's not the same as IDW taking responsibility for the quality of their output in my eyes.

I get what you're saying.

Buuut... the main problems with Megs lies with the writer (who has stood up, albeit stubbornly) and the artists (who haven't - would be nice if they had).

There are multiple probs with the Sourcebook. Short of each individual person involved coming forward, I'd guess Ryall has stood up on everybody's behalf.

Be nice if Ryall apoligised for the quality of the Megs story, sure. But at the end of the day, he passed it so is unlikely to hold his hands up and say "yeah, was rubbish" (be nice if he did it for Hearts of Steel, too). The Sourcebook - factual muck-ups and printing delays and it being a year late and still wrong... that's an administrative disaster, rather than just employing a naff writer and a sack full of colouring badgers.

Well... that's an administrative disaster, too... but is more down to employment policy.

Be nice if Milne and the colourists copped to making Megatron's crap plot even more decipherable. I'd prefer that, tbh. Ryall likely doesn't see the need to comment, being as Holmes has already done so. I'd read more into whether or not Ryall has got his back... not defending somebody speaks as much as not criticising them.

They can argue the quality of Megs is subjective. They can't say the same of BB's colouration, art being attributed to the wrong people and a massive publication delay.

Meh. Not bothered at the end of the day. It's not like IDW are the first company to produce a crap mini. And at least it's only four issues.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:58 pm

Should I get this?

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:46 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:Should I get this?

If you've not bought #1, I'd wait for the trade.

veritech · Post by **veritech** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:30 am

Even though I have been reading TF comics since the US series made its debut in '84, I must admit that I am somewhat of a novice when it comes to the Beastwars. Yes, I enjoyed the tv series, but didn't buy the figures. I have not been exposed to ANY of the Japanese series.

That being said, I picked up the Sourcebook and thought it was pretty cool. The price tag was a bit salty, to say the least!

Can someone explain the difference between Lio Convoy and Big Convoy? Are they all versions of Optimus Prime? And how are they related to Optimus Primal?

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:56 am

veritech wrote: Can someone explain the difference between Lio Convoy and Big Convoy? Are they all versions of Optimus Prime? And how are they related to Optimus Primal?

Lio Convoy: Commander in Beast Wars 2
Big Convoy: Commander in Beast Wars Neo

In BW japan exists a ruling Maximal Council who call the shots to the Convoys (and the entire planet):

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Maximal_Elder

Primal would be another Convoy -like he was seen in BW2 Lio Convoy Crisis.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:46 pm

The Last Autobot wrote:Primal would be another Convoy -like he was seen in BW2 Lio Convoy Crisis.

Would that also be called Beast Wars II The Movie, by any chance? Or is that a separate appearance of Primal in BW2?

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:05 pm

The Last Autobot wrote:
veritech wrote: Can someone explain the difference between Lio Convoy and Big Convoy? Are they all versions of Optimus Prime? And how are they related to Optimus Primal?
Lio Convoy: Commander in Beast Wars 2
Big Convoy: Commander in Beast Wars Neo

In BW japan exists a ruling Maximal Council who call the shots to the Convoys (and the entire planet):

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Maximal_Elder

Primal would be another Convoy -like he was seen in BW2 Lio Convoy Crisis.

Isn't Primal supposed to be the Convoy in Japanese BW(up until The Agenda)?

TransFans.co.uk

Slight Oddness

Re: Slight Oddness