itunes + quicktime

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:14 pm

DO u want to install 1 item, itunes + quicktime, these updates will help blah blah blah etc...

No, I only want to update quicktime, I dont want to install bloody iTunes (not sure why to be honest, ive got a zillion GB of space and more RAM than a mountain goat but hey) I just want to update quicktime.

I know MS is guilty of similar acts but Apple, your supposed to be the good guys, why must u force your software upon me!

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:17 pm

I hate itunes because of that ****.
"Oh hey. I need to install Quicktime. No biggie... wait, what's this? ITunes is now installed my computer? What? I didn't ask for that!"

I'll never ever use Itunes because of this. It's worse than spam!

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:26 pm

Now i get it the other way,

I want to install iTunes and hey, what's this, Quicktime has been installed and consuming resources by running in the background in my system tray...

...feck off.

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:44 pm

Quicktime comes with iTunes because iTunes needs half the quicktime libraries to run

it's basically a pretty shop frontend to the same program.

Bundling iTunes with Quicktime however has annoyed me for ages also. Apple seems to have learnt from Real on that on- for about a year Real made it almost impossible to find the free player on their page! You had to download the normal version with all its crapware.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:45 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:Real

Ughh... just reading that makes me feel tainted.

I hate Real Player...

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:54 pm

Real player is indeed f-ing nasty.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:01 pm

I found a plugin that lets me play .rm files through windows media player.

I wont install real player anymore, it used to a bastion of multi-format playing goodness but now, u have to sign up, download and install a trillion plugins for other various things whilst filling out lots of questionairs about some crap raido station they keep wanting me to listen to. no thanks real.

a year ago perhaps i would never have said this but the same gos for firefox, that application is becoming increasingly memory hungry, and wants to install banners and adverts etc.. i dont want.

gah! IE7 is faster uses less memory and so now ive stopped using any other browser (ok i have FF installed) due to its intergration.

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:20 pm

Firefox has ads in it??

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:12 pm

IE7 is far bulkier than FF... IE has that whole Windows thing that comes with it that you can't uninstall...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:14 pm

Ive just been checking, i had an XP64 version installed that had some adds but Firefox 2 doesnt.

Still, FF seems to take up more memory but I guess its user interface can be changed.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:16 pm

Legion wrote:IE7 is far bulkier than FF... IE has that whole Windows thing that comes with it that you can't uninstall...

Im going to test that theory right now! - to the test lab!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:23 pm

Ok, i take it back FF2 is faster, uses about a third of IE, and seems to render complex flash pages faster. bye bye IE7.

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:48 pm

It's also standards compliant. Programming a site which works in everything else AND IE is a constant pain for me

rusty_herring · Post by **rusty_herring** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:00 pm

I guess cause it's Microsoft they set the standards and everyone has to be compatible with them?

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:05 pm

rusty_herring wrote:I guess cause it's Microsoft they set the standards and everyone has to be compatible with them?

It's not even that, it's a legacy of antiquated products like Microsoft Frontpage. Frontpage never produced web-standardised code as set out by the Worldwide Web Consortium (W3C) and Internet Explorer fell into line with that, as it advanced through its versions it came more and more to support the shabby code Microsoft's tools generated rather than the published guidelines for code.

IE7 is much much better (IE6 is a ******* nightmare) but still there is a long way to go. Why Microsoft make such a big deal about how hard it is to make the browser compliant I can't guess. All I know is invariably whenever I program for the web using CGI/Javascript it will always work in Firefox and Opera, sometimes in Safari and never in IE without a lot of tweaking.

The browser which tbh surprised me the most was Safari- it's meant to be compliant but is almost as buggy and annoying as IE to write for. It's compliant to a point... it also just really easily breaks due to little caveattes particularly in how it works with Javascript.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:20 pm

On a completely different note, MS office 2007 is bloody good!

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:42 pm

no, no it's not...

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:43 pm

I think it quite swish

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:52 pm

I think its pretty amazing, the layout is lightyears ahead of anything else, its got some brillant formating tools now, lots of pre-set styles for things in word and excel etc..
Actually, apart from open office which is so bad I had to go out at 3am to a mates for a copy of office to complete an essay, what competition does it have?

Seriously, I think the whole suite, bar front page is really really good.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:56 pm

it was just those pre-set styles and **** that made me uninstall it after a couple of days and go back to the old version...

OpenOffice is ok, in a kind of 'Tesco Value' kind of way... but it is perfectly usable.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:11 pm

I didnt like the new layout at first but it makes much more sense, and I like the way u can roll over a style to see it, I have a feeling it requires a decent computer for it to run as smooth as it does on mine.

I found OO didnt show up certain gramtical errors, or had bad spell checking in places, its formating tools, especially its table tools are so bad, seriously try linking cells together in a table, then adjusting them, argh!!!!!!!!!

The styles are tacky in office granted but for my mum, inserting a picture, adding a drop mirror shadow, ala apple, is just a click, and in publisher i was quite amazed that it could do word wrapping, somthing that only decent DTp apps could nromally do. that said word and publisher have the worst .pdf outputs I have seen, for someone when u save as a .pdf, it doesnt give u the basic options for print marks and compression etc? which makes it all pretty pointless.

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:47 pm

OO.org is great considering how much it costs

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:54 pm

the new layout wasn't a problem for me, neither was it's performance (it ran just fine on both my XP and Vista installations), it was just it seems to be aimed at newbs and the computer illiterate. Which is fine for newbs but other users are stuck with the same crap tools...
I didn't like it and until i'm forced to upgrade (by circumstances) I'll stick to the older version.

Just my opinion of course.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:40 pm

I dl-ed Quicktime recently.

You could chose not to install Itunes... so I didn't install Itunes. Only Quicktime.

But then.. oddly enough, when it wants to update, it wants to install not only the quicktime update, but also Itunes...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:07 pm

Im not sure about the crap tools - yes frontpage is rubbish, and access isnt going to run to many server DB but Word and excel, plus things like powerpoint and Viso are nice applications, they are full of options and in the instance of say, word, they work very well, I found OO's spell and grammer checker inferior.

saying all of this, I didnt pay for Office 07 (shock horror!) so I guess I compare everything on the basis of not costing me a cent, would i pay for it? hmm probably not id put up with OO instead.

does anyone remember claris works on the mac?

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:10 pm

I just uninstalled itunes and I swear the computer is running faster. I never thought such a minor program could slow up the comp so much.

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:48 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote: Viso are nice applications

Visio is absolutely ace

Used to use that all the time on my degree for programming, designing classes and interaction diagrams. Good move on Microsoft buying it up.

iWorks on the Mac is pretty sweet too

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:16 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I found a plugin that lets me play .rm files through windows media player.

Real Alternative (and its associate Quicktime Alternative) by any chance?

Not only do I use these two, I have also found out how to get them working through WinAMP (or whatever other music player app I would care to use).

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:34 pm

Rebis wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I found a plugin that lets me play .rm files through windows media player.
Real Alternative (and its associate Quicktime Alternative) by any chance?

Not only do I use these two, I have also found out how to get them working through WinAMP (or whatever other music player app I would care to use).

yup, those are what i use! and i ain't ever going back!

Mirrormere · Post by **Mirrormere** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:56 pm

But isn't FF open source? Are you not more vulnerable to malicious code using FF?