13 Ortheiginal Cybertronians

mikebot · Post by **mikebot** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:20 pm

Just wanted to explore this a little more. We know that the Fallen is one of the original as is Prima. Here is my list on some of the others.

Alpha Trion

Leige Maximo

Las Autobot

Omega Supreme I think his origin is more complex than a simple Guardian Robot.

The owner of the Cybertonian Bar I cant think of the name right now

The first Quintesson

What do you guys think?

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:23 pm

mikebot wrote: The owner of the Cybertonian Bar I cant think of the name right now

Maccadam

The first Quintesson

Ummm.... since when are those 5-faced eggs Cybertronians?

Maybe Xaaron too? He's old...

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:22 am

Alpha Trion and The Last Autobot are the same character, or so I've been told. I doubt that Omega Supreme is one of the first TFs as he was just one of many hundreds of guardians, but with a little more known personality due to the fact that he was betrayed by friends and partially reprogrammed by Megatron. Quintessons aren't TFs. I don't know much about the Bar owner, but other than those I've stated, your list is correct.

I wonder if we'll ever know who the others are...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:27 am

This is Dreamwave continuity of course.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:04 pm

It's in TF:Universe and ( sort of..) Botcon's Reaching the Omega Point, by Furman and Senior too.

As far as I can tell, these are the only ones we know of:

Prima

Leige Maximo

The Fallen

Maccadam

Vector Prime

Alpha Trion ( I'm not actually so sure about this one..?)

Post by **Best First** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:45 pm

Hot Shot wrote:Alpha Trion and The Last Autobot are the same character, or so I've been told.

you have been told wrong.

Alpha Trion is a charachter who has appeared in the cartoon, DW and Universe continuities.

The Last Autobot is from the original marvel run, where Trion was never referenced.

Personally i'd nbe just as happy if niether of these guys turn up in the new continuity, i'm happy they are staying away from any race origin stuff at the moment.

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:19 pm

Best First wrote:
Hot Shot wrote:Alpha Trion and The Last Autobot are the same character, or so I've been told.
you have been told wrong.

Alpha Trion is a charachter who has appeared in the cartoon, DW and Universe continuities.

The Last Autobot is from the original marvel run, where Trion was never referenced.

Personally i'd nbe just as happy if niether of these guys turn up in the new continuity, i'm happy they are staying away from any race origin stuff at the moment.

Whoops! I ment to say Vector Prime. I must be getting tired.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:39 pm

Yeah, still not the same character.

Vector Prime may be the Cybertron equivalent of The Last Autobot, and certainly takes some design cues, but saying they're the same character is like saying that BW Scorponok and Gen One Scorponok are the same character.

As for who the original 13 Transformers were... I don't really care. The only continuity where it was even vaguely relevant has died a death and I sincerely doubt they ever sat down and worked it out prior to mentioning it. It always came across as vague and generic "ooh portentious" in lieu of actual backstory.

In other words, very Dreamwave.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:41 pm

Thats was one of the problems with 'The Ultimate Guide'. It treated Dreamwave as the definitive continuity. With an ultra crap Unicron/Primus origin to boot.

rusty_herring · Post by **rusty_herring** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:48 pm

Thats was one of the problems with 'The Ultimate Guide'. It treated Dreamwave as the definitive continuity. With an ultra crap Unicron/Primus origin to boot.

Yeah I have that and I was flipping through it. But besides Dreamwave did anyone else handle Prima or the original 13 at all or is that strictly Dreamwave stuff? (Now I can't remember either)

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:50 pm

The original 13 was solely a DW thing.

"Look - it's The Fallen!"
"Wow. And?"
"Uhm... look - it's The Fallen!"
"Oh, alright then. Really? Who's he then?"
"He's one of the 13 original Transformers! Isn't that exciting?"
"Okay. Fair enough. What does that mean?"
"Uhm... he's one of the 13 original Transformers!"
"And?"
"He was created by Primus!"
"Okay. Who were the other twelve? Where are they now? What happened? Where has he been?"
"Look - he's got flames coming out of him!"

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:04 pm

rusty_herring wrote:Yeah I have that and I was flipping through it. But besides Dreamwave did anyone else handle Prima or the original 13 at all or is that strictly Dreamwave stuff? (Now I can't remember either)

Well, I guessed you... "missed" my last post, so I might as well give my take on it once more...

It's in TF:Universe and ( sort of..) Botcon's Reaching the Omega Point, by Furman and Senior too.

It's also been stated for a long time, that apparently Prima wasn't alone when he rose from the metallic dust of Cybertron. There was also Liege Maximo. And if there was him, then why not others? All with specific tasks, all a title similar to Prime?

In the reaching the Omega Point, the original TF's aren't 13 however, they are 12. ( could be that #13 was supposed to be Prima..) But when shove comes to push, it would atleast to me, appear as if this concept is actually created by the bald and furry one. I think it has some merit, and seeing the way it was used in the Transformers Cyberton comic, long after Dreamwave was waporized, I think it can be used nearly independent of any of the continuities.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:07 pm

Its like the 12 Disciples, plus jesus or somthing...

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:10 pm

That always annoyed me about the ultimate guide, Furman was quite revisionist and contradicted a lot of the stuff from the Marvel run.

Plus the revelation that Arcee can travel at 'sub light speeds'.

Wow. So can a milk float. So can snails. Hardly the sort of thing you'd write on a sticker and post in the front windscreen as a selling point, is it?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:25 pm

hehe, i guess its supposed to mean they can travel as close to the speed of light as possible - which would be pretty fast.
But I know how it reads

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:30 pm

hee hee

yar, shame about the mythos in it. Sort of a bastardised version of the Marvel origin but made Dreamwave-cool

rusty_herring · Post by **rusty_herring** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:20 pm

Plus the revelation that Arcee can travel at 'sub light speeds'.

I can travel at sub light speeds too. Very very sub.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:34 pm

Predabot wrote:I think it has some merit, and seeing the way it was used in the Transformers Cyberton comic, long after Dreamwave was waporized, I think it can be used nearly independent of any of the continuities.

you seem to be overlooking the fact that that comic was, to use the scientific term, a total bag of sh1t.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:54 pm

... there was a Cybertron comic?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:09 pm

Brendocon wrote:... there was a Cybertron comic?

I think that particular pairing of interrogator and interrogatory validates how sh1t it must have been.

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:44 am

Brendocon wrote:... there was a Cybertron comic?

I think it was a Collector's Club exclusive. I saw a compilation and the local comic shop a few months ago. It was ment to fill in the gaps between the Energon and Cybertron storylines, but utterly failed.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:21 am

IDW published it, but it was originally a convention comic, so its more of the TF Universe stuff essentially i.e lots of bad excuses for repaints to fight and pretend to matter with really bad referencing of previous continuities.

woo-hoo.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:17 pm

Well, I liked it.

Since it made Vector Prime extra cool...

Post by **Best First** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:30 pm

says it all really.

Skullgrin140 · Post by **Skullgrin140** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:00 am

Argh! I've been tearing my brains out just trying to figure out who the original 13 are.

I know its as follows

Alpha Trion

Vector Prime

The Fallen

Maccadam

but I cant figure out who the others are. Any help people?

rusty_herring · Post by **rusty_herring** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:15 am

Yeah, Alpha Trion in the original cartoons claims he is a first generation transformer right?
I always found that character really interesting. You never see him transform and he mysteriously 'ages'. Of course he can create other robots, I'm sure he could easily 'age' himself. That girlbot Beta that was with him in the season 3 episode, would she be considered 'first generation' too? Hmmmm

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:08 am

Who the [composite word including 'f*ck'] is Maccadam? A chocolate-covered souvenir Transformer from Hawaii?

Post by **Best First** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:02 am

Maccadam's Oil House is basically a cybertronian pub, first shown as a meeting place for the Wreckers in T2006. It then appeared again in a one off b & w story featuring quickswitch, dreadwind, darkwing and the Meccanibles (i think it was called Out to Lunch?)

Furman seemed to include Maccadam as a bit of an in joke as one of the original 13, and the artist of that piece of the Ultimate Guide implied that the barman we saw in the Meccanibles tale was actually Maccadam.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:35 am

not to be confused with the barman Deaths-Head runs into for information in 'Galvatron: wanted, dead or alive'

In the ultimate TF guide, macadam is featured there but not described as one of the 13., perhaps its an oversight on furmans behalf as he does go on to mention the 13 later.

Post by **Kaylee** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:10 am

Best First wrote:Maccadam's Oil House is basically a cybertronian pub, first shown as a meeting place for the Wreckers in T2006. It then appeared again in a one off b & w story featuring quickswitch, dreadwind, darkwing and the Meccanibles (i think it was called Out to Lunch?)

Furman seemed to include Maccadam as a bit of an in joke as one of the original 13, and the artist of that piece of the Ultimate Guide implied that the barman we saw in the Meccanibles tale was actually Maccadam.

Maccaddam's Oil House is also suspected of existing out of space/time

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