Nintendo at E3.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:01 am

Wii Fit?
******* Wii Fit?

Check this **** out
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2007/ ... een003.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2007/ ... een004.jpg

******* hulahoops?

And Mario Kart where "YOU CAN COMPETE IN REAL-TIME AGAINST OTHER PLAYERS WHO ARE ON THE INTERNET".
Wow. That's truly a revolution - and not something you totally expected considering Mario Kart DS was online.

Oh, Wii.

I'm thinking about buying The Godfather for Wii - or wait for Manhunt 2.
But if those suck I don't know what I'll do.
All I want is a game that's not filled with mini games, or is a port with tacked on ****** controller.

Post by **Kaylee** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:19 am

Ninty seem to be having trouble coming up with something new for it (which I suspected would be an issue eventually), although in a way I think minigames/10-15 minute bursts of silliness is pretty much what the console is designed for.

I did read an interesting article tho that put the Wii's success into perspective, it did point out that the control mechanism for it will be horribly outdated in 18 months-2 years time. Whilst its definitely outselling its competitors due to being a much cheaper and novel console, it's shelf life is going to be much much shorter- the 360 and PS3 are going to be around for at least 7 years as popular systems (the same way PS2 (2000) and Xbox (2001) are still around and being programmed for now, indeed PS2 is still outselling everything else AFAIK).

Essentially, when the technology gets exponentially better and the Wii controller could really start acting like a proper sword and sensing position and motion (rather than translating flicks and jerks into button presses), expect to have to replace the console with something with the power to do the job.

Have you got Cooking Mamma yet? That looks like all kinda of stupid fun with a few mates and some drinks

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:17 pm

Did someone mention swords? And lasers?

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160666

Also, did you see that Mario Cart is apparently going to be packed with an uh.. wee steering-wheel? I'm not sure, but I don't think there's ever been an official wheel-controller for a ninty-game before??

And are we looking at the same Ninty at E3?

Why haven't you posted anything from Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime 3, Resident Evil: Umbrella chronicles, Super Smash Bros, NiGHTS Journey into Dreams, Dragonquest: Swords, and apparently that there Guitar Hero is finally(?) coming to the Wii...

Me personally tho? Except for some of the above, I'm kind of intrigued by this here Rygar game that's under development. Could be interesting, since it's a third-person action-game that's created specifically for the Wii, and the only thing aking to this that we've seen so far is Zelda.

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/905/9052 ... 38722.html

Off-topic
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As a final note, I must say that I'm surprised by the longevity of the PSP, it's really lasted far longer than I ever expected. Since it does suffer a wee bit of the N-gage syndrome, methinks. But how are they going to fare in the hand-held area when Microsoft is now preparing to launch their handheld X-box? It will be bloody.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:50 pm

Predabot wrote: And are we looking at the same Ninty at E3? Why haven't you posted anything from Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime 3, Resident Evil: Umbrella chronicles, Super Smash Bros, NiGHTS Journey into Dreams, Dragonquest: Swords, and apparently that there Guitar Hero is finally(?) coming to the Wii...

Paper Mario is already released in the USA (and it was originally developed for the Gamecube).
Nintendo said that Metroid Prime was supposed to be a launch title - it's a year late (at least).
Resident Evil: UC is a shooter on rails. It doesn't excite me at all.
Super Smash Bros. Brawl is nothing that makes me tingle - I'm not into the whole fighter-game-thingy

NiGHTS, this could be fun. But I don't know. I haven't played the Dreamcast game.
Dragon quest: Swords I have no idea what this is.
Guitar Hero is already out for like seven other systems. Who gives a ****?

And I believe that we all knew that Paper Mario, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil UC, Super Smash Bros. and NiGHTS were coming out for the Wii long before E3 started.
Sure, we got release dates, and some new screenshots - but Nintendos "big bang" was Wii Fit. Which is pure crap.

And I, personally, would want something new. Paper Mario, Metroid, Resident Evil, Super Smash Bros., NiGHTS, Dragon Quest, Guitar Hero and Mario Kart are all existing franchises (or whatever it's called).
There's nothing wrong with that - but it'd be cool to see at least one new original idea

EDIT: And in what way will these games "change the way we play"? Will they use the Wii contols in a cool way - or will it be tacked on "shake the chuck to make the character flip around even though it makes no sense" things?

Karl Lynch wrote: Have you got Cooking Mamma yet? That looks like all kinda of stupid fun with a few mates and some drinks

I haven't actually

Problem is: I only have one remote and one chuck

Interesting read though, about the Wiis shelf life and all that

Sorry if I'm sounding pissy about all this.
I just expected a bit more. But maybe The Godfather or Manhunt 2 will turn me around. Or Mario Galaxy.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:26 pm

Obfleur wrote: Interesting read though, about the Wiis shelf life and all that

Sorry if I'm sounding pissy about all this.
I just expected a bit more. But maybe The Godfather or Manhunt 2 will turn me around. Or Mario Galaxy.

Ah, so all that Wii optimism in the Wii thread against Impy has been whittled down to "I expected more, eh?". Troubling indeed.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:36 pm

EDIT: A misunderstanding has occured

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:25 pm

No offesne to you, Ob.

I was just saying that to ME, it's troubling because now I have two mates whose opinions I respect and value saying "meh" to the Wii, which makes me less likely to buy.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:28 pm

Shanti418 wrote:No offesne to you, Ob.

I was just saying that to ME, it's troubling because now I have two mates whose opinions I respect and value saying "meh" to the Wii, which makes me less likely to buy.

Oh, sorry dude!

I totally misunderstood you.

Cheers mate

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:04 pm

lets be be clear hear, ill sum up Wii at E3

Mario Galaxy
Metroid

thats all, dont kid yourselfs.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:20 am

Shanti418 wrote:No offesne to you, Ob.

I was just saying that to ME, it's troubling because now I have two mates whose opinions I respect and value saying "meh" to the Wii, which makes me less likely to buy.

Well, I personally think that the Wii is great for multiplaying.
Wii Sports is fun if you are playing with your friends.
Rayman Raving Rabbids has some awesome and hysterical games that are great if you are a couple of mates.
And Warioware Smooth Moves is really popular on another board I visit.
And as Karl said: Cooking Mama

But when it comes to single player games, yeah...

I didn't really like Zelda Wind Waker, so I wont be buying Twilight Princess.
But as I said, I am gonna buy The Godfather or Manhunt 2. The Godfather has gotten some decent reviews (and I've heard some good stuff about the control scheme) - so I think I'll be getting that next pay day, since Manhunt isn't coming out until late august.
I'll give my thoughts on them when I buy them

Post by **Kaylee** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:40 am

Predabot wrote:-------------
As a final note, I must say that I'm surprised by the longevity of the PSP, it's really lasted far longer than I ever expected. Since it does suffer a wee bit of the N-gage syndrome, methinks. But how are they going to fare in the hand-held area when Microsoft is now preparing to launch their handheld X-box? It will be bloody.

The sad thing is that the PSP (imo) is a bloody brilliant little system, just nobody wants to make good games for it. There are less than 5 titles worth owning imo, and two of those are LocoRoco and Lumines. If Sony stopped slapping developers in the face with their ridiculous charges for developing games then we could have a slew of games for it by now- its possibilities are huge thanks to its big vibrant screen, large memory and powerful graphics processor.

Things are looking up for it since Sony said PS1 titles will be available through PSN on the Playstation 3 to download to the handheld- plus some developers are talking of making games cross-platform so you can play before work on your PS3, that gets synched with your PSP which you play on the bus then when you get home its synchs back and you pik up where you left off on the PS3.

It's got some awesome potential if its corporation could get out of their own sphincters for five minutes.

Unless Sony, as with PS3, are playing a long game whereby they know the competition will come and go over the next 5-10 years but if they started with a high spec system it wont need replacing for at least 5 years and in that time the technology will become cheaper and people will buy many games for one console.

In any case, at the moment PSP is wasted- although the new slimline one looks good- you can connect it to a TV to play games or watch movies (finally a ******* use for UMD movies! Although I still say bringing out a burner so you can make copies of movies you already own on DVD and watch them on your PSP would make much much more sense). Be nice if they made an adapter for the existing one that did the same thing. Ho hum.

EDIT- and on a note about the PS3:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6896261.stm

FFS. Can you tell this little bit of the world is way down their list of priorities? Huh? Can you? Grr. Second rate machine more expensive to begin with and now with a price drop everywhere else it just got EVEN more expensive by comparison. Bloody hell.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:40 pm

Obfleur wrote:But when it comes to single player games, yeah... I didn't really like Zelda Wind Waker, so I wont be buying Twilight Princess.
But as I said, I am gonna buy The Godfather or Manhunt 2. The Godfather has gotten some decent reviews (and I've heard some good stuff about the control scheme) - so I think I'll be getting that next pay day, since Manhunt isn't coming out until late august.
I'll give my thoughts on them when I buy them

Well, too bad you didn't like Wind Waker, but I sort of understand it, since the main flaw was the fact that the sailing is just too darn slow for many people. I thought it had some brilliant little ideas tho. Alas, I did indeed prefer the 64-games in comparison too..

But twilight Princess on the other hand..!

So far, what I've seen and heard have convinced me it's a solid buy, and most peeps on message-boards that I've spoken too seems to feel it's a better game than Wind Waker. And well, the scores on the review-sites speak for themselves.

Karl Lynch wrote: EDIT- and on a note about the PS3:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6896261.stm

FFS. Can you tell this little bit of the world is way down their list of priorities? Huh? Can you? Grr. Second rate machine more expensive to begin with and now with a price drop everywhere else it just got EVEN more expensive by comparison. Bloody hell.

....No? For real? No price-cut in europe? I thought the price-cut was kind of working in the us.. so uh...?

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:56 pm

I dunno, I just don't see the PSP ever catching fire here in the states, although it clearly pwns the DS in terms of hardware, media options, and potential.

It's quite reminiscent of the Game Boy/Game Gear era, where smaller and cheaper plus better games won out.

Parents want to buy their kids the cheaper, less expensive looking and breakable one.
The main demographic other than kids IMO who play handheld are "gamers", ie people who own at least one console, and these people are reasonably informed enough to go where the games are.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:33 am

the PSP is a lost cause - the best selling console is the DS, its that simple.

As for the PS3, well at E3 yesterday they showed off, Killzone 2, which actually looked a bit like the CGI they showed back in 05, so i guess they might have a killer app at last like Gears of Wars was for the 360 last year.

But its still not looking good for the PS3, the 360 press conference highlighted a very important point.

Back in 2001, the best selling year for games, the top 3 games were, GTA, Madden, and Halo.

03, it was GTA, Madden, Halo 2

This year, MS have got GTA (it didnt have it before) , Madden, and Halo 3.

MS's game plan is almost faultless, and with games like Bio-Shock and the simply stunning Mass Effect due this year aswell, what on earth has SOny got outside of KZ2 and perhaps MGS4. MGS4 will be on the 360 before long I can assure you.

On the subject of Wii, smooth moves and bowling still gets my friends playing, for about 1 hour, but Mario Galaxy and metroid wouldnt, they would be for me, like zelda. I dunno, the Wii just seems so limited.

I dunno, the PS3 makes a cheap Blue Ray player for my GF,s 42 inch 1080p Bravia at least...

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:52 pm

I've heard some rumblings about Metal Gear perhaps going multi-console.

Meaning, PC, PS3, X-box, Wii, you name it. Apparently the guy behind the games aren't too impressed by the sales of the PS3 and such..

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:22 pm

Well yeah, because of escalating budgets, it's increasingly hard to make a big name game for a single console and be profitable.

That said, Hideo Kojima also has a strict sense of quality, and once it's out, I'm not sure the 360 will be able to handle MGS4, let alone Wii.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:50 am

Hideo Kojima stated over a year ago that MGS4 ran perfectly well on the 360 as they had 'tested' the platform.

Like many other dev-cos stated, the PS3 and the 360 are just as powerfull as each other.
The joke being that the 360 is tech the better machine for 3d graphics, where as the PS3 is better at physics, largely due to the slightly more powerfull Cell chip.
Unfortuantly, the Cell chip as an arse to programme for, almost to the point of stupidity. much like the twin hitachi CPU's of the Sega Saturn...

As for the Wii, MGS4, no chance. Im sure they will have some spin off of the franchise, but not the main platform product.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:31 pm

From Gamespot:

Right about this time last year, Nintendo was touting its surging financial fortunes. The release of the DS Lite had the company posting a massive 85 percent jump in revenues year-over-year for its first fiscal quarter. Meanwhile, profits had risen more than 10 percent from the same period the year before.

Today Nintendo released first-quarter results for its current fiscal year, and the numbers are even bigger thanks to the success of the Wii. For the three months ended June 30, 2007, Nintendo reported revenues of 340.4 billion yen ($2.8 billion), an increase of more than 160 percent over the prior year's first-quarter tally of 130.9 billion yen ($1.1 billion). Profits likewise soared, with the company winding up 80.3 billion yen ($667.4 million) in the black for the quarter, a 416 percent increase over the previous Q1's 15.6 billion yen ($129.3 million).

During the quarter, the DS enjoyed continued strength, selling nearly 7 million systems in the three-month period, bringing the lifetime-to-date total to 47.3 million units sold worldwide. Nintendo attributed the US releases of Pokémon Diamond and Pokémon Pearl as helping the DS games rack up worldwide sales of nearly 3.6 million for the quarter. The company also said older DS releases like Nintendogs, Brain Age, and New Super Mario Bros. continued to sell well.

On the console front, Nintendo sold more than 3.4 million Wii systems for the quarter, bringing the system's lifetime total to almost 9.3 million systems sold worldwide in less than eight months of release. Super Paper Mario and Mario Party 8 were the top new releases for the system for the three months, with Wii Play and Wii Sports (which does not come bundled with the system in Japan) leading catalog sales.

The success of both the Wii and DS prompted Nintendo to boost its financial forecasts for the full year. The publisher now expects total revenues to hit 1.4 trillion yen ($11.6 billion) instead of a bit over 1.1 trillion yen ($9.5 billion). Net profits are also projected to top the previous 175 billion yen ($1.5 billion) estimate and reach 245 billion yen ($2 billion)

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:19 pm

those wii keep selling, interestingly, they dont sell much software, ppl keep buying the unit to play this new thing but then theres not much else...

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:16 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:those wii keep selling, interestingly, they dont sell much software, ppl keep buying the unit to play this new thing but then theres not much else...

What about the idea that since the Wii is geared (advertisiing, interface, price point) towards the casual gamer, or more importantly the non gamer, that said demographics can be quite entertained with a few games spread out over a longer time?

Post by **Kaylee** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:00 am

Shanti418 wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:those wii keep selling, interestingly, they dont sell much software, ppl keep buying the unit to play this new thing but then theres not much else...
What about the idea that since the Wii is geared (advertisiing, interface, price point) towards the casual gamer, or more importantly the non gamer, that said demographics can be quite entertained with a few games spread out over a longer time?

Games consoles have always made their mega bucks on the games AFAIK. The markup on them for the manufacturer is so collosal since they get a fee for licensing the games development and usually a cut of the profits for basically producing a console and dev environment.

Take the PS3 for example- if Sony can build up a base enough to sell maybe ten games per console they will start turning things around. Their money is in the games (and also for Sony in blu-ray). If they can establish their DVD format then I suspect they'll consider the PS3 mission complete. Plus since the PS3 will in theory be a supported system for the next decade that's ten years (hopefully) of people buying games for it, even if it doesn't ship half as many consoles as Nintendo.

I suspect Ninty are playing a game whereby they're settling for profits from their console (which are not insignificant) and accepting that the games per console will probably be lower than on other systems are Impy says.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:41 am

Yeah Karls right, the console developers always make thier money on the games, not the consoles.

Seriously tho, even the casual gamer must be embarressed at the state of the wii software libary, theres wii sports.... and thats it.

I luckily own all the consoles, my GF loves 1 mini game on wario smooth moves, the dancing one - I play the 360 and my PC mainly.
the PS3 makes an amazingly cheap BlueRay player, that I hope, one day, will get a few games of its own.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:49 pm

I love my Wii, but there is a real lack of good games. Come the end of the year there will be the likes of Mario Galaxy, Metroid and Smash Bros which will consume me.

I picked up a PS3 the other day. Lovely piece of kit.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:10 pm

which has no games, seriously, got resistance, which was dull, I should have known better, having a decent PC and a 360 for FPS. and i also picked up motostorm, which was okish but Forza 2 makes it look like a demo. - good for BR discs tho.

Anyhows, the wii, im looking forward to Mario Galaxy and metroid. not so much smash bros, ive never been a fan of that game.

My only problem with all of this is, Mario Galaxy and metroid dont require the wii remote.
the wii is a big dissapointment for me, the only game that really makes use of the wii is wii sports, everything else is an old game, like mario galaxy, with the remote tacked on.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:11 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYBmAVuBns

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:35 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:
Shanti418 wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:those wii keep selling, interestingly, they dont sell much software, ppl keep buying the unit to play this new thing but then theres not much else...
What about the idea that since the Wii is geared (advertisiing, interface, price point) towards the casual gamer, or more importantly the non gamer, that said demographics can be quite entertained with a few games spread out over a longer time?
Games consoles have always made their mega bucks on the games AFAIK. The markup on them for the manufacturer is so collosal since they get a fee for licensing the games development and usually a cut of the profits for basically producing a console and dev environment.

I suspect Ninty are playing a game whereby they're settling for profits from their console (which are not insignificant) and accepting that the games per console will probably be lower than on other systems are Impy says.

That most money is made off of games is truth, although I suspect that since the Wii's hardware is basically a souped up Gamecube, Ninty makes more off of consoles than MS and Sony (which both lose money on consoles sold).

That said, keep in mind these facts:
1) Nintendo makes money from liscencing fees regardless of how well they do. So far, the trend for the Wii 3rd party games has been of crappy quality, but quantity. There ARE games for the Wii, just none you'd want to play. But this makes sense on a buisness model, because since the production costs on Wii are so much smaller compared to 360/PS3, you can make it for cheaper, letting you make a profit on a smaller number of games sold.

2) Ninty's games are going to sell gangbusters like they always do. I mean, MS and Sony would KILL to have the numbers that Ninty's first party games have always had. And aside from your occasional Crash Bandicoots and Halos, it's been mostly average sales wise for them.

Numbers from the always dubious but generally helpful Wikipedia:

Number of Games Released or in Development (not counting XBLA/VC/PSN)

360: 338
Wii: 316
PS3: 252

Post by **Kaylee** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:26 am

Nintendo are of course making a nice profit off of the console, but that's a one-off payment. Games are what keeps the money coming in over the life of the console.

Also Nintendo's licencing fees are likely to be far less than Sony and probably MS too- which is something both companies could learn from. If Sony dropped the ridiculous licencing fees for its PSP it could have a slew of third party games. As it stands its library is now pretty good imo (although with very few outstanding games, but lots of playable ones if you're willing to accept just because a game isn't family-inclusive and 'innovative' it can still be fun) but it's taken a long time to get there.

Personally I find the popularity of Nintendo's first party titles absolutely inexplicable. How many times people can solve the same puzzle and levels on a Mario/Zelda/Pokemon game is beyond me. I guess that's why I'm not a business man.

"I can control Mario with a flick of the wrist on my controller rather than a push of a button. Woot."

Ninty have made a stack load of money, that was never in doubt I think given their pricing model and profit margins, but I think the gist is that it'll be short-term money: the nextgen consoles will outlive the Wii and probably its successor and make more money overall through games sales- or so goes the theory anyway.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:49 am

the thing is, the wii has one game, wii sports - the rest are old games with tacked on controll methods, ok smooth moves is cool.

If i want to play the old games, ill buy a 360, it has better graphics and stuff.

the wii is selling because its a novelty item, its not selling games tho.

anyhows, this xmass wil be interesting, watch the 360 sales go through the roof.

the biggest software sales have come in the same year that: halo,GTA and madden were released. the 2nd biggest: hal2, GTA madden.

this xmass, we see: Halo 3, GTA Madden, Mass effect, bio shock.

crazy...

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