TFTM vs TFTM (probable spoilers)

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:16 am

yeah, that's right bitches.

Its way to soon to have this conversation, and i am not proposing this is a serious po faced discussion, but, essentially, its this:

Optimus Prime transforming, leaping, shooting, bossing it to 'The Touch'

or

Optimus Prime transforming, falling, landing, bossing it and sticking a sword through Bonecrusher's head.

Which is cooler?

eh?

EH?

You slags.

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:11 am

Would we have had the latter without the former? Aaaaaaaahhhh [/Jesus/Lee&Herrin]

I'd go with the first just because it's so special to me, I still put the DVD on just to watch it 20 years after it was made

I don't see myself doing that for any one scene in the most recent one. I fully accept that that's pure childhood fondness

rusty_herring · Post by **rusty_herring** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:31 pm

Best part of the original movie (Prime vs. Decepticons)

Prime is rolling in truck mode towards the Decepticons and you see Thrust's face going "omg" in the reflection of the grill before Prime runs him down, and Blitzwing literally bails as Prime turns his steering towards him while you're in the cabin view of Prime's truck.

And yes, all to you got the touch.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:13 pm

Honestly? If it were to be a comparison against how my childhood self felt after walking out of the first movie, and my adult self now, it woudl be sooooo close.

Original: It's got lots of Transformers with character development, which is by far the best thing it's got that the new one doesn't. But at the same time, my childhood self was like, "Hold on a second, they just killed Optimus Prime and a bunch of my other favorites, and now they're throwing all these new people on me? Who the f*** is this old truck? A GIRL Transformer?" So having a bunch o' first wave G1 'bots getting killed off and replaced by these other guys (as well as the Deceps) to me at the time was as much of a "betrayel" to my expectations or desires as this second one.

New: The designs STILL suck. But this is really the first time that you get to see Optimus and Bumblebee and co. save the day. The G1 guys. And designs sucking or not, they WERE Transformers, and they looked quite realistic. The story can't be properly judeged against the first one's story: apples and oranges. One is appealing to a niche market to sell product, the other is looking for mass appeal. Those few scenes of the Autobots standing around in dialogue were like drop of precious nectar upon my tongue.

I'd go with the original on the soundtrack, although The Touch is ruined for me because of Boogie Nights. But the song with the credits, that kick ass metal tune? That's the shiznit. The new one has Linkin Park on it. 'Nuff said.

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:43 am

My take:

Original:

Jazz: Makes last major appearance.

Prime: Plows down several 'cons and has a great last battle scene with Megatron. Has one of the most touching death scenes of all time.

Megatron: Kills several bots in gun mode. Kills Ironhide on second try. Wins fight with Optimus thanks to to deception and Hot Rod. Reincarnated into Galvatron and kills Starscream.

Starscream: Throws wounded Megatron into space and becomes leader for a few seconds.

Ironhide: Gets shot by Megatron. Refuses to stay down and gets killed.

Bumblebee: Gets eaten by Unicron after attempting to blow him up. Saved near end of movie.

Theme by: Lion

Burden brought: Wheelie

Movie:

Jazz: Acts like a total A-hole and fans are glad when he gets killed.

Prime: Kills Bonecrusher. Gets his butt kicked by "Megatron".

Megatron: Terrible design. Gets killed by the US Army and a teen fleshie.

Starscream: Munky-jet design. Rescues "Megatron". Shoots down planes. Perches on building and does nothing. Has only one line of dialog.

Ironhide: Gets peed on by a dog. Wants to kill something.

Bumblebee: Doesn't talk for most of the movie. "Pees" on SS agent. Has unfitting voice when he finally does talk.

Theme by: Mutemath

Burden brought: Frenzy

Original FTW.

Aaron Hong · Post by **Aaron Hong** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:40 am

Original: Devastator combination depicted as havig the arms and torso float over the legs and conveniently linking up in parfect alignment.

Possible Transformers 2 version: Long Haul reverses towards Scrapper and Mixmaster, then loud KTHUNK-KTHUNKs are heard as they connect before the entire assemble elevates to standing position. Then these joints and mounts extend from the torso section, as Bonecrusher and Scavenger elevate themselves on extending parts that become the missile-launcher forearms, until they come near the shoulder mounts, which turn in a wide arc to make sure they catch the arm joints properly before pulling them in place.

Finally Hook at ground level folds up into torso form, and the arms pick him up and stick him on top of the body, with the final locking-down motion bringing the head out at the same time.

It might actually take longer than OP transforming by himself.

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:04 pm

Aaron Hong wrote:Original: Devastator combination depicted as havig the arms and torso float over the legs and conveniently linking up in parfect alignment.

Possible Transformers 2 version: Long Haul reverses towards Scrapper and Mixmaster, then loud KTHUNK-KTHUNKs are heard as they connect before the entire assemble elevates to standing position. Then these joints and mounts extend from the torso section, as Bonecrusher and Scavenger elevate themselves on extending parts that become the missile-launcher forearms, until they come near the shoulder mounts, which turn in a wide arc to make sure they catch the arm joints properly before pulling them in place.

Finally Hook at ground level folds up into torso form, and the arms pick him up and stick him on top of the body, with the final locking-down motion bringing the head out at the same time.

It might actually take longer than OP transforming by himself.

If Mikey Bay decides to do Devastator, I figure that they'd all fall into a big goop of "nanobots" and morph into a giant bug thing.

...I'm not kidding.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:45 pm

Yes you are...

Can't fool me!

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:02 pm

Best First wrote: Optimus Prime transforming, falling, landing, bossing it and sticking a sword through Bonecrusher's head.

Which is cooler?

The question should be is there anything cooler this this?

For me, that scene where Prime turns around in slo-mo and impacts with Bonecrusher was more real than if it had actually happened. And the way they tumble over the overpass? Saaaawweeeeeeeeet.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:38 pm

Yaya wrote:
Best First wrote: Optimus Prime transforming, falling, landing, bossing it and sticking a sword through Bonecrusher's head.

Which is cooler?
The question should be is there anything cooler this this?

back away folks...

Hot Shot wrote: ...I'm not kidding.

but your constant griping is tiresome - give it a rest mate.

bludgeon2005 · Post by **bludgeon2005** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:30 pm

I figger the new film is only half as retarded as the old movie, plus I'm drunk and it's starting to depress me that I saw the animated film 20 years ago (the same day I got Wideload, my little bro got Chase and my older bro got a Tele-Viper. we also got a transformers storybook) 20 ******* years! thats most of my life. But yeah I have a rogue-trader version of the film and I'm watching the scene where the Autobots arrive on earth over and over again and I think I may be falling in love. I see this films massive flaws, but it's still great, so it's true warts and all intense sweaty robot love.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:52 pm

The mere fact that Prime kills someone, even a Con, without a moment hesitation, with a sword of all things (something more associated with ol' Grimmers) was a bit disturbing for me. It's something I feel just isn't like Prime's way, even if he acted like this at times (running down Tantrum in G2, but then he was pretty mad seeing the Cons kill all those humans). I know Prime isn't Santa Claus, and they are in a war for Pete's sake, but somehow I liked the Prime better who beat the tar out of Thunderwing but then stopped before the killing blow, looking for an alternative.

Of course I know, it's Bayimus Prime now and he kicks ass.

Still Prime would have been more convincing in this new badass way if he could have held his ground against Megs for more then 1 second...

Post by **Kaylee** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:40 pm

BB Shockwave wrote: Of course I know, it's Bayimus Prime now and he kicks ass. Still Prime would have been more convincing in this new badass way if he could have held his ground against Megs for more then 1 second...

Yar, I thought it would've been nice if Prime was more of Megsy's equal rather than just got beaten up

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:55 am

No I have the seen new movie, all i can say is the orginal is still alot better than the new film. ill put my reasons in the spoiler thread.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:42 pm

The new one's a better movie.
The old one was a better episode of a kid's tv series.

They're pretty much incomparable beyond that as they approach the subject matter from radically different perspectives.

One of them concerns a group of robots zotting about all over space chasing stuff. With cheese-pop 80s soundtrack.
One of them concerns a group of humans who suddenly find themselves stuck in the middle of a Giant Death Robot Civil War. Directed by Michael Bay.

The original was animated robots shooting other animated robots.
This is giant CGI robots trashing actual practical buildings whilst people dodge explosions.

2007: Decent film about Transformers
1986: Good fun with awesome montagey soundtrack

I think the new one just about wins out. I don't think that the 10 year olds in the audience cared that Starbuck was a chi- uhm, that Megatron didn't look exactly like he used to..

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:11 am

I think the orginal movie is about TF - ones that I can actually make out, has a plot based on Transformers that actually makes sense, and in generall is alot more fun.

the new movie is about some robots - or something, that dont make sense and isnt very fun.
explosions or not, i was not impressed, i can watch a hundred movies if I want to see explosions.

the orginal film is still a 'movie' it takes the existing TF cartoon line, ramps up the fun and shock factor to 10 and does what any good movie spin off should do.

the only good thing in the new film is the humans, and as the new film is called 'transformers' - I think thats a major oversight.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:41 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:in generall is alot more fun.

Aye. In many ways it's a great big music video, really.

the new movie is about some robots

I think it's actually more about the people caught in the middle of the robots.

I don't buy into all the hooha certain people (not you) spout about them "not being Transformers" - after 20 years encompassing Ravage, Dinobots, Godmasters, Action Masters, Beast Machines and other gubbins, there is no concrete definition on what is or isn't Transformers, beyond whatever's got the brand name stamped on it at the time.

explosions or not, i was not impressed, i can watch a hundred movies if I want to see explosions.

Was listing the stylistic differences, not using explosions as justification for it being better - The original is about robots shooting each other in space. The new one is about robots throwing each other through buildings. Personal preference decides which is better.

the orginal film is still a 'movie'

Has anybody claimed to the contrary?

it takes the existing TF cartoon line, ramps up the fun and shock factor to 10 and does what any good movie spin off should do.

Exactly - it's a spin-off. It's still a movie, but it's a movie-length episode of an already running story. The new one's a reboot, it stands alone (for the time being). With organic webshooters.

The old one is Serenity, the new one is The Naked Gun.

the only good thing in the new film is the humans, and as the new film is called 'transformers' - I think thats a major oversight.

Oh, the screen time ratio is buggered, certainly. But no more than, say, Infiltration. And Infiltration doesn't have Tom Lenk in it.

At the end of the day, the two things are incomparable. The first movie was in an already existing continuity, unbound by sfx budgets, and I saw it when I was 7. The new one is a reboot that has to be restricted by certain movie-making practicalities, that I saw when I was 26.

I'm not going to pretend that I can make an impartial call regarding what I would have thought of the new one if I'd seen it as a 7 year old, or what I'd think of the old one if I saw it now with absolutely no knowledge of the characters in it.

Completely different animals.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:06 am

true they are completely different, and like u say, if i was 7, what would I make of this new movie? - would it seem as awesome as the orginal? perhaps.

If I judge both films, then I look at the script, the pacing, the set pieces and so on, do they all fit and come together.

I just dont think the new TF designs work, they were so messy on screen. I watched the movie with 3 non TF fans, 1 was a slight fan from years gone by and the first thing said to me as we left was, " I couldnt make out what was going on" - now for me this is the fault of the director, he didnt direct scenes with much clarity (bar the first scene that is) and it becomes a mess of robot parts.
This is due to the TF designs being over complex, I cannot belive at any time, no single art director didnt say "hey, nice robot, but I dont think its going to work on film to well" - this is a big point to me, I dont care what TF gets what name or if hes a gun or a tank etc but I think the general designs got lost somehere.
I understand that they looked more realistic when standing still, that I can accept but they should have worked hard to streamline these designs a bit more so that they were understandable on screen. It was very messy.

Now heres the next thing I find strange, the script for the human characters in the new movie is by and large good but falls flat for the TF themselves, they got that all wrong - did no one on the production team every watch a single cartoon episode or read a comic to understand how the TF talk? - the whole idea they speak
web speak' or learnt to speak by using the internet is fair enough but at the same time, thats such a daft concept, it also does nothing for the TF profiles on hand.

I dunno, the orginal move feels like its about TF, this new movie feels like its about humans who meet some TF or robots that can morph. - theres a difference there and im not sure if its right.

When I left the preview on saturday night and stood around in the cinema cafe, I could hear alot of people saying simlar things, "its to hard to see whats going on" - and "I dont think they were TF"

the last comment is an interesting one, like u point out, what is a TF? they have changed so many times its hard to define but somthing about the new designs, which has always been my fear of them, really doesnt shout TF in any sense to me.

I really didnt connect with the robots in anyway, OP felt really wooden, it was like watching and hearing someone do an impression of OP, if that makes sense, it was all cliches to a time gone by.

A sequel needs loads of robots, better camera work, clear direction, an much improved script, and a non grandad OP.
Oh and Star-Scream needs more than 1 line.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:19 am

Oh, the designs are far too complex and busy - no argument there. When they're in motion, absolutely fine, but the moment they start standing about... well, they become pretty indistinct. Even when they're in motion, it's not aided by the choppy action-movie editing.

I watched the Indiana Jones movies over the past week, and it struck me how differently the standard action movie is shot nowadays. The Jones films are full of wide angle static "ones"... whereas everything nowadays is all jolted about all over the place with quick cuts to stop people getting bored... but sometimes all it does is interfere with following what's going on.

I enjoyed the hell out of the new movie the second time I saw it. Probably because I knew the flaws going in and was able to just kick back and enjoy the carnage. I think the Empire review nails it in saying it's best approached as a comedy.

But yeah, the TF dialogue is dodgy as [composite word including 'f*ck']. I liked that they had the Decepticons communicating with each other in Cybertronian. Ironhide was just... well, odd. Jazz needed a kicking from the moment he opened his mouth. Ratchet was fine, Optimus was... well, he had too much stilted exposition. That could easily have been shared around. Loved Bumblebee, though - dodgy idea but worked really well. Until he started talking on his own.

I think now they've got the effects worked out (rather than being an experiment, which is essentially what it was), any sequel will be able to have more TF screen-time (bigger budget will help). And I think the way the movie ended, Starscream will doubtless be a focal character.

The Transfan in me prefers the original (due to seeing it as a kid, growing up with it, etc), but I think the film-fan in me prefers the new one.

Eh. End of the day, it's just another iteration. It's flawed, but most TF stuff is on some level. If people don't enjoy it, it's not like there's no other TF universe for them to submerge themselves in.

Aaron Hong · Post by **Aaron Hong** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:46 am

Original: Autobots land in the Ark after it was Arkjacked by the 'Cons

New: Autobots freefall into Earth's atmosphere to thumping soundtrack, hit the ground, pick themselves up and disappear into the background before anyone notices, except maybe that one girl.

OK, not a fair comparison, but still.

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:20 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I think the orginal movie is about TF - ones that I can actually make out, has a plot based on Transformers that actually makes sense, and in generall is alot more fun.

A lot more sense? Why then after shedloads of attempts week in week out to defeat the autobots did the cons never do it, but within 10 minutes in the film all the bots were gone, only leaving the new buy me now bots?

giant robot that devours planets, but has an intricate interior system that floods, catches fire, looks a bit crappy, has a lava pit (?) and a conveyor belt to drop the robots in like the grab a toy in the fair.

I'm sorry impy as much as I enjoy the first film I cannot justify the liking of it being down to a sensible plot, pretty much the opposite!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:44 pm

the orginal cartoon has nothing to do wth the movie, so I dont see that as a valid argument.

A giant robot, nothing wrong with that, dont you know the origin of the transformers?
Unicrons internal systems flood - so do a humans when they are ruptured and blood pours out.
Whats wrong with the lava pit, your stomach has acid init, doesnt it?

If thats the best argument u can level at the orginal movie then god knows what you make of the new film, it must be utter crap.

I didnt say the plot was 'sensible' by the way, theres a big difference, I said the plot made sense - the new movies plot is a load of crap that just works around some special effect.

rusty_herring · Post by **rusty_herring** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:39 pm

I didn't like the new movie that much at all really, like Impactor says, the plot made no sense and there wasn't nearly enough robots in it at all and I thought the acting was pretty bad too. I remember halfway through thinking, "Wow.. we haven't even seen Prime yet." I don't think I wanted a single human in that movie to survive and Bumblebee 'urinating' on that guy dropped the movie to a whole new level.

The new movie makes the old one look like genius, and I hated the old movie at the time I saw it because it killed off 95% of my favourite characters and showcased a bunch of new ones I didn't care about.

CGI and effects can only take you so far nowadays. I'm sorry if I'm upsetting anyone but that's just my opinion.

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:59 pm

whoa someones touchy today

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:the orginal cartoon has nothing to do wth the movie, so I dont see that as a valid argument.

Really you didnt read my post, of course the original movie had something to do with the cartoon, I know it was american led but really your argument really falls down because I bet you 99% of people saw the original movie went to see it as it was an extended episode in reality of the cartoon, not a completely separate entity.

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:A giant robot, nothing wrong with that, dont you know the origin of the transformers?
Unicrons internal systems flood - so do a humans when they are ruptured and blood pours out.
Whats wrong with the lava pit, your stomach has acid init, doesnt it?

Come on, all the stuff with unicron is a bit weak, if we're being picky the sheer amount of machinery involved in transforming somthing so huge would virtually fill him out. It's one of those situations that spoils sometimes he's as big as a planet, why do it take so little time to navigate around him, or little things like the planets get destroyed but oh look i'l sort out the fully intact robots to slowy take their leave by the claw of doom, giving plenty of time for rescue. see austin powers 1+2.

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:If thats the best argument u can level at the orginal movie then god knows what you make of the new film, it must be utter crap.

Its not the best argument that I can level at the original movie, there are plenty more but this was not the point of what I had said, go read it again.
No-where was the statement the original movie is crap and I don't like it, I like to be a little more open minded I love the original movie as I said, I'm just saying the clarity and sense of the plot isn't all that and i'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks so.

And if you had read my post in the movie thread you would have seen that I thoroughly enjoyed the new film, and it is the first movie in years that I actually enjoyed so much it was over too quickly. The cgi/real blend was flawless, and realistically of course some of the battle scenes would be messy, but I tell you what, I'l give you a couple of years to go and make a better movie.

It was transformers to me. They are robots. They transform into things.

it had prime, megs etc just because it didn't disappear into its own rectum to please us fanboys doesn't make it a non transformers movie.

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Post by **Kaylee** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:04 am

Erm, out of interest-

I'l give you a couple of years to go and make a better movie.

I'm not entirely keen on the new building developments in Canterbury. Should I therefore go out and design a whole new block of houses which are better and then have them built?

I don't particularly think the current US administration has done a good job, should I move to the US, change the law so a foreigner can run for office and then become President to do it better?

I'm not entirely certain God's been running the Universe how I think it should be run- should I raise a mighty Army of mythical entities, wage a second war in heaven and depose the great berk?

Going off and making a 'better' movie isn't really the point since I think it's fair to say nobody here is in any position to finance a multimillion dollar blockbuster, so it's not much of a criticism to level "Well you go and do better then" at people who have faults with the new flick.

Just 'cos it's the only one we've got doesn't mean we have to automatically love it, no?

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:13 am

Karl Lynch wrote:Erm, out of interest-

I'l give you a couple of years to go and make a better movie.
I'm not entirely keen on the new building developments in Canterbury. Should I therefore go out and design a whole new block of houses which are better and then have them built?

I don't particularly think the current US administration has done a good job, should I move to the US, change the law so a foreigner can run for office and then become President to do it better?

I'm not entirely certain God's been running the Universe how I think it should be run- should I raise a mighty Army of mythical entities, wage a second war in heaven and depose the great berk?

Going off and making a 'better' movie isn't really the point since I think it's fair to say nobody here is in any position to finance a multimillion dollar blockbuster, so it's not much of a criticism to level "Well you go and do better then" at people who have faults with the new flick.

Just 'cos it's the only one we've got doesn't mean we have to automatically love it, no?

no fair point,

but I just wish some people would just take it that others actually might think differently to what they do. People have been criticising the way the movie was made esp the fight scenes but really how did they expect them to be filmed? I just find it irritating that people are just really easy to judge something as crap whereas in reality those poor buggers in ilm worked their arses off to give us a really good movie.

would the fight sequences have been different if the bots where blocks? I don't think so and then we'd have comments like, the fights were unrealistic etc.

some people need to chill out and enjoy something that was effectively made for them from their interest.

It was a playground comment to say go and make your own better and I revoke it.

Post by **Kaylee** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:32 am

Personally I think the fights are let down by Bay's inability to keep his camera still more than anything- it's all extreme closeups and jerky camera movement; which whilst more realistic as it puts us in the POV of a participant makes it really hard to work out what's going on around. That's just his style though I guess.

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:49 am

divebomb wrote:
Karl Lynch wrote:Erm, out of interest-

I'l give you a couple of years to go and make a better movie.
I'm not entirely keen on the new building developments in Canterbury. Should I therefore go out and design a whole new block of houses which are better and then have them built?

I don't particularly think the current US administration has done a good job, should I move to the US, change the law so a foreigner can run for office and then become President to do it better?

I'm not entirely certain God's been running the Universe how I think it should be run- should I raise a mighty Army of mythical entities, wage a second war in heaven and depose the great berk?

Going off and making a 'better' movie isn't really the point since I think it's fair to say nobody here is in any position to finance a multimillion dollar blockbuster, so it's not much of a criticism to level "Well you go and do better then" at people who have faults with the new flick.

Just 'cos it's the only one we've got doesn't mean we have to automatically love it, no?
no fair point,

but I just wish some people would just take it that others actually might think differently to what they do. People have been criticising the way the movie was made esp the fight scenes but really how did they expect them to be filmed? I just find it irritating that people are just really easy to judge something as crap whereas in reality those poor buggers in ilm worked their arses off to give us a really good movie.

I could work hard to paint a house purple with yellow stripes, but it doesn't mean it looks good. I'm sure the folks behind Godzilla '98 worked hard, too.

would the fight sequences have been different if the bots where blocks? I don't think so and then we'd have comments like, the fights were unrealistic etc.

Watch this please. That's a pretty realistic fight scene with blocky robots, no? Also, I don't recall anyone asking for purely blocky designs, nor for giant robo-skeletons. A happy medium would have satisfied audiences and fans, and could've possibly had more people(mostly parents and children) going to see it rather than the same people seeing it over and over again.

some people need to chill out and enjoy something that was effectively made for them from their interest.

How exactly was this made in our interest? I distinctly remember Bay constantly shunning the fanboys for rejecting his designs and his ignorance to the slightest suggestion from the overall fanbase, not to mention the lying from his people. "Starscream isn't final! We'll change it!" "Megatron's head isn't final! You'll like the new version!" "The personalities are the same!"

We only got Cullen, BB speaking a few times, and a few nostalgic lines. Hardly made in our interest.

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:56 am

Hot Shot wrote:
divebomb wrote:
Karl Lynch wrote:Erm, out of interest-
I'm not entirely keen on the new building developments in Canterbury. Should I therefore go out and design a whole new block of houses which are better and then have them built?

I don't particularly think the current US administration has done a good job, should I move to the US, change the law so a foreigner can run for office and then become President to do it better?

I'm not entirely certain God's been running the Universe how I think it should be run- should I raise a mighty Army of mythical entities, wage a second war in heaven and depose the great berk?

Going off and making a 'better' movie isn't really the point since I think it's fair to say nobody here is in any position to finance a multimillion dollar blockbuster, so it's not much of a criticism to level "Well you go and do better then" at people who have faults with the new flick.

Just 'cos it's the only one we've got doesn't mean we have to automatically love it, no?
no fair point,

but I just wish some people would just take it that others actually might think differently to what they do. People have been criticising the way the movie was made esp the fight scenes but really how did they expect them to be filmed? I just find it irritating that people are just really easy to judge something as crap whereas in reality those poor buggers in ilm worked their arses off to give us a really good movie.
I could work hard to paint a house purple with yellow stripes, but it doesn't mean it looks good. I'm sure the folks behind Godzilla '98 worked hard, too.

would the fight sequences have been different if the bots where blocks? I don't think so and then we'd have comments like, the fights were unrealistic etc.
Watch this please. That's a pretty realistic fight scene with blocky robots, no? Also, I don't recall anyone asking for purely blocky designs, nor for giant robo-skeletons. A happy medium would have satisfied audiences and fans, and could've possibly had more people(mostly parents and children) going to see it rather than the same people seeing it over and over again.

some people need to chill out and enjoy something that was effectively made for them from their interest.
How exactly was this made in our interest? I distinctly remember Bay constantly shunning the fanboys for rejecting his designs and his ignorance to the slightest suggestion from the overall fanbase, not to mention the lying from his people. "Starscream isn't final! We'll change it!" "Megatron's head isn't final! You'll like the new version!" "The personalities are the same!"

We only got Cullen, BB speaking a few times, and a few nostalgic lines. Hardly made in our interest.

I didnt it was made in our interest but from our interest, again kudos for actually reading my post

And yes that fight scene is very good, but really could you imagine how it would be done in a photorealistic way, stop trying to make arguments from nothing
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divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:10 am

a bit like karly said as well, not everyone has to like everything, hot shot it is plain that you obviously dont like the film or anything about it - whereas I saw the film with an open mind and loved it. Yes it has its problems, as does the original film.

Guess what I like both.

Guess what I dont care if you dont like the new film hs.

Guess what this argument has run its course.

again as karly said not everyone has to like everything, and this is where I kick myself for getting involved in a discussion like this and actually adding my opinion.

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