Im a Pedo!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:15 pm

Im into BDSM, im not ashamed to say that, some ppl might not understand and i respect that - i dont think it makes me a pedophile tho!

I only ever involve myself with other consenting adults and yes I do have BDSM porn on my computer which is quite hard but everyone involved is consenting and wants to be inolved - they are generally well know within the community.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berk ... 297600.stm

Its now illegal to own such material and is as bad as being Pedophile - well screw me I guess its time for a mass delete.

i dont understand this law, one of the largest Clubs in the UK is the Torture Garden, where happy consenting adults meet on a weekly basis. There are thousands of these clubs across the worlds...Is this all now illegal, If I take aphoto of someone spanking some bodys bum at one of these clubs is that illegal now?

Im very confused, how am I doing anything wrong? - surely on this basis all porn should be banned as it might make a rapist out of you.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:22 pm

Haha, what the [composite word including 'f*ck']. What a crazy law.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:29 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:surely on this basis all porn should be banned as it might make a rapist out of you.

Well they've managed to distinguish the difference between the two by calling it "material featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury".

Though its quite likely this man would've still killed even without access to such images.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:35 pm

Im confused as hell now - seriously, is a woman getting her ass whipped (consenting) breaking the law?

Im utterly confused by this and am trying to find some decent responses - ive read the home office publication and whilst I total agree with some of the points they make regarding sick stuff like necrophillia and other disgusting practises i cant understand what is considered against the law?

What I dont understand is that there are simply millions of ppl in the UK who posses images of BDSM, there are proffesional dominatrixs by the thousand who have thier own websites - there are hundreds of meeting websites for BDSM people to find partners on etc...

Are all of these about to be deleted, im bloody confused!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:56 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Im confused as hell now - seriously, is a woman getting her ass whipped (consenting) breaking the law?

Only if you take a picture of it.

Life is strange.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:11 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Im into BDSM.

Finally, after years of Nintendo/religion arguing, we have something in common.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:15 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Im confused as hell now - seriously, is a woman getting her ass whipped (consenting) breaking the law?
Only if you take a picture of it.

Life is strange.

Oh dear god - right, sorry guys im off to jail... [/format C:]

Seriously wtf? - ever seen scary movie 3? the comedy? there are women whippinh ppl in that! in a BDSM scenario...

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:37 pm

that's pretty ****** up (that law i mean, not liking BDSM)!!

i mean, what will they ban next? school uniforms because some Pedos are into that? seriously... wtf?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:44 pm

Ive been thinking about this more.

There are many magazines on sale in WHsmith that are about bdsm, they contain images of women being spanked and all sorts - guess they are all out of buissness now?

ever heard of adultfriendfinder.com - they have a sister site called alt.com - guess thats banned too.

not to go into to much detail but I have images of myself that wouldnt be legal anymore I presume. thats an odd one.

Sorry im lost on this, I understand that this man was probably viewing the non-consensual rape and violence images but this ban seems to 'blanket' to me.

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:22 pm

There's a school of thought amongst psychologists that says that allowin violent fantasies to be acted out through imaginary means (such as images) may actually make people less likely to do it in practice.

This sounds like a little bit of a "Dear God, think of the children!" law to me- part of freedom of expression is that you have to allow people who have a taste for something you dislike or find deeply disturbing to express themselves also, so long as nobody is hurt in the matter (although concensual violence is a bit of a grey area, personally my attitude has always been people have a right over their own bodies and can do what they choose).

I have a strong dislike for such interfering, meddlesome behaviour from the state. Sadly though I think meaningful discussion on the subject won't occur- the anti lobby have too strong a sounding case (public decency, preventing murder, violence etc. they're all things that win people over, whether accurate or not).

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:25 pm

I cant belive that for example - a women asking to have a bum whipped and then having an orgasm over the experience whilst shouting More More! . isnt against european human rights.

How is it any differernt to Jackass TV or somthing - ppl hurting themselves for fun...

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:29 pm

Now see personally I found Jackass about as entertaining as an arrow through the neck and have never understood why anybody would watch it- but that doesn't mean I want a law made up to make it illegal to act like a reckless **** on TV.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:02 pm

Of course.

Just reading on a BDSM site that if you were at a large club like TG in London and you were 'playing - lets saying someones whipping someone etc... thats actually legal - use your camera phone with the person consent to take pics of you - your off to jail for 3 years for owning violent pornography!

Seriously - thats an incredibly stupid law no?

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:28 pm

We live in a rather stupid country.

don't get me wrong- this is a pretty good place in the grand scheme of things. Free healthcare, free education, skilled work available etc.

Problem is for all the benefits we enjoy over other nations you'd think we could make things a bit better.

I'm trying to avoid a Smooth and turning into a broken record about my nation of birth. It's got a lot going for it, it just irritates me. And the rate it irritates me at seems to be exponentially increasing o.O (Seriously tho- no offence to smooth- you've got your opinions and are welcome to express them :3)

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:12 pm

I prefer Collarme.com

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:50 pm

Nah, Impy's right. You have to go with alt.com. Although it's got a steadily increasing problem with bots.

But I've met lots of fine, upstanding young ladies from there.

It is already a crime to make or publish such images but proposed legislation will outlaw possession of images such as "material featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury".

That doesn't really seem to be aimed at normal S&M practices. It seems to be aimed more at edgeplay, even getting into snuff, or auto erotic asphyxiation, which I can at least understand. You're not going to threaten life or have serious disabling injury even with the most hardcore whippings. Except maybe pain when sitting down. But you're right, it's definitely a slippery slope.
Do you think it'll really get to the point where they would conduct searches and/or seizures?

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:26 am

I can pretty well guarantee that this will be repealed in short order. There is no legal basis and investigating it is a gross invasion of privacy. However, will anybody champion the cause of violent porn?

Hail Satan, I hope so.

By the by, I'll bet my bdsm stuff is harder than yours.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:43 am

Way I see it is this:

Police suspect you of something. Doesn't matter what. They seize your computer as a matter of course. If they don't find any evidence to support their original charge (terrorism, or Transformers addiction, whatever) then they turn up a spanking video and do you for possession of violent porn.

Like that guy they shot coming out of his bedroom in his pyjamas recently - they thought he was a terrorist, but in they end they charged him with child porn offences. And of course they took his cat to the lab, and he hasn't seen it since.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:51 am

This thread might contain reference to certain websites that no one under the age of 18 should search for or look at on the internet.

Uh oh - i best get rid of my Insex videos, that whilst legal and probably a bit shocking to the untrainned eye were not the same images that the Man who brought this case about was looking at.

Here in lies the problem and luckily a lady from the home office was on BBC news at 10 last night actually, thankfully saying this law hasnt been passed yet andit would be stupidly hard to even pass it because as she said its to much of a blanket ban.

A classis example is the well know celebrity Dita Von teese
http://www.dita.net/

Dita has done what would be considered under this new law 'violent porn' - she has done scenes of asphxiation and other acts that would in theroy land her in jail if she had photographs of this - of course she does, she has her own portfolio.
So should Dita, a well know celebrity model, world famous and all, even appears in Hello magazine go to jail? of course not...

My problem with this is.

These images are to banned to stop any would be nutter from getting hold of the image and then commiting a crime - essentially no one has self controll and the mim u look at these images you go mad and kill someone!

The images the murderer was looking at were not like the images you see at Insex.com - he was looking at some pretty ghastly images of women being 'forced' beyond thier will, tortured again beyond thier will and raped - most of the images presented ended in bloody messes that look like murder scenes.

Now its these images, faked or not, that should be clamped down upon.
also
If someone does commint a crime - like a lead shrink pointed out on the BBC news last night - they were most likely going to do this anyhows but more importantly cant the law just be changed so that if your computer has images that obviously relate to the crime they can be used against u in court? seems fair and simple.

If the law went through, I could be off to jail - ive never wanted to harm anyone, I dont like conflict funnily enough. I certinaly dont see myself as a danger to the public nor do I feel I should be painted with the same brushs as a Pedophile is.

Hopefull the law will become more defeined - as of now im not breaking the law but I could soon! [/format c:/]

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:59 am

Dita is so friggin hot. I've been regurally visiting her site for a couple of months now.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:23 am

Mr M.Manson is a lucky guy

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:52 am

Dita rules.

Post by **Kaylee** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:54 am

Formatting won't help, you want a tool like Shred.

Formatting leaves the data in place if you have the tools to read it. Shred actually writes over the data multiple times (up to 60) to make sure it's unreadable, although in theory if someone tried hard enough they might be able to stil pick up slight magnetic images of what was there.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:07 pm

well - im not really that worried to be fair I dont think ive got anything thats illegal or if it is in the future then it can be found in any film in blockbusters or a magazine in WH smith to be honest.

Ill be very interested to see how far this law gos.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:03 pm

Two things:

1) This is ridiculous.
2) I wanna see you guys take to the streets in protest. That would be one hell of a march.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:11 pm

Best First wrote: I wanna see you guys take to the streets in protest. That would be one hell of a march.

woah!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:04 pm

hehe actually - 'they' are planning a march and already...

http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/

Post by **Best First** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:27 pm

i feel a Channel 4 special coming on.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:33 pm

I love the opening line to that website.

The Government is planning to criminalise material showing sexual practices that it doesn't approve of, even if they're between consenting adults

If you and your partner film yourselves doing something the Government doesn't like, you could go to prison for three years.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:45 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:hehe actually - 'they' are planning a march and already...

http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/

Good for you, err, 'them'!

Karl Lynch wrote:Formatting won't help, you want a tool like Shred.

Formatting leaves the data in place if you have the tools to read it. Shred actually writes over the data multiple times (up to 60) to make sure it's unreadable,

I was talking to someone the other day on a similar topic about people who kindly donate their old pcs to Africa, and end up getting stiffed due to their poor data erasure methods.

Personally, I find deleting the partition and overwriting it with partition(s) of a differing file system is pretty effective.

although in theory if someone tried hard enough they might be able to stil pick up slight magnetic images of what was there.

This shouldn't really be the case, as it would mean that eventually, after enough rewrites, the resultant build-up of magnetic eddies would render the drive useless as the magnetic domain would be so scrambled that to try and impose a particular polar persuasion upon it would fail, and this is not a reported cause of disk failure, as that is usually due to a mechanical error resulting in physical damage, such as the head touching (scratching) the track, etc.

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