Superman Returns (spoilers, probably)
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dear god that was brilliant, i think there were points where i was just giggling i enjoyed it so much.
Routh was prefect, both as Clark and Supes. Everyone else was pretty spot on as well.
My only slight reservation was that in some ways the final 'super' act wasn't quite as rock and roll as the previous ones - the plane scene in particular was...just...bloody...amazing.
"Statistically it is still the safest way to travel"
And the score! the score! what a piece of music, and used to perfection.
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dear god that was brilliant, i think there were points where i was just giggling i enjoyed it so much.
Routh was prefect, both as Clark and Supes. Everyone else was pretty spot on as well.
My only slight reservation was that in some ways the final 'super' act wasn't quite as rock and roll as the previous ones - the plane scene in particular was...just...bloody...amazing.
"Statistically it is still the safest way to travel"
And the score! the score! what a piece of music, and used to perfection.
Singer + Comics = gold.
Spidey & Bond trailers to boot. Shiznit.
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I liked the movie, but I felt they took longer to tell the story than they had to.
To be honest, I felt the movie was more of a 'let's place the camera in Metropolis' kind of thing rather than a brilliant plot. I liked Kevin Spacey as Luthor, though I felt he should have gotten more screen time and better lines.
Routh is excellent, I agree.
Was a bit tough for me to actually like Lois Lane. And since she's one of the main characters, it distracted me from really liking the movie.
Strange thing is with the special effects was that they seemed to over use it. Sure, it's a film about a flying super hero, but at times I was kind of fed up with yet another great camera swoop over the ocean.
Honestly, the nicest camera work and nicest images were of Clark back at the ranch, way at the beginning. Beautiful sunrise.
Cool to see James Marshden (Cyclops in X-Men) in another role. At first I thought he just played Cyclops without the shades, but then I actually started to like him. Good that he understood he wasn't the star, made him all the more convincing.
Overall, certainly a great tribute to the Superman franchise and saga. It had everything you'd expect from a Superman flick, I'd say. With a few less special effects and a bit more clever interplay between Super and Luthor, it'd be perfect.
8/10 from me.
To be honest, I felt the movie was more of a 'let's place the camera in Metropolis' kind of thing rather than a brilliant plot. I liked Kevin Spacey as Luthor, though I felt he should have gotten more screen time and better lines.
Routh is excellent, I agree.
Was a bit tough for me to actually like Lois Lane. And since she's one of the main characters, it distracted me from really liking the movie.
Strange thing is with the special effects was that they seemed to over use it. Sure, it's a film about a flying super hero, but at times I was kind of fed up with yet another great camera swoop over the ocean.
Honestly, the nicest camera work and nicest images were of Clark back at the ranch, way at the beginning. Beautiful sunrise.
Cool to see James Marshden (Cyclops in X-Men) in another role. At first I thought he just played Cyclops without the shades, but then I actually started to like him. Good that he understood he wasn't the star, made him all the more convincing.
Overall, certainly a great tribute to the Superman franchise and saga. It had everything you'd expect from a Superman flick, I'd say. With a few less special effects and a bit more clever interplay between Super and Luthor, it'd be perfect.
8/10 from me.
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I like dit a lot but i found a few niggling flaws. Superman has almost no dialogue and no character. ANd of that dialogue 75% was rehashed from the first movie. As a consequence Routh was great as Clark but rather flat as Superman.
I sound a little too critical but the plot was too much like the first to be a really great film, comes across as a fanboy remaking it for the 21st century. The supporting cast was great, especially Spacey. I did enjoy it but the first 2 Supes films were a bit better IMO and Pirates was more enjoyable.
I sound a little too critical but the plot was too much like the first to be a really great film, comes across as a fanboy remaking it for the 21st century. The supporting cast was great, especially Spacey. I did enjoy it but the first 2 Supes films were a bit better IMO and Pirates was more enjoyable.
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Hmmm...well I just got to see this and I wasn't quite as enthused as I might have been.
Singer's direction - a little overlong but otherwise perfect, no complaints.
Brandon Routh/Superman/Clark - perfect, no complaints.
Spacey/Luthor - perfect, no complaints.
Jimmy and Perry - great, loved 'em.
Kate Bosworth/Lois - pathetic.
Since when was Lois Lane such a wet fish? Can you imagine Teri Hatcher's Lois (armed with a Pulitzer Prize, no less) being such a wimpy pushover? Always running to her pilot boyfriend and letting Perry tell her what to do? Bollocks, would she. Even as a single mum, she'd be like:
LL: Perry, what's this?
PW: A Pulitzer Prize.
LL: Do you have one of these?
PW: No.
LL: Then shut the **** up before I go and work for the Daily Bugle.
Then there's the fact that she lied to whatever-Cyclops-was-called about sleeping with and/or loving Superman, something that isn't really brought up again...I'd have maybe liked to have seen her dragged through the streets of Metropolis as crowds of people throw vegetables calling her a lying slut...And the way everyone is all happy families at the end - Supes doesn't seem to mind that they've got his son, whatever-the-****-Cyclops-was-called doesn't seem to mind that his missus still has the horn for big blue, Lois is still an indecisive wet fish and as for the kid...*shudders*...I never want to go to see a superhero movie again where one of the characters is a ****ing kid. I thought we'd learned the lessons of Elektra.
Singer's direction - a little overlong but otherwise perfect, no complaints.
Brandon Routh/Superman/Clark - perfect, no complaints.
Spacey/Luthor - perfect, no complaints.
Jimmy and Perry - great, loved 'em.
Kate Bosworth/Lois - pathetic.
Since when was Lois Lane such a wet fish? Can you imagine Teri Hatcher's Lois (armed with a Pulitzer Prize, no less) being such a wimpy pushover? Always running to her pilot boyfriend and letting Perry tell her what to do? Bollocks, would she. Even as a single mum, she'd be like:
LL: Perry, what's this?
PW: A Pulitzer Prize.
LL: Do you have one of these?
PW: No.
LL: Then shut the **** up before I go and work for the Daily Bugle.
Then there's the fact that she lied to whatever-Cyclops-was-called about sleeping with and/or loving Superman, something that isn't really brought up again...I'd have maybe liked to have seen her dragged through the streets of Metropolis as crowds of people throw vegetables calling her a lying slut...And the way everyone is all happy families at the end - Supes doesn't seem to mind that they've got his son, whatever-the-****-Cyclops-was-called doesn't seem to mind that his missus still has the horn for big blue, Lois is still an indecisive wet fish and as for the kid...*shudders*...I never want to go to see a superhero movie again where one of the characters is a ****ing kid. I thought we'd learned the lessons of Elektra.
I would have waited a ******* eternity for this!!!!
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Even Smallville Lois would have been stronger.Metal Vendetta wrote:Since when was Lois Lane such a wet fish? Can you imagine Teri Hatcher's Lois (armed with a Pulitzer Prize, no less) being such a wimpy pushover?
Now, I chalked that upto the memory wipe thing that Supes did to her at the end of Superman II. He just didn't take into account the fact that he'd knocked her up.Then there's the fact that she lied to whatever-Cyclops-was-called about sleeping with and/or loving Superman
Of course for her to realistically believe it was Cyke's kid, she must have jumped into bed with him pretty damn fast...
Grrr. Argh.
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Maybe inbetween the Quest for Peace and this one, Supes shagged her, wiped her brain again and buggered off...also, why was she so pissed off with him for leaving in the first place? She knows he's got a whole lotta responsibility, and a home planet that reportedly got destroyed. Now when "astronomers discovered Krypton" and Superman disappeared, didn't she think to put, like, two and two together? She's supposed to be a freakin journalist for crying out loud but she didn't seem to make the connection there at all.Brendocon wrote:Now, I chalked that upto the memory wipe thing that Supes did to her at the end of Superman II. He just didn't take into account the fact that he'd knocked her up.Then there's the fact that she lied to whatever-Cyclops-was-called about sleeping with and/or loving Superman
Of course for her to realistically believe it was Cyke's kid, she must have jumped into bed with him pretty damn fast...
I would have waited a ******* eternity for this!!!!
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Superman III and IV actually aren't part of this movie's canon (III saw him ditch Lois for Lana, and in IV his Mum died). Guess we have a sort of trilogy on our hands.Metal Vendetta wrote: Maybe inbetween the Quest for Peace and this one, Supes shagged her, wiped her brain again and buggered off...
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It's been a while since I saw III or IV, but I do remember the horribly obvious Marlboro product placement in II - a giant Marlboro van, no less. If they can get cigars edited out of Tom and Jerry on the place of a single call, I wonder if there's a chance we could get Marlboro's advert CGId out of Superman II?
Acutally, I can't remember if anything plotworthy goes down in that scene...they'd probably just edit out the whole scene if they could.
Anyway, I was down the pub tonight, and people seemed to have a low opinion of this movie generally. I think that's harsh - it was flawed and it's no Batman Begins, but I did get that shiver and that excitement in the cinema so it's gotta be good - I think the problem for me is that Lois just wasn't assertive enough. I just wanted more from her, dammit.
This is how it went at the Mrs's birthday party last week:
Ms J: So, can I borrow Rob next week?
Mrs V: What for?
Ms J: I broke up with my boyfriend and I have a trip to Stockholm booked and no-one to go with.
Mrs V: All right then, but separate beds.
Ms J: Cool, Rob! You're coming to Stockholm!
MV: What?
I don't even know if I'm coming or going any more.
Acutally, I can't remember if anything plotworthy goes down in that scene...they'd probably just edit out the whole scene if they could.
Anyway, I was down the pub tonight, and people seemed to have a low opinion of this movie generally. I think that's harsh - it was flawed and it's no Batman Begins, but I did get that shiver and that excitement in the cinema so it's gotta be good - I think the problem for me is that Lois just wasn't assertive enough. I just wanted more from her, dammit.
Normally, yeah.... because the fact that she's in love with him bypasses his right to actually have a life of his own?
That's how it normally works, right?
This is how it went at the Mrs's birthday party last week:
Ms J: So, can I borrow Rob next week?
Mrs V: What for?
Ms J: I broke up with my boyfriend and I have a trip to Stockholm booked and no-one to go with.
Mrs V: All right then, but separate beds.
Ms J: Cool, Rob! You're coming to Stockholm!
MV: What?
I don't even know if I'm coming or going any more.
I would have waited a ******* eternity for this!!!!
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Someone at OG pointed out that there's no indication Cyclopse thinks he's the kids real father, he could well be a doting stepdad. Which makes more sense that Lois shaging him within weeks of Superman...
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(not my opinion though since I haven't even seen the movie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLz1MHPNqMI&NR
(not my opinion though since I haven't even seen the movie)
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I might be the only one here who didn't like this one little bit...
I mean, compared to the old Superman movies it was about as good, even slightly better. Compared to the 1990 cartoon and the comics? Nah. That was Lex Luthor's big scheme? THAT was all the plot of the movie? I was hoping for some REAL threats, I knew the first new Supes movie would be a re-introduction, but I hoped we'd see some foreshadowing of say, Brainiac or heck, even Darkseid. Superman saving planes and all that is, like - 'been there seen that' and I much prefer the Lexcorp-leading billionaire Luthor to the petty criminal he was here. And Luthor's 'girlfriend' was just like his old one in the old movies, only with black hair... Would it have hurt to throw in Mercy instead?
Granted, the acting was superb, I first had trouble accepting Spacey as Luthor but during the half of the movie he grew on me. But I expected something bigger, something Batman Begins was after loads of ****** Bat-movies... SR certainly wasn't that extraordinare. I hope the sequels will put the man of steel into more difficult situations.
I mean, compared to the old Superman movies it was about as good, even slightly better. Compared to the 1990 cartoon and the comics? Nah. That was Lex Luthor's big scheme? THAT was all the plot of the movie? I was hoping for some REAL threats, I knew the first new Supes movie would be a re-introduction, but I hoped we'd see some foreshadowing of say, Brainiac or heck, even Darkseid. Superman saving planes and all that is, like - 'been there seen that' and I much prefer the Lexcorp-leading billionaire Luthor to the petty criminal he was here. And Luthor's 'girlfriend' was just like his old one in the old movies, only with black hair... Would it have hurt to throw in Mercy instead?
Granted, the acting was superb, I first had trouble accepting Spacey as Luthor but during the half of the movie he grew on me. But I expected something bigger, something Batman Begins was after loads of ****** Bat-movies... SR certainly wasn't that extraordinare. I hope the sequels will put the man of steel into more difficult situations.
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Old topic, but I just saw it.
I thought it was fairly enjoyable.
The whole thing with Superman and his kid was quite ****** though.
Lois must've been a really needy girlfriend, since she hooked up with Cyclops just the day after she got preggers with Superman/right after Superman left.
"That silly Superman hasn't called me the last three hours. THAT'S IT. I'VE HAD ENOUGH *shags another dude*".
And the people that work at the news paper must be ******* stupid.
Come on... Superman and Clark disappears... then returns the same day?
Yes yes, it's just a movie.
Luthors evil scheme was crap to (IMO).
A chopper with a couple of S.W.A.T dudes could've just landed on his precious island and shot him.
I thought it was fairly enjoyable.
The whole thing with Superman and his kid was quite ****** though.
Lois must've been a really needy girlfriend, since she hooked up with Cyclops just the day after she got preggers with Superman/right after Superman left.
"That silly Superman hasn't called me the last three hours. THAT'S IT. I'VE HAD ENOUGH *shags another dude*".
And the people that work at the news paper must be ******* stupid.
Come on... Superman and Clark disappears... then returns the same day?
Yes yes, it's just a movie.
Luthors evil scheme was crap to (IMO).
A chopper with a couple of S.W.A.T dudes could've just landed on his precious island and shot him.
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