Sven

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:27 pm

right - not entirely sure essentially sacking him (despite the fact he is an utter piss taker) before the world cup (albeit with a long notice period) is a good idea...

but who should be up next?

Persoanlly i don't give a rat's ass if they are English or not and i', inclined to go with Gus Hiddink.

Although any and all teams are free to take Maclaren.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:41 pm

Club sides seldom do well when they know the manager's on the way out. Keegan at Man City, Strachan at Saints, etc.

Though on the flipside, wasn't Venables on the way at Euro 96? And Robson at Italia 90?

My vote goes to Steve Wigley. Or maybe Claudio Ranieri.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:53 pm

I would say Peter Taylor myself, but that is sticking with someone English in the role.

Otherwise, I have no idea.

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:45 pm

I felt quite sorry for Sven. As an Aston Villa fan myself I found the whole entrapment angle was quite bad, and not only did it drag Svens name through the press but Villa's as well. I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome a rich Sheik putting his money into the club, but trapping Sven into talking about it fake or not is really bad, ist like the News of the World don't want us to win the world cup, just so they can say "I told you so!".

A couple of results aside I can't really say that sven has done that bad a job. Also I really hope they don't install Mclaren as the new boss when he goes (sorry Besty) but you can't really say he has done much with Boro to qualify him the post, and if they are critising sven, then as a part of his team he must get some blame as well. Personally I would like scolari in as he has proved he can handle international teams, without concerning about dropping big name players. Alternatively I would like to say that Big Sam may be a choice, but would we win a trophy with England playing like Bolton? The main players in the England team would not want to play unfashionable football like Bolton as they wouldn't want to lose there image rights etc when they have cuts and bruises roughing up big nations like Luxembourg.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:57 pm

divebomb wrote:I felt quite sorry for Sven. As an Aston Villa fan myself I found the whole entrapment angle was quite bad, and not only did it drag Svens name through the press but Villa's as well. I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome a rich Sheik putting his money into the club, but trapping Sven into talking about it fake or not is really bad, ist like the News of the World don't want us to win the world cup, just so they can say "I told you so!".

i don't disagree that the news of the world are tossers and no football fan should buy their dirty little rag. However equally Sven has been an idiot on too many occassions for my liking.

Also I really hope they don't install Mclaren as the new boss when he goes (sorry Besty) but you can't really say he has done much with Boro to qualify him the post, and if they are critising sven, then as a part of his team he must get some blame as well.

don't apologise for telling the truth mate, th o nly reason i would want him to take it is to get him out of boro. he is crap.

Personally I would like scolari in as he has proved he can handle international teams, without concerning about dropping big name players. Alternatively I would like to say that Big Sam may be a choice, but would we win a trophy with England playing like Bolton?

would you want to watch an Engladn side play like this anyway?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:54 pm

I think Svens comments are not the problem - everyone is allowed an opinion on a player, im sure every manager in the world has a comment to make about even the greatest players. if you cannot identify a players weakness you cant do you job properly - so in that respect I think hes been stiched up by the news of the world who might have thought they were funny doing so, but could have wrecked one of Englands best chances of lifting the WC.

On a side note, Sven is a tactical idiot and for that I cant defend him.

Who would I like to see next?

Gus is a great tactcian and motivator I think we could go ffar with him,
Stuart Pearce probaly needs more time but sets out a hard working stall of players, which is alot like Big Sam. theres somthing I just like about Alardyce, hes all passion and sort of, hmm, how can I put it, 'English' , if there is such a thing...

FInnaly, what about Sir Alex, ? he could leave and have a lil flourish, I bet he could win it.

Post by **snarl** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:49 pm

Luiz Felipe Scolari

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:34 pm

Ferhguson?!!!! Come off it, he's off the deep end.

Allerdyce is utterly unproven at this level, until he or Curbishly have managed a top 3 side and had regular European experience i ain't convinced.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:14 pm

Fergie still knows more then just about every other manager, and I bet he could manage a WC side.

I mean to be honest its not hard to pick an England team, but what u need is motivation, and I think for the odd game (ie a WC tourne) he could be good in the dressing room.
He still knows how to subtitute a player unlike Sven.

this of course isnt going to happen.

Sam isnt gonna happen either I know, I just like his attitude, one day perhaps...

Its gonna be Gus init?

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:30 am

sam alladyce=mike basset???

"I've called up Tonker (read kevin davies, Nolan, etc) to save the day and I've also given the armband to Jay Jay Okocha"

read:Plonker

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:30 am

Wasn't there a lot of fuss when England hired a foreign dude to manage the national team?
Will this affect the choice of the next manager? Or was it mostly the media that needed something to write about.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:15 pm

I know sam isnt England manager material... yet.

But no one finds him a lil bit charismatic here?

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:35 pm

Obfleur wrote:Wasn't there a lot of fuss when England hired a foreign dude to manage the national team?
Will this affect the choice of the next manager? Or was it mostly the media that needed something to write about.

Bit of both - som epeople are bothered by it, the media blows it up more.

As far as i am concerned you get the best man for the job, Allerdyce adn Curbishly are unproven at the right level (but have potential) so to do anything other than look outside the country is hsotting ourselves in the foot in my opinion.

Hiddink with pearce as his deputy might work well.

The statement 'Ferguson knows more than just about any other manager' is amusing in its lack of basis.

Ferguson's inability to deal with Beckham's fame alone would be a striek against him, but given the last 3 years as well the suggestion is just... a bit bizarre to me. sorry.

As for Allerdyce, i used to quite lik ehim, but as time goes on it has become apparent he is a massive whiner. The man can't lose with any dignity.

edit:

funny:

http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/ ... 00,00.html

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:17 pm

Sorry mate but thats bizzare. the entire coaching world recorgnaises his knowledge of football.

Is he effective now? thats a different question - does he know more / have more experience then pretty much everyone else bar Bill shankly and Busby, of course he does. its not even slightly in question.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:35 pm

I think Ferguson's scottish pride would stop him from doing it, same as Martin O'Neil.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:58 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
Is he effective now? thats a different question

er... and the only relevant one in terms of taking the england job, yes?

experience is irrelavant if you don't have the faculties to use it. There is also no direct correlation between experience and ability - the notion that by doing a job the longest automatically makes you the best at it is nonsense. Experience is a boon but it does not translate automatically into ability.

Plus... he's a wanker.

Take the red tinged glasses off for a second, there are people out there who are far beter suited to the job, which is the only relevant criteria.

love responses like 'the entire coaching world agree with me' btw. christ - speak to them regularly do you. oh, its 'well known'. ugh.

Then again maybe this is jut s clever ploy to get him out before he drives Man U further down into the dolldrums.

MaClaren for England!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:58 pm

I dont have to speak to the coaching world they speak to us, its pretty easy to find comments from all the top the coaches around the world proclaiming how good Fergie is as a manager.
Tap it into Google.

As for his ablity - I belive hes still got it, you dont. you cant actualy prove it, so theres no point in arguing.

"no hes hasnt"

"yes he has"

endless bull ****

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:00 pm

Isn't Ferguson as old as the dinosaurs?
I would rather hire someone who can manage team for at least three years.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:32 pm

I'd like to put Rupert Lowe's name forward.

Although I'm sure Dave Whelan would leap at the chance. He seems to think he's an expert at everything nowadays.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:58 pm

Obfleur wrote:Isn't Ferguson as old as the dinosaurs?
I would rather hire someone who can manage team for at least three years.

Something the Man U board neglected to consider when letting him stay on...

ALthough obvioulsy he is the best ever and it is fact because i say so and everyone agrees with me. yay.

anyway, it can never be proven, ever, not even with facts, although if it could i suppose the fact that Ferguson won Manager of the year every other year at least up to about 2000 but has only won it once since then would in no way indicate a drop off in performance or suggest that there are some people out there who these days could actually be considered his superior...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:31 am

What are u trying to suggest, thats he ****? i mean seriously, I know u hate him and think hes a wanker but seriously, its you who should remove your glasses. mine might be tinted red granted, but you would be hard pressed to find any manager in the game, or pundit who wouldnt tell u that Fergie knows a thing or too about football.
He still manges to beat Chelski and Liverpool this season with his crap midfield - come the summer he will sign the two players hes has followed for so long, united will be a force again. for now we are 2nd, crisis!

Post by **Best First** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:48 am

i'm suggesting that the notion the he should take the England job (yuou know, the focus of tyhe topic) is pretty riduculous given that he has, in the last 3 years, presided over a decline in the form of united and has a poor relationship at best with the captain, not to mention the fact he has become more erratic in terms of personality as well. Ferguson for England = having a laff.

Nowhere do i say he 'knows nothing' about football (****ing obvioulsy) - merely that the suggestion that he 'knows most' or that that is a valid criteria for actually being the most adept manager is basless as you cannot draw a direct parrellel between experience and ability or understanding, otherwise he would have won every year since he got it right the first time.

I never said i hated him either. Please. I just think he is a knob, but he is hardly in exclusive company there.

You won't hang on to second either, you aren't consistant enough - beating Liverpool and Chelsea, so what? We have beaten you and Arse this season, we are still ****. Big scalps are nothing in comparison to consistency which is why Liverpool will take second.

And who's fault is it that you have no midfield? Its not like he hasn't been handed the cash to spend. Must be all that experience...

Having a laff.

United will be a force again - we will see. not for the next 2 years at least i would say, especially if you are relying that much on 2 new players.

Beneitez of Jose would be far better choices from the current crop of prem managers, given that they are both improving the sides they are working with...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:56 am

A team will never live forever tho will it, no team in history ever has, united were frankly lucky/blessed with thier 90's side and since then its been a gradual rebuild.
Consider they are still 2nd - and the weakest part of the side is obviously the midfield, a couple of really good midfield players would tip the balance as the rest of the side, even with a **** mid is good enough to keep them in 2nd.

I think Fergie has slowly made a new team, one that lacks that vital bone that Keane was, but I also belive there hasnt been a player of keanes ablity available to him.

Fot this reason I thin it harsh to judge him on the last 3 years, United have been in transtion, but have still kept apace, if you compare them to say Arsenal who were great only last year and now beaten for the 8th time compared to uniteds 3, they are hardley in a crisis. Fergie still knows what hes doing IMO and I think, if it were ever possible, and I doubt it would be, he would make a good England manager.

I know you dont like him I know alot of ppl dont like him, thats the way of football, but i think he still has it, I think united will have it again, and I think, if given the chance, ENgland could have it with Fergie. more so then Sven at the very least!

Anyhows I see big Sam is the bookies fav?

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:39 am

I love to hear Man Utd fans defending their team. A lot of them however must feel really lost because most of their supporters joined the fanclub around 1999 didn't they?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:30 pm

divebomb wrote:I love to hear Man Utd fans defending their team. A lot of them however must feel really lost because most of their supporters joined the fanclub around 1999 didn't they?

So lets look at this.

Are you saying I shouldnt defend my team? that would be a bit strange and demented I think.

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United have always had supporters, ive checked the history books and found we popular before the 99!

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:36 pm

Impactor returns 2.0
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:30:pm Post subject:
divebomb wrote:
I love to hear Man Utd fans defending their team. A lot of them however must feel really lost because most of their supporters joined the fanclub around 1999 didn't they?

So lets look at this.

Are you saying I shouldnt defend my team? that would be a bit strange and demented I think.

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United have always had supporters, ive checked the history books and found we popular before the 99!

Not a personal attack on you, but I have sooo many friends who suddenly remembered they were man utd fans in 1999, and now proclaim they don't even know who they are, lol!

I'm just saying a lot of the other fans get really defensive about how they haven't won anything for a while, get used to it, doubt they will win anything but the carling cup, and you never know wigan may just do you over like villa did in the coca cola cup in 94!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:38 pm

Ok fair enough - I disagree for obvious reasons but thats football for you!

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:17 am

Impactor returns 2.0
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:38:pm Post subject:
Ok fair enough - I disagree for obvious reasons but thats football for you!

I'm feelin the love impy, come and support a crap team like villa