xbox 360 recalls

Jazz · Post by **Jazz** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:59 am

yeah they have recalls aperetly they catch fire, that and they melt cd's so i just thought i let everyone know.

Post by **Denyer** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:30 am

Well done to Microsoft for commissioning a power supply for a living room device that doesn't run comfortably when placed on carpet... actually, that's a bit snarky considering there are likely to be a few deaths from this.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:56 am

Does anybody have a link to anything about this?

Post by **Denyer** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:58 am

Not the recall, but there's discussion about the PSU issue here:

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?si ... =211&tid=1

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:30 am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:51 am

I don't understand why everybody on the net is so surprised about this??

I mean, it was obvious that Microsoft did their utmost to get the console out before the competition, it was rushed.

And you know, it's Microsoft...

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:29 pm

Didn't the Ps2 slim version also catch fire?

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:05 pm

Obfleur wrote:Didn't the Ps2 slim version also catch fire?

if you hold a blow torch to it?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:01 pm

all consoles in history have had recalls. as has all hardware in history.

lets see last console released - PSP, dead pixels on screen - recalls.

Also on the subject of consoles catching fire due to being thick as [composite word including 'f*ck'].

many a super ness did the same when ppl put the transformers under mountain of books, guess what dip ****, it gets hot.

if you cant work out things like that you shouldnt have electrical goods.
not to mention the fact the sodding PSU has a warning sticker on it.
dic heads.

Gekigengar · Post by **Gekigengar** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:02 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:all consoles in history have had recalls. as has all hardware in history.

lets see last console released - PSP, dead pixels on screen - recalls.

Also on the subject of consoles catching fire due to being thick as ****.

many a super ness did the same when ppl put the transformers under mountain of books, guess what dip ****, it gets hot.

if you cant work out things like that you shouldnt have electrical goods.
not to mention the fact the sodding PSU has a warning sticker on it.
dic heads.

Geee... did you get up on the wrong side of the bed? :P
Just be lucky that you are not the poor soul who spent $3000.00+ from ebay on a bundled system only to be recalled.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:22 am

Gekigengar wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:all consoles in history have had recalls. as has all hardware in history.

lets see last console released - PSP, dead pixels on screen - recalls.

Also on the subject of consoles catching fire due to being thick as ****.

many a super ness did the same when ppl put the transformers under mountain of books, guess what dip ****, it gets hot.

if you cant work out things like that you shouldnt have electrical goods.
not to mention the fact the sodding PSU has a warning sticker on it.
dic heads.
Geee... did you get up on the wrong side of the bed? :P
Just be lucky that you are not the poor soul who spent $3000.00+ from ebay on a bundled system only to be recalled.

A. it wouldnt be the first time some twit spent $3k on ebay for a console.
and
B. it wouldnt be the first time a console is recalled.
and
C. PSU do overheat, its a common fault.

Its just MS bashing - its as bad as "NIntnedo killed my son" Headlines.

Post by **Denyer** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:36 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:C. PSU do overheat, its a common fault.

Its just MS bashing

The problem is severe enough to provoke a recall due to concerns for safety. End of story.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:21 pm

I'm gonna hafta go with Denyer this time. Sorry Impy.

Microsoft should have handled this better. They obviously didn't.

I have full faith that the Ninty hardware will be of a very thorougly checked quality. As, believe it or not, they have in the past few years showed a very high standard on such things.

(never heard of that Super Nes/famicom thing acctually, I might have to check it now. It might be a disgrace on the shield..)

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:40 pm

Denyer wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:C. PSU do overheat, its a common fault.

Its just MS bashing
The problem is severe enough to provoke a recall due to concerns for safety. End of story.

Just like it was on the super ness and mega drive and certain PC manufactueres and lamps and clocks and loads of other items.

Point is, this happens alot in the electronics buiss, we just wrote papers at Uni on the subject or prduct reliablity, and under Legislation there is a saftey margin.

So in short, its no different to any other fault in electrical history.

and guess what the out come will be?

BIGGER SAFTEY STICKER!

end of story

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:43 pm

Predabot wrote:I'm gonna hafta go with Denyer this time. Sorry Impy.

Microsoft should have handled this better. They obviously didn't.

I have full faith that the Ninty hardware will be of a very thorougly checked quality. As, believe it or not, they have in the past few years showed a very high standard on such things.

(never heard of that Super Nes/famicom thing acctually, I might have to check it now. It might be a disgrace on the shield..)

as above - MS has handled it correctly, recalled the product, what more can they, do exactly? run around to thicko [composite word including 'f*ck'] idoits who dont read saftey lables and have no brain?

no they recalled it so this time round they can stick a giant sticker on the bloody thing. see above.

Did you know all PSU catch fire when placed in the wrong place, thats right go look at a PSU now, see that sticker, thats a warning not to be thick.

so I have no time for crap headlines that state the obvious for stupid ppl and generally just want to take jabs at MS and its boring.

Stupid people, get brains.

Post by **Denyer** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:41 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:what more can they, do exactly?

Start off with a PSU that allows for more efficient cooling... probably something that's not miniaturised. The new X-Box is essentially a desktop PC in a tiny case, so it's drawing a decent amount of power. That sort of arrangement needs good fans and clear instructions, however unsexy that makes the end design.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:54 pm

its not minature tho is it? have u seen it? its freaking huge!!

Bottom line is

TV catch fire,
Videos,
DVD's
Coockers
Vacume cleaners
Dishwashers

you name it, its caught fire, that doesnt mean every single item in the range does tho, just some are faulty. thats the nature of mass production.

So shock horror there are some faulty 360 PSU, which according to sources is actually because dim wits hid the device in tight areas allowing it to overheat.

Crap story

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:28 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:TV catch fire

Yeah they do. Anyone remember when my house caught fire last winter? Freakin TV smoldering in the middle of the night.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:09 pm

I bought a 360 today, the advantage of my best friend being a gamestation manager.

I got home and saw the ridiculous prices they were going for on ebay and listed mine for sale. I could almost double my money. The profit I can use to go towards a lil hdtv so I can truly appreciate the visuals...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:25 pm

[composite word including 'f*ck'] - I want one...

Post by **Denyer** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:37 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:its not minature tho is it? have u seen it?

Yes. It's undersized for what it does. C'mon, we've both watched stuff catch fire or overheat. It's an almost-sealed unit driving a desktop PC equivalent; it would be suitable in a cleanroom office environment with ventilation.

This is not due to mass production. It wasn't produced with an average living-room or TV rack in mind. That's one advantage to opting for an integrated PSU—problems are more likely to come up in testing.

The reasons to go for an external PSU are transference of litigation, and so that the box of the console itself can be marketed as sleek and sexy despite the PSU being about half its size again.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:03 pm

the same can be leveled at game cubes external PSU and the super-ness and the mega drive and the Saturn, and the 3DO

they all had the same extranl units that im sure if I was to put in a non-ventelated area would most likely overheat and catch fire due to the nature of these things. Id wager that its happened with these other machines aswell at some point, the only difference being that this times its MS.

Essentially this will always happen with PSU's that are poorly placed, its not a new thing, I just get bored of headlines that are to all extents stating the obvious yet making it look like MS are these big bad guys.

I dislike bull crap press statements - I bet the story didnt go on to explain thats its not actually uncommon for this to happen.

Post by **Denyer** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:47 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I bet the story didnt go on to explain thats its not actually uncommon for this to happen.

Why bother, when the story is that it would be less likely to happen if decisions weren't made primarily for marketing and cost-cutting reasons?

Some of the things are overheating in normal, everyday use (i.e. conditions people have been safely running other consoles in) enough to cause hardware crashes. The product has been rushed to market in time for this holiday season. The product uses hardware that draws more power for sustained periods of time than older consoles tended to.

It's not uncommon for optical drive tray motors to pack up, either, but the model Sony chose for the PS2 during one or more production runs has a significantly higher failure rate than others.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:01 pm

Decided to keep my 360 in the end

Lovely machine. Very shiny, very intuitive and very noisy! The fan is SO loud!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:57 pm

Denyer wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I bet the story didnt go on to explain thats its not actually uncommon for this to happen.
Why bother, when the story is that it would be less likely to happen if decisions weren't made primarily for marketing and cost-cutting reasons?

Some of the things are overheating in normal, everyday use (i.e. conditions people have been safely running other consoles in) enough to cause hardware crashes. The product has been rushed to market in time for this holiday season. The product uses hardware that draws more power for sustained periods of time than older consoles tended to.

It's not uncommon for optical drive tray motors to pack up, either, but the model Sony chose for the PS2 during one or more production runs has a significantly higher failure rate than others.

PSU always overheat - they get hot by nature.

if there was a design flaw they would all be overheating, as it stands they dont so the story is rubbish and just hype aimed at MS.

Post by **Denyer** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:14 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:PSU always overheat

No, they don't. Overheat = exceed normal operational temperatures.

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:if there was a design flaw they would all be overheating

Not true. If a design takes into account production variance and ensures that temperatures remain well within safe margins, there's less chance of problems resulting. If the hardware is runs hot as standard, it's already closer to the range in which temperatures become dangerous.

Sufficient cooling is part and parcel of a safe design.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:27 pm

PSU are designed to run hot
they will overheat if not ventelated correctly because they run hot

the X360 PSU is no different to any other PSU - there is no design flaw

it clearly states do not cover the PSU, keep in a well ventelated area (which by law all PSU have to instruct) - the owner didnt follow the instructions. its his fault. and not MS.

the press story is just MS bashing and I have no time for it.

end of the day, MS has done nothing wrong - PSU always over heat when not treated correctly - thats just science.

Post by **Denyer** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:36 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:PSU are designed to run hot

= Design flaw, rendering a risk in home environment.

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:it clearly states do not cover the PSU, keep in a well ventelated area

Sitting a PSU on carpet (it being a living-room device) is a reasonable expectation. Likewise, it's designed to stand on end.

http://g-prime.net/x360/IMG_4762.JPG
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=463408

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:PSU always over heat when not treated correctly

Which would be a valid excuse, if they were being treated incorrectly.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:11 am

PSU are designed to run hot. operation temperatures.

are u suggesting that if a PSU gets hot thats a design flaw? because if u can find me 1 PSU that doesnt generate heat that will be a new kind of physics.

The man whos PSUcaught fire had covered the unit. he used it incorectly as stated by all PSU legislations on design.

his fault.

Post by **Denyer** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:57 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:are u suggesting that if a PSU gets hot thats a design flaw?

No.

Sitting a PSU on carpet (it being a living-room device) is a reasonable expectation.

Overheat = exceed normal operational temperatures.

Some of the things are overheating in normal, everyday use

It wasn't produced with an average living-room or TV rack in mind.

Start off with a PSU that allows for more efficient cooling... probably something that's not miniaturised.

The problem is severe enough to provoke a recall due to concerns for safety.