ghosts

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:49 pm

Hey everyone I find ghost stories fun and interesting, but I find the whole idea of ghosts impractible. since you all live in places founded way before Seattle or Salt Lake City were pelase tell me your thoughts.

Post by **Best First** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:02 pm

why is it 'impractical'?

i could probably work that back to a critique your faith here but it seems to easy and i'm quite tired.

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sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:57 am

Yes, but not easy enough to use the correct spelling of too.
Faith, when used correctly is suppose to help you be nice to people, so I see a use for it. I don't see a point to ghost moaning and reliving horrifying experiences. This isn't a faith topic I just was curious what people from cities with a much older history believe about ghosts and such. (By the way all this posts are from Chrissy I just don't want to go to the pesky hassle of signing myself in.)
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Post by **Best First** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:57 am

sprunkner wrote:Yes, but not easy enough to use the correct spelling of too.

mmm, i care, really.

Faith, when used correctly

according to who?

I don't see a point to ghost moaning and reliving horrifying experiences.

a) i think there are plenty of ghost stories that aren't about anything horrific
b) who's to say that its done through choice?
c) Who's to say the ghost is concious? Maybe its just more of a strong memory

I don't think ghosts, if they exist, neccessarily have such obvious and easy to understand motives.

This isn't a faith topic I just was curious what people from cities with a much older history believe about ghosts and such.
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sorry, i just fid the idea of someone who believes in God saying the notion of ghosts seems a bit 'impractical' a little hard to swallow. Selective rationality. marvelous.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:07 am

Don't believe in ghosts.

However, once in my old house in the dead of night i was watching telly in the living room when I heard someone say something right behind me. Freaked me right out. No one else was in the house.

Since I don't believe in ghosts the only explanation is I must have gone mentalist.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:10 am

i'm a ghost agnostic.

heard a few stories that are pretty convincing mind, from people i don't consider to be BS's

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:10 pm

I dont belive in ghosts either - ive heard some good stories tho..

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:58 pm

I've heard stories, but I usually treat them with a healthy dose of scepticism. I have a theory that certain types of granite and other rock may have a magnetic field that can "record" an atmosphere or event in much the same way a strip of magnetic videotape can record a TV show, but I've never seen anything to make me really believe in ghosts.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:06 pm

Best First wrote:i'm a ghost agnostic.

Could you please explain in excruciating detail what that means? Cause I honestly have no idea.

As for seeing ghosts, aren't there supposed to be a place somewhere in the UK, Exmoor or some such, that has apparently had one of the bloodiest battles in brittains history, where there's basically a monthly sighting or two, of various strange happenings, at both day and night?

The wonders of Discovery channel, eh?

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:09 pm

I think what Besters means by agnostic is neither believes nor disbelieves in ghosts...

I dunno what to believe to be honest, I kind of like the idea of the supernatural but have never experienced anything of the sort.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:31 pm

I'm in the same boat as Besty and Hound.

I've seen and heard things I couldn't explain or that don't make sense, and yet I don't know that I've ever had a supernatural experience.

Most supposedly supernatural experiences, IMO, are the results of uninformed and overactive imaginations. However, I must stress that when I say 'most', I do not mean 'all'.

Sight and hearing are quite easy senses to fool, you know.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:42 am

I refuse to belive in them because I cant see the point in them.

I am a ghost, u might see me u might not - i mean if they did exist and thier point was to like float about and communicate then why not stop hiding in the shadows and just come out and go -"hello im a ghost"

all a bit vague to have a point to them

Jazz · Post by **Jazz** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:26 am

lots of hunted things in and arround the PA / pittspugh area. take Pitt for example the collage. big hunted history behind this 1 dorm and from what i rember they had the pad locks on the fdoor and it was chained up so none gets in it. and at duquese hunted dorm but someone lives in it and you can see the ghost thing toss stuff across the room. saw it believe it and not gona go into it.

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:56 pm

Have you come accross the 'orb' phenomenon?

I have seen plenty of evidence to believe that these things exist. Many people believe they are supernatural / ghosts. I maintain an open mind. Its something, but I don't know what. Many that you see on the net can be explained (effects of the camara flash on dust particles / reflections etc), however there are a significant number that defy those sort of explainations......

One example of my own: my wife took some pictures when we were visting a castle. Many of the pictures show orbs, however, one was partially behind my son's head. If it was any of the standard explanations (dust near the lens reflecting the flash, etc) it should be in front of him........

And, I only seem to get orbs when visiting historical sites.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:39 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:I have a theory that certain types of granite and other rock may have a magnetic field that can "record" an atmosphere or event in much the same way a strip of magnetic videotape can record a TV show, but I've never seen anything to make me really believe in ghosts.

A kind of "visual echo" thing, right?

That's usually my rationalisation.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:00 pm

I killed a ghost once.

With my bare hands.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:48 pm

Well, my opinion is that there is something there that we haven't managed to explain yet, although i think i am starting to lean towards the echo/imprint that MV and Brend mentioned, but then there appears to
be other, more interactive events, but maybe those can be put down to people's minds filling in blanks (as the human mind seems to like doing so well).

Rebis wrote:Sight and hearing are quite easy senses to fool, you know.

Most definitely! That's why i'm not jumping up and down saying "Ghost's exist!" after experiencing some of the things i've experiences i've had in the past.

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I refuse to belive in them because I cant see the point in them.

I'm sorry, but that's a bit naff IMHO, I can't see the point of lots of things, but i know they exist...

On a very slight tangent, who remember's GhostWatch? It was broadcast on halloween back in '92 and loads of people thought it was real? Just found it on bit-torrent and watched it again after 13 years...
Up to a point, i can see why people might have thought it was real (despite it having "written by" credits at the beginning), but then it goes hell for lever overboard... I reckon that those guys that made Blair Witch must have seen it, as there are some similar moments in it.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:46 pm

GhostWatch scared the **** out of me at the time.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:58 pm

Legion wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I refuse to belive in them because I cant see the point in them.
I'm sorry, but that's a bit naff IMHO, I can't see the point of lots of things, but i know they exist...

which is why I went onto explain...

Ghosts dont fit into any design concept unless you belive in religous episodes.

Why are there ghosts? what do they do, why do they only manifest themselves slightly.

Im a ghost look at me. what, u didnt see or belive me? - well thats my entire existence up the duff.

The more I think about the concept of ghosts the less i belive.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:21 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:GhostWatch scared the **** out of me at the time.

heh, yeah it put the frightners on me too at the time! watching now, i just can't help think of "Most Haunted"...

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
Legion wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I refuse to belive in them because I cant see the point in them.
I'm sorry, but that's a bit naff IMHO, I can't see the point of lots of things, but i know they exist...
which is why I went onto explain...

Ghosts dont fit into any design concept unless you belive in religous episodes.

Why are there ghosts? what do they do, why do they only manifest themselves slightly.

Im a ghost look at me. what, u didnt see or belive me? - well thats my entire existence up the duff.

Really? Is that why the Church doesn't really like to talk about them?
In any case, i don't see that you have to believe in religion to beleive in ghosts, i'm not religious, but i believe that there might be ghosts.

Besides, there is so much we don't understand about life and the human concious, i think it can be fairly blinkered to discount anything that might or might not exist purely because it is hard to understand the reason for being.
It'd be like when people thought the world was flat, or that the sun revolved around the Earth. People at the time had no reason to beleive otherwise, so they were adament that that beleif was true, anyone that thought otherwise was considered a wacko (or worse i should imagine). Nowadays we know that that was incorrect because our understanding of the universe has expanded since then.

There is evidence to suggest that they do exist, therefore until that evidence is proven to be untrue, in my mind, we have to at least be aware of the possibily and not just discard it because it doesn't fit into our current mindset.

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:The more I think about the concept of ghosts the less i belive.

If that's your choice, then that's cool, i just think differently to you on this, that's all.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:38 pm

yep - saying ghosts definitely don't exist deosn't seem to eb any smarter than saying ghosts definitely don't, given what we don't know about them.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:53 pm

They just seem a human concept to me.

Why would thier be ghosts? so the dead can comunicate with the living? why?
do we get plant ghosts aswell or does it only go as far as humans with brains and stuff?

And if ghosts can just materilise why dont they just do it like all the time instead of randomly appearing for ppl to be 50/50 sure about thier exsitnece?

Ghost 1 - "watch me scare this guy"
Ghost 2 - "damm he didnt see you, do it again"
Ghost 3 - " no way! then he might no im a ghost!"

the mytholagy of ghosts is as good as gods in my book, they serve lil purpose other then to create good stories but when u think about it the concept is flawed.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:21 am

Best First wrote:yep - saying ghosts definitely don't exist deosn't seem to eb any smarter than saying ghosts definitely don't, given what we don't know about them.

By far my favourite piece of "Besty logic" ever.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:25 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Why would thier be ghosts? so the dead can comunicate with the living? why?
do we get plant ghosts aswell or does it only go as far as humans with brains and stuff?

well, if (A) we says ghosts exist, their "purpose" can't be to communicate with the living, otherwise it would happen a lot more commonly... and (B) if ghosts don't exist, then what the hell has been going on in "documented" hauntings where ghosts have communicated?

as for what can be a ghost and what can't... i've read about "ghost" animals & pets, so (if we're assuming that it's true) i would guess that a certain level of intelligence/awareness/conciousness* is needed...

*delete where applicable

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:43 am

so intelligence is required to become a ghost, isnt that a bit of a human concept? - lets just say it does work that way then why do u 'become' a ghost, to haunt, comunicate? if its conunication then why choose to be so vauge about it, if u have the ablity to manifest yourself then just do it, why be so vauge?

If when u die, and u can become ghost, can everyone? or is there some human stipulation based upon some part or aspect of your life?
again thats a human design on deciding whats bad and whats not.
are all ghosts evil, again this idea is based upon human concepts.
this doesnt work for me.

As for documented evidence thee is a parnormal/psychic team in the states that will pay anyone who can prove a paranormal or psychic phenomenom 1 million dollars.

to date the team has run 1000's of tests, watched crap loads of 'documented' evidence and not paid out due to lack of, or coincidence or hoax.
so as for documentation being 'proof' im with the these guys who have seen more then most and so far none of its been true.

Im going to have to have this team go *whoah thats a ghost!" or see it with my own eyes to belive to it.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:31 am

This roll of Sellotape is a ghost, and so is this van. [/Look Around You]

There may be ghosts out there, there might not be. I don't believe in them in the sense that it's not something that ever keeps me awake at night, and I seriously doubt the chances of me ever encountering one are particularly high. I suppose I used to believe in them when I was a kid but now years go by without me ever thinking about ghosts except in a purely fictional sense.

Mostly I think people want to believe in ghosts because it assures them that there is something after you die. It's a bit like our old friend religion in that respect. Fortunately people who believe in ghosts have no social structure or political power, otherwise our world might be even more screwed up than it already is.

While we're on the subject, you can mark me down as also decidedly sceptical about goblins, fairies, prophets, demons, elves, UFOs, wraiths, orcs, dragons, Tarot cards, messiahs, pyramid power, vampires, mesmerism, faeries, palmistry, black magic, the Loch Ness monster, trolls, astrology, white magic, daemons, monkeys with wings, gods, centaurs, telepathy, psychics, banshees, magic or magick in general, Voodoo, angels, spirits, incubi and succubi, Bigfoot, witchdoctors, necromancy, mermaids, basilisks, Scientology, ogres, curses, faith healers, talking animals, zombies, werewolves, gorgons, chupacabras, Wicca, miracles, I-Ching, mystics, phrenology, Atlantis, pixies, past lives, telekinesis, table-tilting, the wendigo, possession (in The Exorcist sense of the word), the Mongolian death worm, ectoplasm, gnomes, geomancy, reading tea leaves, levitation and the belief that Elvis is still alive.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:31 am

What strikes me as interesting in that list is Voodoo. Haven't there been a few documentaries and articles about the fact that the practitioners of this perticular form of "schamanism" (can't think of a better word..) acctually do have some quasi-medical knowledge?

And that well, I saw something on the telly a few years ago, where it would seem as if indeed, they've got a certain toxin wich when administered puts the victim in a catatonic state, and when given another one, they awaken, but not quite, leaving them in a prolonged state of extreme vulnerability to suggestion, like a "zombie".

Don't know if it was all really bollocks, but surely, there's some scientific base for chemicals with such effects? As for the dolls and needles.. eh.. well, I guess that people who believe in it, and see a guy sticking needles into a doll that looks like em' can self-suggest himself into acctually feeling small amounts of pain. And as such, it just continues to be an effective way of seeking vengeance in the region of practicion.

And the la chupakabra!

This one, I think, is the most plausible of them all, since
A) We do have a great variety of animals that feed on blood.
B) New animals does happen to be found now and then.
C) why would all those farmers keep killing their chickens just to keep the myth alive, and in such manor in perticular??

Wether it's a perticularly big brand of bat, or some imported fox or anything has yet to be proven tho.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:39 am

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:48 pm

Last night (Halloween) about 11:30 this little gray cat I had never seen before showed up at our house. We gave it some milk and a small piece of fish from the freezer. I started thinking and, though I'm not superstitious other than my religious beliefs, if I were, there would be absolutely no way this kitty was not one of the Wee Folk in disguise.

I mean, middle of the night-- Halloween-- strange kitty-- totally fairie.

I'll let everyone know if my house is mysteriously cleaned or my bills mysteriously paid.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:01 pm

I believe in cats