Marvels' house of M (Big spoilers).

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:16 am

Anybody been reading "House of M"?

It's been a very enjoyable story but there are some strong repercussions

It appears that in the Marvel universe the mutant number is going to be drastically reduced by 96% to under 300 mutants. 198 being a quoted number.

Mutants who lose their powers include Jubilee, Chamber, Quicksilver and possibly Wolverine.
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Deci ... erence.htm

Thoughts?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:25 am

Chamber's gonna be fun without his powers. "Look ma - no jaw!"

Like they'd ever strip Wolverine of his powers permanently.

My only involvement with the whole House of M thing was buying the first issue and catching the issues of Exiles that intersected with it. Which were, obviously, cracking.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:41 am

It's been a really good read so far. Wandas last words in issue 7 were haunting.

Oh and possibly Iceman won't have his mutant powers either.

I believe the rule is that the changes will last for 5 or 6 years or as long as Quesada is in charge.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:51 am

How much of the ******* thing do I need to read to know what's going on?

Can I just grab the main HoM book, or do I need to read all the spin-offs as well? Because if that is the case, sod it.

Probably just wait for the inevitable TPB.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:01 am

Nope. Marvel policy on spins offs is you shouldn't need to read another title understand the main one or the one you want to collect.

Quesada is very keane on that idea.

However the reprocussions look like they will be massive. For some titles

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:03 am

Jetfire wrote:Quesada is very keane on that idea.

However the reprocussions look like they will be massive. For some titles

Everybody's changing, eh?

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:04 am

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:26 am

HOM has been okay, for me. I likes me the Bendis, but it's not been as grabbing as I thought it would.
My fave bit so far was probably when they gave Spidey his memory back. That was sooooo awful (not the work itself, the circumstances, the event...poor Peter.)
Although the Hawkeye/Scarlet Witch confrontation was good, too.

The no powers thing. This means that the characters will become humans, not mutants-without-access-to-powers, tho, right? As the art shows Chamber being depowered, and if he didn't have his powers, uh....he'd die. Or at least that's the inference from the way his powers have been described, isn't it? The whole has no upper chest, lower head, no need to eat breathe living psionic battery etc.

As intriguing as an actual change up (which the mutant books were sorely needing) as DeciMation is, I will miss mutants being an actual representative subculture minority, instead of the passengers on an weekday afternoon Edinburgh-to-Glasgow train.

I heard Wolvie keeps his powers but gets all his memories back. So he goes off on a world-tour looking up things from his past he didn't know about.
How he'll fit that in with being on at least 2 X-Teams I dunno...

As interesting as this all is for the mutants, I've been enjoying Marvel Hero books a lot more than Marvel X books of recent years...something that was exactly the opposite when I was a teenager.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:37 am

Weadon's Astonishing X-Men is the best new thing I've read in mainstream Marvel. Marvel should force him to a five year contract.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:48 am

^Mmm, it's been lovely. Shame they apparently dicked him around a little with (not) letting him in on exactly what was going on in HoM.

Have you seen the cover for the special that's coming out in Jan? It's sweeeet.
Tho seems to have Scott burning something with his eye-beams...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/ ... ing6rm.jpg

...this is probably a good thread to squee about a page of John Cassaday art me and the missus bought last month which finally arrived last week. I've wanted a page for ages, but all the good Planetary ones were gone. So were all the Colossus ones from Ast X, but I was lucky enough to get my next favourite page after those ones; the 'best X-Dragon ever' page from #2.
Phone-pic as digicam is currently lost.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/ ... ure-1a.jpg
It's awesome and I feel very lucky to have it.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:13 am

KingMob wrote: As interesting as this all is for the mutants, I've been enjoying Marvel Hero books a lot more than Marvel X books of recent years...something that was exactly the opposite when I was a teenager.

i'm exactly the same. There were an awful lot of good x books back then.

not sure about this whole getting rid of the mutants thing, like you say the idea they are a minority works so well, but if they are now just going to essentially be a bunch of good guys and bad guys who happen to get their powers from mutation.. hmm.

Plus Chamber is ace. Or at least he was when Lobdell wrote him.

I think my main concern with stuff like this is always that you know they will revert it at some point, which in a way just draws attention to the fact that this is essentially a gimmick.

Be cool if both Chuck and Mags were among the depowered though...

and Chris Clairmont.

My comic shop needs to start sening my stuff more regularly...

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:34 am

Best First wrote:
KingMob wrote: As interesting as this all is for the mutants, I've been enjoying Marvel Hero books a lot more than Marvel X books of recent years...something that was exactly the opposite when I was a teenager.
i'm exactly the same. There were an awful lot of good x books back then.

not sure about this whole getting rid of the mutants thing, like you say the idea they are a minority works so well, but if they are now just going to essentially be a bunch of good guys and bad guys who happen to get their powers from mutation.. hmm.

Plus Chamber is ace. Or at least he was when Lobdell wrote him.

I've been sorting out my old comics this week and I forgot how brilliant Lobdell was. He was very inconsistent (I blame that on the fact he had to accomidate 20 other writers because of a intrusive editor who insisted on 5 X-overs a year) but his good stuff (Astonishing X-men, Early Gen X, those character based issues like Jean proposing to Cyke, Eve of destruction) was brilliant.

I think my main concern with stuff like this is always that you know they will revert it at some point, which in a way just draws attention to the fact that this is essentially a gimmick.

Be cool if both Chuck and Mags were among the depowered though...

and Chris Clairmont.

I was thinking that. I suspect Magneto will indeed be depowered from various hints. And Chris Claremont was depowered of his writing abilities back in 1991, they just forget that whenever they rehire him.

My comic shop needs to start sening my stuff more regularly...

I think my main concern with stuff like this is always that you know they will revert it at some point, which in a way just draws attention to the fact that this is essentially a gimmick.

Quesada was insisted that there will be no back turn for 5 or 6 years (Which have been planned out) which is a fairly lengthy period of time. I'm sure edventually there will be more mutants however I'm sure it won't go back to the marvel universe being esentially mutant world.Having a only a small number of mutants poping up and being a new phenonom makes the marvel universe feel more 'real' in that it gets believeably closer to reality.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:59 am

they need to pair down the x books and get some serious talent on them after this imo.

my preference:

2 Core titles
X-Force
Wolverine

that's it.

never happen of course.

Altho i kinda miss X-Factor and Excaliber, although X-Facotr was always misfiring i gleaned some wierd enjoyment from it. Strong guy was fun.

i'd love Gen X back in something akin to its original form, but i think that would take too much retconning.

all this new stuff, NYX, Precinct X, New X-men Acadamey - don't care at all.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:06 pm

Best First wrote:Altho i kinda miss X-Factor

saturday itv1, repeated sunday i beleive...

*runs for the hills*

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:14 pm

Best First wrote:they need to pair down the x books and get some serious talent on them after this imo.

my preference:

2 Core titles
X-Force
Wolverine

that's it.

never happen of course.

Altho i kinda miss X-Factor and Excaliber, although X-Facotr was always misfiring i gleaned some wierd enjoyment from it. Strong guy was fun.

i'd love Gen X back in something akin to its original form, but i think that would take too much retconning.

all this new stuff, NYX, Precinct X, New X-men Acadamey - don't care at all.

I suspose New X-men acadamey is basically Generation X but otherwise I totally agree. If they have to make money off the cash cow X brand then I'd prefer lots of non-esential mini's. Mini's running along side rather than loads of crap titles with even more new characters which are just younger versions of many of the old would work better as characters can be given more focus that doesn't occur in the main titles and hence actually has a purpose.

I'd take a X-factor title that was written by Peter David and had Quicksilver, Maddox and Strong Guy in the line up. Excalibur is returning and it appears it's going back to it's British team lead by Captain Britain roots rather than shadow X-title clone.

Precinct X, NYX etc is being stopped anyway.

And I'd love Wolverine not to appear in several thousand books each month. I mean, being on 3 X-titles, his own mini, New Avengers and several crossover appearences is bloody ridiculous. As parodied these brilliant flash cartoons:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=251383

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/218160

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/219810

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:49 pm

Jetfire wrote:I'd take a X-factor title that was written by Peter David and had Quicksilver, Maddox and Strong Guy in the line up. Excalibur is returning and it appears it's going back to it's British team lead by Captain Britain roots rather than shadow X-title clone.

New X-Factor is being written by David. Jamie, Guido, Siryn, Rictor, Wolfsbane and M are in it.

There are more of those flash cartoons:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/257930

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/273812

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:12 pm

Fantastic. It should be good

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:19 pm

We need bigger spoilers.

At least this size.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:47 pm

New Avengers is ace mind.

X-Factor needs Forge IMO.

I know Academy is kind of Gen X, but Gen X had a fantastic creative team (to start) and Academy seems wank.

Excalibur coul be fun, although they will struggle to top Ellis's run.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:58 pm

I haven't read Academy X but it's been highly regarded.
However certain creators tend to get cart blanche regardless of their actural ability. All because in Quesada's mind they arethe best thing since sliced bread.

For example Brian Michael Bendis, while quite good, gets to write everything he wants, Avengers, Spider-man, X-Men (House of M has focused more on the X characters than anything so I regard it as mostly a X-men dispite it's origins in Avengers). Also the fact that New Avengers is the only comic not to have tie in's with the crossover.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:14 pm

I don't think i have reada bad comic by Bendis tbh so i don't really mind.

What i have read of academy x has ben pretty much by the numbers.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:22 pm

Bendis is good, not without flaw (Action isn't his strongest point) but I do love reading his character interactions.

He hates Wanda though.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:00 pm

Bendis s'allright. I'm worried that he'll be like so many other good Marvel writers (think Fabian Nicieza and Kurt Busiek) and end up writing everything, burn out, and become an industry joke.

That was the overly nihilistic version, but you get the idea.

Those cartoons are brilliant. I didn't know there were five. I had only seen the two.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:07 pm

I thought Chamber was 'fixed' in Weapon X, hence his de-powering wont be a problem.

It would be a shame if Iceman lost his powers, but then I guess one of the original 5 will be effected to add some drama....Beast maybe? He has been evolving since Morrison got involved so it would make sense to undo his work....

Rogue maybe? She has been pretty damn dull for a number of years.

*edit*

On an aside, the concept has potential. Xmen has been sterile for a couple of years now, maybe this will be the boost it needs.

Plus Dazzler is back soon. I love Dazzler

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:11 pm

Hound wrote:I thought Chamber was 'fixed' in Weapon X, hence his de-powering wont be a problem.

It would be a shame if Iceman lost his powers, but then I guess one of the original 5 will be effected to add some drama....Beast maybe? He has been evolving since Morrison got involved so it would make sense to undo his work....

Chamber blew open his chest again since Weapon X repaired it.

Rogue maybe? She has been pretty damn dull for a number of years.

Indeed. I rememebr when she was a great character and a great metaphore for how mutant powers can bring you isolation.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:25 pm

Jetfire wrote:
He hates Wanda though.

she is kind of irritating.

those cartoons are mint.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:58 pm

Best First wrote:
Jetfire wrote:
He hates Wanda though.
she is kind of irritating.

those cartoons are mint.

The guy is brilliant. Really persective.

Emma Frost: I hope we aren't being dragged across town because one of those lemmings got themselves killed again?

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:47 am

Obfleur wrote:We need bigger spoilers.

At least this size.

Quicksilver did it

Jetfire wrote:Having a only a small number of mutants poping up and being a new phenonom makes the marvel universe feel more 'real' in that it gets believeably closer to reality.

Which is what happened before, and they decided to escape the implications and reset reality. Can't do that again in 10 years....oh, wait, sure they can.
And it isn't a complete mind wipe is it? Some people at least seem to remember what was done and this fuels the mad-ons against mutants. If that is the case the popping up of mutants is something that everyone will have seen before and be preapred for, with welcoming arms or the more likely other possibility.
Poor mutants.

TBH, I'm more interested in the depowered characters and their fates than the ones who are left mutants.

Thought Academy X was okay, and seen complements due to it's pushing the envelope, but to an old-school Gen X fan, it comes across as very Mutant High 90210, IMHO. I would hesitate to recommend it to anyone here, knowing the Gen X love, although it is a decent comic.
Felt that it's mini-series, Hellions, was better.

However certain creators tend to get cart blanche regardless of their actural ability. All because in Quesada's mind they arethe best thing since sliced bread.

For example Brian Michael Bendis, while quite good, gets to write everything he wants, Avengers, Spider-man, X-Men (House of M has focused more on the X characters than anything so I regard it as mostly a X-men dispite it's origins in Avengers).

Bendis hardly gets to write whatever he wants. It's not like he rings JoeyQ up and says "I've got an idea for a new book!" and JoeytheQ just goes "It'll be printed by this time next month!"
He has to submit proposals just like anyone else, which go before Quesada, Avi Arad and others. They get tossed around by the editors and green lit if a goer. He's had knockbacks and censorship. Spider-Woman springs to mind. And the ideas for House of M and New Avengers came from Mark Millar, anyway.
Bendis has always been a prolific creator, has easily been having more than one comic on the go at any one time for years, and most of them are top class.

The 'favourtism' he could be accused of is writing about characters he likes, ie Cage, Spider-Woman. However, he has the chops to make decent stories, not fanwank like, oh, Mad Brick or someone.

Also the fact that New Avengers is the only comic not to have tie in's with the crossover.

?
Off the top of my head:
Runaways <- Anyone that likes X-Men and Buffy and isn't reading this, really, really, really should.
Defenders
Punisher + Punisher vs Daredevil
Young Avengers
Ghost Rider
Daredevil
Iron Man's solo ltd. series went on hiatus so Iron Man HoM could come out, didn't it? Or was that due to delays? Haven't been getting it.

Also, pretty much the whole cast of New Avengers....are in House of M (the series). What would New Avengers HoM be about, the Sentry and Jarvis?
Perhaps it will do an HoM storyline later, like Wolverine has done. Doubt it tho. I can see why they would want to keep their flagship main line title clear.
HoM isn't a full company-wide crossover, despite what the hype may say.
Wanda is mince. Get on, Hawkeye.
Speaking of Hawkeye, check out the new (not in HoM either) She-Hulk...

Yeah, I wonder what will happen to Rogue...did anyone here read her limited series?

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:12 pm

I figured I wouldn't pick up House of M because I had to stretch my wallet for Spider-Man "The Other" and then I was torn and conundrummed because Pat Lee was doing some of the issues.

But FN Spider-Man is Peter David and Mike Wieringo... oh, yea.

I don't get why Marvel keeps launching new Spidey titles. Spectacular was so Paul Jenkins and Ramos could get a new start? Couldn't they have just hyped up the PP:SM title? And now another new title for David and Wieringo? Couldn't they have just taken over Spectacular?

On the other side of things... I'm not so sure Marvel needs to try and keep back the number of X-books. It's become such a rich setting with so many characters and so many good and bad stories. Some of my favorite comics were the X-force "Road Trip" stories where they just hit the road and started acting normal. I thought NYX was all right, too. And obviously Astonishing is a superfluous title in appearance.

As I think I said in the other thread, if this is an editorial thing, then it won't work. But if there is a serious, heavy storyline behind it then it will.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:31 am

Is Marvel Knights Spidey any cop?
Spidey fans, pick up Marvel Team-Up #14 if you can, it's great. Plus, Invincible.

So, HoM #8 was quite good as an issue, I thought. Shocking and callous in all the right places. And Wolverine got the line of the series. Still not keen on the DeciMation idea though.

Yeah, so SPOILERS obv.

The X-gene gets removed from the affected mutants. So they become human. People with physical mutantices change appearance to 'normal' human. Not a simple depowering or 'switching off'.

No longer mutant for sure:
Magneto
Iceman
Tag

No longer mutant by inference:
A large portion of the cast of Academy X, pretty much most of the kids in the school
Prof X (might be dead instead)
Scarlet Witch (?)

Still mutant:
Cyke
Emma
Wolverine
Shadowcat
Beast
Colossus
Nightcrawler

As well as the expected reveals on Chamber and Jubilee, I heard Beak, Angel and all their kids except one (who's called Tito) go non-mutant also.
Previews for other comics show that the Blob is non-mutant while Bishop is.
And Wolverine appears to have all his memories back.

Srtyker pops up on TV to claim that this overnight "cleasning" of the "abomination" that is mutantcy is God's judgement and that they are a "disease of decadence" that needs to be wiped out. Sounds like that crazy yank minister bloke who claims that natural disasters are God's attempts to wipe out homosexuals...

Most people don't remember what happened in the House of M. A new gov agency is mentioned that must be what Sentinel O.N.E. is going to be about.

Looks like Hawkeye made it. If he did, he's in a strop.

X-Factor: will rock
New Excalibur: will suck

Any guesses if the thing at the end was anything specific...?