The new creative team on ULTIMATES V3
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...Is Jeph Loeb and Joe Madureira...I tottally didn't see that one coming.
Ok, people, those of you who read it, what's your take on this?
The current v2 is rocking house beyond mortal ken, and seems to have all the makings of becoming legendary. Much thanks to the tone, look and feel that writer Mark Millar and artist Bryan Hitch has managed to create.
Now, I enjoyed Loebs Superman/Batman arcs, "Supergirl from Krypton" and "Absolute Power" (the current one is crap tho), and I've heard that his "Batman: The long Halloween" is quite good, but he doesn't exactly seem to have the style necessary for the world of the Ultimates to me?
And Joe Madureira... this is the biggest concern to me. I enjoyed his art-style very much when I was younger, but I've grown older now, and no longer see anything astonishing about it, plus the little fact that he's been gone for years from the comic-scene, doing video-game art, so he's rustier than a broken old traktor.
At first, I did the natural reaction, and banged my head against all the walls in the vicinity and raged around at various online resources, but now, after carefully taking in the creators words that the last thing they wants is someone coming in after them and aping their style, and thinking about the creators more thoroughly I've come to the conclusion that: "could be cool..."
Now, what do you brave and bold at TransFans, who reads Ultimates, feel about this recent change of events?
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Apparently there's preview-art of Mad's in this months Wizard #168, does anyone have that? And can perhaps give some thoughts, and maybe just maybe, a small scan?
EDIT: This just in. Some of the preview art has been posted. On the Allspark. Immense thanks to Darkstream of The Allspark Forums for posting this. Legal or not.
Linkage: http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.ph ... opic=80989
...Is Jeph Loeb and Joe Madureira...I tottally didn't see that one coming.
Ok, people, those of you who read it, what's your take on this?
The current v2 is rocking house beyond mortal ken, and seems to have all the makings of becoming legendary. Much thanks to the tone, look and feel that writer Mark Millar and artist Bryan Hitch has managed to create.
Now, I enjoyed Loebs Superman/Batman arcs, "Supergirl from Krypton" and "Absolute Power" (the current one is crap tho), and I've heard that his "Batman: The long Halloween" is quite good, but he doesn't exactly seem to have the style necessary for the world of the Ultimates to me?
And Joe Madureira... this is the biggest concern to me. I enjoyed his art-style very much when I was younger, but I've grown older now, and no longer see anything astonishing about it, plus the little fact that he's been gone for years from the comic-scene, doing video-game art, so he's rustier than a broken old traktor.
At first, I did the natural reaction, and banged my head against all the walls in the vicinity and raged around at various online resources, but now, after carefully taking in the creators words that the last thing they wants is someone coming in after them and aping their style, and thinking about the creators more thoroughly I've come to the conclusion that: "could be cool..."
Now, what do you brave and bold at TransFans, who reads Ultimates, feel about this recent change of events?
Linkage: http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthr ... adid=42119
Apparently there's preview-art of Mad's in this months Wizard #168, does anyone have that? And can perhaps give some thoughts, and maybe just maybe, a small scan?
EDIT: This just in. Some of the preview art has been posted. On the Allspark. Immense thanks to Darkstream of The Allspark Forums for posting this. Legal or not.
Linkage: http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.ph ... opic=80989
When the first Ultimates came out, I was floored. The first 6 issues were fresh, gritty, and smart. Then the next 6 issues had some neat stuff, but it was a little shallow and confusing. Ultimate War and Ultimate Nightmare were both good, but by the time vol 2 got underway, it was just depressing.
Don't get me wrong, the realistic, militarized approach is a refreshing change of pace. However, the endless cynicism and backstabbing are getting old. Sometimes it feels like the Ultimates spend more energy fighting each other than fighting the bad guys. I'd like it if the heroes actually started acting like heroes.
When Ultimate Cap starts having more in common with the Punisher than regular Cap, it's time to pull back a little.
-J
Don't get me wrong, the realistic, militarized approach is a refreshing change of pace. However, the endless cynicism and backstabbing are getting old. Sometimes it feels like the Ultimates spend more energy fighting each other than fighting the bad guys. I'd like it if the heroes actually started acting like heroes.
When Ultimate Cap starts having more in common with the Punisher than regular Cap, it's time to pull back a little.
-J
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Meh, I follow creators over properties. I was planning on leaving this title when Millar and Hitch went, this doesn't change my opinion.
Never read anything by Loeb, - tho I understand he is a very spandex kind of writer - and Joe Mad is someone I liked when I was a teenager and addicted to all X-Men comics, but I doubt he'll hold much appeal to me now.
It's a big switch in style, but them's the breaks, it's a franchise book. And yeah, with 616 Marvel books - including New Avengers - continually going for grim, 'street-level' atmospheres and serious "Everything you know is wrong!" stories, it's not surprising they would take the chance to brighten up the Ultimates, IMHO.
Ultimates vol 2 is good - but is somewhat dour. Last issue....holy crap.
No Hulk, either.
Never read anything by Loeb, - tho I understand he is a very spandex kind of writer - and Joe Mad is someone I liked when I was a teenager and addicted to all X-Men comics, but I doubt he'll hold much appeal to me now.
It's a big switch in style, but them's the breaks, it's a franchise book. And yeah, with 616 Marvel books - including New Avengers - continually going for grim, 'street-level' atmospheres and serious "Everything you know is wrong!" stories, it's not surprising they would take the chance to brighten up the Ultimates, IMHO.
Ultimates vol 2 is good - but is somewhat dour. Last issue....holy crap.
No Hulk, either.
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Ok, so most people seem to share my concerns about art and such. But I really think those that are hesitant because of the minis should put their doubt behind them and track down Ultimates v2. The first TPB of v2 is apparently coming out pretty soon.
Come on... they introduce Ultimate Captain Britain!
BTW, what did all of you think about the Preview art? I acctually think it looks like if Madureira has improved a bit, oddly enough. I like the Hulk. But I'm still not sure how he'll work on the book. Hopefully these lads will only stick around for a 6 issue arc. Seeing as apparently shorter runs work the best for Loeb's writing.
Currently I can't read Astonishing and NA, cause in sweden we just finished Morrisons Planet X and the Spidey organic Webshooters arc. So we haven't reached even the beginning of those yet. I think the Spidey-stuff has gotten ahead of the X-men stuff tho, no?
Come on... they introduce Ultimate Captain Britain!
BTW, what did all of you think about the Preview art? I acctually think it looks like if Madureira has improved a bit, oddly enough. I like the Hulk. But I'm still not sure how he'll work on the book. Hopefully these lads will only stick around for a 6 issue arc. Seeing as apparently shorter runs work the best for Loeb's writing.
You lucky dawg you!Best First wrote:just rang my shop, think i have...
about 4 months of stuff on the way.
Better not be missing any New Avengers, Ultimates, Ultimate Spidey, Astonishing, Y The Last Man, Exiles or Planetary.
Currently I can't read Astonishing and NA, cause in sweden we just finished Morrisons Planet X and the Spidey organic Webshooters arc. So we haven't reached even the beginning of those yet. I think the Spidey-stuff has gotten ahead of the X-men stuff tho, no?
Today. I have my shiny copy sitting on the sofa right now as I have just got back from a run to the LCS and am now 50 squid lighter of pocket. Worth it, tho.Predabot wrote:Ok, so most people seem to share my concerns about art and such. But I really think those that are hesitant because of the minis should put their doubt behind them and track down Ultimates v2. The first TPB of v2 is apparently coming out pretty soon.
The first TPB of New Avengers is also out, Preds, if you can track that down ahead of the NA individual eps.
Also read the last issue of Astonishing in the shop. Gutted.