London on Alert again...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:49 pm

Seems 3 small charges like prima charges were detonated on tube trains, and perhaps 1 on a bus.

No casulties which is good. but again mass disruption.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:25 pm

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/

about as up to date as you can get.

bloody hell.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:59 pm

Bastards. Though I'm heartened by this from the BBC website:

One person was injured at Warren Street. There were reports the injured person may have been holding a rucksack containing the detonator.

And if he survives, I imagine the police are going to make things just a little bit difficult for him for the rest of his natural life.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:24 pm

Was listening to a morning show play live feed from the BBC. Sorry to hear it. Really really sorry guys. Headcount maybe?

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:33 pm

Think we'll be okay - the BBC are saying no casualties as yet. Still, can't hurt for the London people to show hands I guess.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:36 pm

there no casultys so far, but live on BBC I just saw them arrest a man at gun point in whitehall, next to downing street.

Some sources also say that a man, perhaps involved was scene entering a local hospital. armed police have moved in.

Still, its not good. sick of it already

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:46 pm

Oh, for a good couple of hours alone with one of those guys and this pencil.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:28 pm

Seems like just a copycat, luckily. A bad copycat at that. Someone who decided to take advantage of the situation and throw some more chaos onto the board. Like the Anthrax envelopes post 9/11.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:10 pm

Shanti418 wrote:Seems like just a copycat, luckily. A bad copycat at that. Someone who decided to take advantage of the situation and throw some more chaos onto the board. Like the Anthrax envelopes post 9/11.

Thank God no-one was killed. I heard about it and instantly remembered my thoughts on possible later additional bombs for cumulative terror effect that I'd posted here after the last attack.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:51 pm

So, once again: Jetfire, angloconvoy, legion-- is everyone all right?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:10 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm

Police shoot a man at Tube station.

Post by **snarl** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:42 am

Word.

They took that **** back to school.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:34 am

get some!

I hear they shot him 5 times after they had on the floor.

style points

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:39 am

Word I'm catching is that they reckon yesterday's bombs flopped because the mix wasn't right.

They're saying it's TATP (?) which only have a finite explosive life - if it's not dried out properly it doesn't go off, and if it's left too long it doesn't go off.

Which would explain why all four of them failed.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:09 pm

We got lucky this time then.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:18 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:get some!

I hear they shot him 5 times after they had on the floor.

style points

Would it not have made more sense to question him before blasting him? I mean, they already had him down...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:41 am

a sucide bomber...

threat to public saftey, kill him.

besides, im sure they knew what they were doing.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:12 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:a sucide bomber...

threat to public saftey, kill him.

besides, im sure they knew what they were doing.

Zero tolerance.

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:25 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote: besides, im sure they knew what they were doing.

And now it turns out that they didn't........I was very uncomfortable with this when it was first reported. Its seemed unneccesarily violent, but yeah, you assume they know what they are doing. Facing someone you KNOW is a suicide bomber, well, you need to know he's staying down. fair enough....

But they didn't KNOW. They were SUSPICOUS. We cannot allow the police to act like that on suspicion.

Poor b*****. They were plain clothes police. I would have run off if several unidentified meatheads with guns ran at me screaming. That poor man could have been any one of us. Personally, I feel sick.

Its not like he even fitted the modus operandi of all the other bombers, who all had rucksacks. If he had a bomb under his jacket, he would probably have needed plastic explosives - none of the other men he was assumed to be connected to had used such explosives. It was all home-made.

Why was this bloke suspicious? Because he was dark skinned with a puffer-jacket on?

And people are already shrugging shoulders and just saying "tragic, but he could have been a bomber".

I feel sick.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:47 pm

Scraplet wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote: besides, im sure they knew what they were doing.
And now it turns out that they didn't........I was very uncomfortable with this when it was first reported. Its seemed unneccesarily violent, but yeah, you assume they know what they are doing. Facing someone you KNOW is a suicide bomber, well, you need to know he's staying down. fair enough....

But they didn't KNOW. They were SUSPICOUS. We cannot allow the police to act like that on suspicion.

Poor b*****. They were plain clothes police. I would have run off if several unidentified meatheads with guns ran at me screaming. That poor man could have been any one of us. Personally, I feel sick.

Its not like he even fitted the modus operandi of all the other bombers, who all had rucksacks. If he had a bomb under his jacket, he would probably have needed plastic explosives - none of the other men he was assumed to be connected to had used such explosives. It was all home-made.

Why was this bloke suspicious? Because he was dark skinned with a puffer-jacket on?

And people are already shrugging shoulders and just saying "tragic, but he could have been a bomber".

I feel sick.

I completely agree. What would you do If you knew you were part of a minority in a country who suffered recents attacks (by a group of insane stupids of said minority or similar in ethnic traits) and you saw a bunch of guys (in civilian) going after you?

Im very sorry for the ones who died. And as usual, sorry for the ones who will die, because of this.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:20 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:a sucide bomber...

A suspected suicide bomber.

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
threat to public saftey, kill him.

A suspected threat to public safety.

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Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
besides, im sure they knew what they were doing.

Obviously, they didn't!

Scotland Yard admitted Saturday that a man police officers gunned down at point-blank range in front of horrified subway passengers on Friday had nothing to do with the investigation into the bombing attacks here.

The man was identified by police as Jean Charles de Menezes, a 27-year-old Brazilian, described by officers as an electrician on his way to work. "He was not connected to incidents in central London on 21st July, 2005, in which four explosive devices were partly detonated," a police statement said.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:10 pm

A terrible error.

I should image that all the police etc are on edge because of recent events. And there was every chance that if the guy DID have a bomb, he might've detonated it instead of risked being caught.
And if it HAD been a bomber, all the people that are now saying the police were wrong to gun the guy down would probably be going 'Good work' instead. If he'd let a bomb off, then all those people would be complaining that the authorities didn't take enough action to prevent it.

I don't know - my opinion is so split now on how it was handled.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:12 pm

H*ll...

Those officers need to be fired and put in jail!

At first I just thought that it was indeed a suicide-bomber that they had capped, while attempting to detonate, but now it turns out he was completely innocent!

They just thought he looked shady!

Is this really Britain?!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:32 pm

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/displayN ... K=12886607

This is where my TransFest '05 journey began.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:23 pm

Predabot wrote:Is this really Britain?!

Great Yarmouth is nice. But then there's nothing to be gained by bombing that...

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:14 am

Killing an innocent man simply because he looks suspicious is ********. Utter ********.

Why the hell did they just shoot him? Did they not think to confirm first?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:32 am

Looked suspicious for wearing a puffer jacket or whatever?

No.

Try "looked suspicious because he clocked that the police were watching him, legged it into a tube station, jumped the security barrier and ran down the escalator."*

You may as well shout out "Hi, police - chase me, please!"

Anybody behaving like that is going to get followed and dealt with as best-seen-fit if they can't be stopped by normal measures.

* - Which is the consistent story I have been told by certain Londoners I spoke to over the course of the weekend.

Unless he thought he was running from the mafia, dawg.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:35 am

The world is going to ****.

"Execute on sight!"

Blimey.

Post by **snarl** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:41 am

As far as I'm aware, Brends version of events is what happened.

He left the police with [composite word including 'f*ck'] all alternatives as far as I'm concerned.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:46 am

Indeed. Successful scuicide bombers one week, another bunch who are on the lose but are not successful thanks to a fortuant [composite word including 'f*ck']-up. Talking to our local officers (at school) they say they did as trained. the problem with scucide bimbers, unlike the IRA, is the fact they don't care for themselves.
As detanators can be anywhere on the bomber, in a shoe, hand, pocket or even the mouth they can't take the risks they did with IRA bombers and spring the trap to catch them. The only way they can stop them is prevent them months in advance which avoiusly means they is no evidence to their guilt or kill them because the only guantee the bomb won't go off when they are caught is to kill them quickly and prevent a detantator being triggered.