Woman gets the Taser.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:38 pm

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/conte ... deo3a.html

Both horrible and funny.

Shocking in fact.

I certainly won't resist or delay police arrest if it ever happens to me. Though that woman completely refused to do as asked had it comming. She tried to be difficult and overblow the effects of the taser. I'm watching it again:glance:

Darth Aux · Post by **Darth Aux** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:51 pm

Man that must've hurt. She sounds like she's in agony.

I know she was refusing to get out of the car but he seemed too keen to use the taser.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:55 pm

She over played it as the officers said. At the end of the day the Taser is probably the safest option.
It's never directly caused a death, it causes no harm as painful as it is and a struggle to get her out the car by force could have injured either one of them.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:57 pm

Hmm. I dunno. As much as I love these "dumb criminals getting smacked by police in some way" the constant screaming really took away the funniness after a while.

She seems seriously shocked, not so much by the electricity, but emotionally. As an electronics-man, I've been shocked lots(since I'm a dope that never learns) and know that it's ussually not so much the pain or acctual hurt that the electricity does that gets ya.

But rather the fact that it comes so quickly, the shock really. So I can understand that since she really had no idea what was coming that she got this messed up. And I can't help but think that using the taser here was very inappropriate and unnecessary.

It's supposed to be for crowd-controll and disabling armed hand-to-hand combatants, not tasing people on the phone in their cars.

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:18 pm

I want a taser

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:31 pm

She deserves it

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:55 pm

Predabot wrote:
But rather the fact that it comes so quickly, the shock really. So I can understand that since she really had no idea what was coming that she got this messed up. And I can't help but think that using the taser here was very inappropriate and unnecessary.

It's supposed to be for crowd-controll and disabling armed hand-to-hand combatants, not tasing people on the phone in their cars.

Read the site. She was refusing to get out of the car and was given several warnings so the use of the taser there are enirely appropiate there. Especially as she was a reoffender who clearly knew she was breaking the law.

Seeing as a taser hooks onto a person, a single person, to work it's hardly a useful way to hold back a crowd. It's to be used on people who resist arrest. It avoids anything spiriling out of control, avoids the use of force and violence and is actually harmless, if a bit painful for a few seconds.

Post by **Best First** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:30 pm

Its not her fault! She was on the phone! Come on!

Can't you see i am in the middle of a call here officer?

"Put the semi-automatic weapon down and step away from the hostages."

"Hellllooo? On the phone? Manners please."

IronHide · Post by **IronHide** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:37 am

Tasers are not that bad.

Its like a stinging sensation.......that lasts for a long time.

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:46 am

If I had a taser, I'd probably end up 'testing' it on a few friends of mine... Starting with the little turd who squeezed an open water bottle in my direction this afternoon and then slapped me with an expired sausage just before work ended

"Oh, *tzzzt* I'll *tzzt* miss *tzzzzzzt* you *tzzzzzzzzzt* too! *tzzzzt*"

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:00 am

Here in the states, Tasers can be purchased for between 20 and 40 USD. They're the jabbing models, usually, not the hook and string models, though. Quite painful and quite effective. I'm a fan of non-lethal weaponry as both offensive and defensive tools. Knives and guns can get someone into a lot of trouble. A colapsable baton or a several-thousand volt taser, on the other hand, get your point across without the hassle of spilled-blood, lasting wounds, or the legal ramifications of accidentally murdering someone.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:47 am

im sorry but that was totaly excesive force, Tasers do hurt like [composite word including 'f*ck'].

this women is tiny you could quite simply drag her out of the car.

and to do it twice when she was already on the floor.

stupid.

metalhead24 · Post by **metalhead24** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:19 am

I'd watch the vids if I wasn't on such a slow 'net connection... it sounds pretty terrible what happened to that poor woman, though. I feel sorry for her. I think that the police in the video need to be retrained on something call "Escalation of Force". I was HEAVILY trained on it while I was in the US. Luckily, I haven't had to use it.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:23 am

that copper just makes the situation into somthing it isnt, he could have been calmer with her but he instantly gos for the taser.

I find stuff like that scary.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:23 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:that copper just makes the situation into somthing it isnt, he could have been calmer with her but he instantly gos for the taser.

I find stuff like that scary.

I have incredibly mixed feelings about cops. On the one hand, I've never had a problem with a police officer. Every encounter I've ever had with police have been in my favor. On the other hand, as something of an anarchist, the thought of people who can enforce the laws on people in a way that seems best to them at the time, is really off-putting. A cop doesn't have to pull you over for speeding, a cop doesn't always have to use force, and a cop (in the US) can choose between letting a suspect get away or putting several bullets in his backside.

IronHide · Post by **IronHide** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:27 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:im sorry but that was totaly excesive force, Tasers do hurt like ****.

this women is tiny you could quite simply drag her out of the car.

and to do it twice when she was already on the floor.

stupid.

B shoulda listened the first time.

Its not like she didn't bring it on herself. Besides I'd rather be tasered than shot or beaten or maced.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:59 am

sorry but i think anyone who thinks they can stay on the phone when being asked repeatedly to step out of the car by an officer of the law has it coming to them.

Common sense? No?

Zzzzzz!

Society should not pander to idiocy - its bad for all of us.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:01 am

A mate of a mate (I do not know the bloke) is always pulled over in his boy racer car by the police. The other week he flashed a police car, and when they both pulled over and the cop asked him what was the problem he just said, "Oh, nothing... its just that you guys always get me to pull over, I thought I'd get you to do it for a change." He was cuffed and arrested on the spot and locked up at the station.

Deserved it too.

Carry on.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:42 pm

Best First wrote:sorry but i think anyone who thinks they can stay on the phone when being asked repeatedly to step out of the car by an officer of the law has it coming to them.

Common sense? No?

Zzzzzz!

Society should not pander to idiocy - its bad for all of us.

Talking on the phone means u can get tazered, and twice! - nice.

That women lookes like she weighs about 5 stone compared to this copper trainned in arrest techniques, he could easily have pulled her out of the car.

The women is being a dick, thats without question, but using the taser to inforce his point is crap.

What did they do up untill last year when they didnt have tasers? just go "[composite word including 'f*ck'] man we cant do anything shes on the phone!!!"

give me a break, and he did it twice, shes crying and screaming on the floor - and he does it again, [composite word including 'f*ck'] me why? incase she gets back on her phone, and then what would they do? Nothing as obviously they have never been faced by a stupid women before.

And tasers hurt more then ******* mace, tasers can make u involantaryly crap your pants and piss yourself, leave you numb and done in. ive seen them knock ppl 20ft across a room.

they ******* hurt.

and that cop was wrong.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:26 pm

Reading on the website the situation in which the cop used the Taser was perfectly correct. She refused point blank to get out of the car dispite being told several times to do so and was warned of the consequences. She was getting increasingly agressive and wasn't making any attempts to do as the cop asked.

It's easy to say "Just pull her out of the car" but literally hundreds of incidents of injuries, dislocated arms, banged heads, muscle injuries, concussion, cuts and bleeding etc can all result by pulling some one out of a car. Increasingly likely if it's against their will.

That doesn't include what could happen if the situation turns violent. Police have spent years complaining that increasingly asking someone to step out of their car is a "life or death" situation. You don't know what the person will do or what they have they have hidden. No matter how innocent the situation it's more or less impossible to determine if the person is violent or carrying a weapon or something that could be used as a weapon.

I'm all for a technique that prevents injury or violence.

A taser is basically harmless. It is proven (so far) to cause absolutly no tissue damage. Very painful but harmless. It prevents acidents happening and prevents violent situations from occuring. It guantee's the person being arrested doesn't come to any harm and protects the police officer also.
Rememebr if you do as asked there is no need for the Taser.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:31 pm

Well if a huge copper cant deal with one dume lil women then go ahead taser someone.

and tasers have stopped hearts in the past.

Sorry I think thats bloody wrong, hes just some trigger happy **** who couldnt deal with the situation correctly - and two shock her again on the floor is clearly ****** up. shes not going anywhere probably doesnt kow what the [composite word including 'f*ck'] is going on.

Post by **Kaylee** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:54 pm

I still want a taser

Post by **Best First** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:59 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Well if a huge copper cant deal with one dume lil women then go ahead taser someone.

and tasers have stopped hearts in the past.

Sorry I think thats bloody wrong, hes just some trigger happy **** who couldnt deal with the situation correctly - and two shock her again on the floor is clearly ****** up. shes not going anywhere probably doesnt kow what the **** is going on.

the second shock was probably unneccessary but the first shock was procedural. The fact he is a 'huge copper' is irrelevant as has already ben pointed out.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:00 pm

Again. Police experts pointed out he used the Taser totally correctly. 2 short jolts. Stopped when she correperated. Absolutly no harm done to eitehr police officer or the criminal being arrested.

I'll also add a Taser has never directly caused and tissue or heart damage. A Taser has never directly casued a death, ever!

You keep saying "It's just a woman" as if women can't resist arrest or cause violence in the process. Since when has women been magically harmless where as men are not?
The police have no idea if shes paranoid, due for a ASBO or schizophrenic.

Here's an example of a car arrest that can easily go wrong: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3350127.stm

If Tasers can prevent something like that happening once then they should be used.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:55 pm

well for me

A. He handled the situation before the taser bit wrong.
B. He could have easily removed THAT women from the car
C. the 2nd taser shot was for what? - to like make her scream on the floor again?

The problem I have with that whole situation is he asks her to step out of the car, she gets a bit ****** but instead of saying "mamm if you do not get out of the car and do as I say im going to arrest you" - he gos straight for the taser.

well thats my opinion I think he did it wrong and he shouldnt have shocked her twice. - actually makes me angry.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:56 pm

Oh yeah, tasers are lethal: 103 deaths in the USA 01-05

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... port_x.htm

Post by **Best First** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:38 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote: B. He could have easily removed THAT women from the car

why do you repeat points that have already been successfully refuted? Whats the point?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:43 pm

Because you havent refuted them

lets take a look.

Tasers kill ppl

so lets see, pull women from car or risk killing them!
I dont belive the situation required near lethal force, twice, to stop her from talking on her phone.

you gonna refute that?

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:43 pm

Dig further rather than that "sun-lite" article and you'll find a Taser has not yet been technically the cause of someones death. It's been otehr factors which have been the cause when Tasers have been involved. All of them are illegal situations or events prior to the Taser being used.

Saying a Taser is lethal force is scare mongering and scientifically and factually untrue.

That article is just typical tabloid scare mongering with an agency that gains from attacks against police methods.

And what Best First said. Repeating incorrect statements doesn't make them any more true.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:47 pm

My statements are correct.

THe women for all you know could have had a heart condtion, and tasers have killed them
you just dont know.

If she had been dangerous, and a risk to the generall public and or the officer then the taser seems a fair thing to use.

this situation did not require the 'risk' of using a taser.

my statements are correct.

I wont change my opinion on this.