The next Doctor Who (spoiler?)

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:50 pm

Chris Tennant is confirmed as the next Doctor, he will regenerate in the last episode of the current series.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 00,00.html

boozle?

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:21 pm

good choice.

He was really good in Casanova, a role he made likeable when it could have been utterly too smug. Hes got the charmisa and is not famous enough to bring something fresh to the part

EDIT: It's intresting that Eccleson was always going to leave after the first series as part of the plot according to that article.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:43 pm

Jetfire wrote:good choice.

He was really good in Casanova, a role he made likeable when it could have been utterly too smug. Hes got the charmisa and is not famous enough to bring something fresh to the part

I've only seen him in Casanova, and he fitted that role really well. Unfortunately it's too different to the Doctor to judge how good he'd be in that role.

EDIT: It's intresting that Eccleson was always going to leave after the first series as part of the plot according to that article.

The last episode was always intended to end on a cliffhanger, but it's certainly not confirmed that it was always intended to be a regeneration. Eccleston did have a contractural option on doing a second series, so if he had wanted to, he could have stayed on for another year. It would have been quite easy to turn that final scene into a regeneration scene quite late in the day.

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:00 pm

I didn't read that bit, where does it say that?

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:41 pm

Bouncelot wrote:
I've only seen him in Casanova, and he fitted that role really well. Unfortunately it's too different to the Doctor to judge how good he'd be in that role.

What gives the show such legs is that each Doctor is very different. It's what makes it work so well.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:19 pm

He seems more Doctor Who-ish than Ecclestone, if that makes any sense.

Should be good! Looking forward to the regeneration scene already...

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:48 pm

Jetfire wrote:
Bouncelot wrote:
I've only seen him in Casanova, and he fitted that role really well. Unfortunately it's too different to the Doctor to judge how good he'd be in that role.
What gives the show such legs is that each Doctor is very different. It's what makes it work so well.

Each Doctor is the same as well as different. They are playing the same character, after all. Put simply, I can't imagine the Doctor being played like Casanova and still effectively maintaining the essence of the character. Therefore it's hard to imagine how David Tennant would play him. Therefore, I'm reserving judgement until I see him in a role that's more Doctorish, which probably means until he actually takes over.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:01 pm

Bouncelot wrote:
Each Doctor is the same as well as different. They are playing the same character, after all. Put simply, I can't imagine the Doctor being played like Casanova and still effectively maintaining the essence of the character. Therefore it's hard to imagine how David Tennant would play him. Therefore, I'm reserving judgement until I see him in a role that's more Doctorish, which probably means until he actually takes over.

I disagree. There is almost nothing of Hartnell in the Troughton incarnation.
Initally Pertwee had 1 or 2 moments that harked back to the past but he had almost nothing of the previous 2 in his performance. Tom Baker was probably the first doctor who did a broadly more ecentric version of the original with elements of the 2nd's clownish behaviour all turned up to the top of the scale.

I just realised that in the original post Karl got the name wrong

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:06 pm

Kyrl got the name wrong

Now that is ironic.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:07 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:
Kyrl got the name wrong
Now that is ironic.

Indeed.

Except I make typing mistakes so often it's actually quite tragic:(

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:01 am

Jetfire wrote:
Bouncelot wrote:
Each Doctor is the same as well as different. They are playing the same character, after all. Put simply, I can't imagine the Doctor being played like Casanova and still effectively maintaining the essence of the character. Therefore it's hard to imagine how David Tennant would play him. Therefore, I'm reserving judgement until I see him in a role that's more Doctorish, which probably means until he actually takes over.
I disagree. There is almost nothing of Hartnell in the Troughton incarnation.
Initally Pertwee had 1 or 2 moments that harked back to the past but he had almost nothing of the previous 2 in his performance. Tom Baker was probably the first doctor who did a broadly more ecentric version of the original with elements of the 2nd's clownish behaviour all turned up to the top of the scale.

There are still common things in the Doctor's character. Obviously his fundamental identity is the same between incarnations. He still deliberately intervenes in situations to help the people he sees as "good", except where to do so would damage the web of time. He has an advanced scientific understanding and, mostly, a particular moral code - a way in which he approaches problems. Where there is evil, it must be fought, but there are ways in which it is usually wrong to fight it. Most importantly, he is consistently alien. There are human things which he just doesn't, or cannot, understand or do properly. And a lot of the character David Tennant plays in Casanova just don't seem to gel with the fundamentals of the Doctor, at least in my opinion. Given that this is my only exposure so far to David Tennant, that means I can't envisage how he might portray the Doctor on the basis of that performance, which was the gist of what I was saying before.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:27 am

Bouncelot wrote:
There are still common things in the Doctor's character. Obviously his fundamental identity is the same between incarnations. He still deliberately intervenes in situations to help the people he sees as "good", except where to do so would damage the web of time. He has an advanced scientific understanding and, mostly, a particular moral code - a way in which he approaches problems. Where there is evil, it must be fought, but there are ways in which it is usually wrong to fight it. Most importantly, he is consistently alien. There are human things which he just doesn't, or cannot, understand or do properly. And a lot of the character David Tennant plays in Casanova just don't seem to gel with the fundamentals of the Doctor, at least in my opinion. Given that this is my only exposure so far to David Tennant, that means I can't envisage how he might portray the Doctor on the basis of that performance, which was the gist of what I was saying before.

But none of that is relevant. It's all the action bits and the plots, not the character. No Eccleson performance could previously remotly hinted to any of that previously. The consistently alien bit is very untrue. Davidson, Pertwee and Colin BAker had almost no alien personallity characteristics in the portrayal. In fact Pertwee's performance resembles Roger Moore's Bond than any of the other Doctor's.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:17 pm

Jetfire wrote:But none of that is relevant. It's all the action bits and the plots, not the character.

It is the character that stays the same, just not the personality. And I can't see a personality like that portrayed in Casanova being successfully grafted onto that character.

No Eccleson performance could previously remotly hinted to any of that previously.

I dunno, what I've seen of The Second Coming makes him look like the sort of actor who could play the Doctor well, even if the details of the character don't correspond. I just don't get that from Tennant's performance as Casanova.

The consistently alien bit is very untrue. Davidson, Pertwee and Colin BAker had almost no alien personallity characteristics in the portrayal.

You're kidding, right? Colin Baker had a very strong alien feel to his Doctor, his emotional reactions changed like a human's wouldn't - he himself described his take as being someone who one day if a person was mown down in front of him he might just step over them and ask somebody the time, yet on another day might go into terrible paroxysms of grief about a sparrow falling out of a tree. With Pertwee and Davison you have more of a point, but the alien does still come through. With Davison it's more in odd moments where he casually says something about his alien nature (and, most memorably, a human would at least try to save Adric). With Pertwee its the way he holds himself well above the humans he's been forced to live with. He may act like Bond, but he very clearly isn't one of us.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:45 pm

Bouncelot wrote:
Jetfire wrote:But none of that is relevant. It's all the action bits and the plots, not the character.
It is the character that stays the same, just not the personality. And I can't see a personality like that portrayed in Casanova being successfully grafted onto that character.

Well, i'm hoping that the next series of Who will be about who not Casanova... hopefully Tennant is a good enough actor to play more than just one type of character... unfortunately i never seen him in anything else (Blackpool?) so i can't comment on that.

Bouncelot wrote:
No Eccleson performance could previously remotly hinted to any of that previously.
I dunno, what I've seen of The Second Coming makes him look like the sort of actor who could play the Doctor well, even if the details of the character don't correspond. I just don't get that from Tennant's performance as Casanova.

EccsDoc is just too hammy for my taste... that inane grin is starting to do my head in... it's a shame because sometimes i think he's great, then he acts like a hammed up **** and it ruins it for me...

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:17 pm

Legion wrote:
Bouncelot wrote:
Jetfire wrote:But none of that is relevant. It's all the action bits and the plots, not the character.
It is the character that stays the same, just not the personality. And I can't see a personality like that portrayed in Casanova being successfully grafted onto that character.
Well, i'm hoping that the next series of Who will be about who not Casanova... hopefully Tennant is a good enough actor to play more than just one type of character... unfortunately i never seen him in anything else (Blackpool?) so i can't comment on that.

More-or-less what I said in my initial post.

EccsDoc is just too hammy for my taste... that inane grin is starting to do my head in... it's a shame because sometimes i think he's great, then he acts like a hammed up **** and it ruins it for me...

I quite like it, the inane grin reminds me a lot of Tom Baker's take on the Doctor. But I can understand why people don't like it, and it probably would work better if it were less frequent.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:36 pm

Yeah, Chris is overdoing the grinning - but when he's serious he's magnetic. I felt sorry for that poor pig because of him!

But Tom knew how to grin - he always made me all warm and fuzzy inside.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:04 am

spiderfrommars wrote:Yeah, Chris is overdoing the grinning - but when he's serious he's magnetic. I felt sorry for that poor pig because of him!

yeah, that whole seen he was very good... it's a shame i was cringing with shame at the whole pig thing tho... "Pigs in Space" as my flatmate pointed out... v

spiderfrommars wrote:But Tom knew how to grin - he always made me all warm and fuzzy inside.

yup, Tom's grin was warm and friendly... Chris' is just.. inane...