End of season Football/Premiership discussion.

[Jetfire]

OK sadly Chelsea will get the premiership. But I think Arsenal will get 2nd place

F.A cup - A hard call, i think Arsenal are hitting top form now but it could be any of them depending how they perform on the day.

Europe - Another hard one. Chelsea have the players, the determination and a manager who knows how to win it.

Oh and for your amusement

http://www.arsenalshorts.com/ebay_cfc_html.html

[Brendocon]

OK sadly Chelsea will get the premiership. But I think Arsenal will get 2nd place

Does it make a difference who gets second and who gets third? I mean really? They both qualify for the "Champions" League, anyway.

Or is there a difference in the qualifying rounds? I don't know as I don't really care.

Chelsea have won the league, the only remotely interesting thing happening in the Prem is at the other end of the table.

[Ozz]

Or is there a difference in the qualifying rounds?

Yes, first two teams automatically enter the group stage, and third and fourth must go through qualification round first.

[Obfleur]

http://www.arsenalshorts.com/ebay_cfc_html.html

I assume that's a stab at Chelsea for buying loads of players and then winning.

But I gotta ask; how many regular first team players in Arsenal, Manchester United, Newcastle and Liverpool are 'own products' ?

[Best First]

Late surge for Boro!

please?

[Hound]

I think Liverpool may just get 4th place. The performance against Juventus was fantastic but we struggle in the league with so few attacking options.

Chelsea have won it, deservedly so. I hope Arsenal come 3rd :-p

[Jetfire]

http://www.arsenalshorts.com/ebay_cfc_html.html

I assume that's a stab at Chelsea for buying loads of players and then winning.

But I gotta ask; how many regular first team players in Arsenal, Manchester United, Newcastle and Liverpool are 'own products' ?

theres a difference between "creating players" and buying at stupid amounts world class just because you have more money.

e.g Beckham is hardly a Manchester local but was created as a world class player by Man Utd thus he is a Man Utd product.


Arsenal players who came through our youth policy. First teamers or virtual first teamers this season:
Cole, Toure, Fabregas, Mathieu Flamini and Senderos, Clichy.

Others who Arsenal have taken and made world class:
Vieira, Henry, Pires, Ljungberg, Pires, Edu,

Big name players we got who were great players: Bergkamp, Campbell and Gilberto.

So only 3 of our players have been brought as big name players via money. Bergkamp had a failed few seasons, Campbell was a free transfer (though we paid him loads) and Gilberto was the most unknown player of the brazilian squad and would nbot have played in the World cup if Emerson had been fit.

I'd add in our keepers buit I'd argue Stuart Taylor has been better than both whenever he stepped in.

[Jetfire]

Chelsea have won it, deservedly so. I hope Arsenal come 3rd :-p

I didn't think you loved Man Utd so much.

[snarl]

Yes, Arsenal clearly made Henry world class. I mean, they only bought him as a world cup winner from Juve for £10M, he was clearly ****.

Robert Pires as well. I'd never heard of him at all, he was an unknown.

At the end of the day Jets, tell me where you shop cause I'll never by grapes from that place.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

I think United will win the FA cup. mainly because they can beat arse by using a bit of muscle.

Next year will be tighter, United wont have 6 weeks of non first team players to contend with, and the new faces will have settled in.

What I fear is the old faces like Keane scholes giiggs etc will be at the end of thier carrar.

Anyhows CHelski have been class, I dont like how they are doing it, but they have been pure class.

I hope to god they dont win the CL - what message does that send about football

[Manchester Devil]

Man Utd for the FA cup and second place in the Perm. And how about this for a sceanrio: Bolton Wanderers in the Champions League. It'll be mental (in the "What the Hell?" sense) if the Trotters gatecrashed the party.

I can see either Middlesbrough or Charlton returning to the UEFA cup if they get back to form in the final run-in.

UEFA Gate crash bonaza!

[Hound]

http://www.arsenalshorts.com/ebay_cfc_html.html

I assume that's a stab at Chelsea for buying loads of players and then winning.

But I gotta ask; how many regular first team players in Arsenal, Manchester United, Newcastle and Liverpool are 'own products' ?

Not enough in my opinion, but Benetiz has changed that this season. Houllier preffered to buy crap foreign players rather than giving youth a go.

But now we have the likes of Mellor, Warnock, Potter, Welsh, Raven, Mannix, Partridge, Smyth and Whitbread pushing for squad places.

Roughly about 13 squad players will be released from liverpool at the end of the season further enhancing the prospects for these guys.

The future is bright

[Jetfire]

Yes, Arsenal clearly made Henry world class. I mean, they only bought him as a world cup winner from Juve for £10M, he was clearly ****.

Robert Pires as well. I'd never heard of him at all, he was an unknown.

At the end of the day Jets, tell me where you shop cause I'll never by grapes from that place.

No need for the sarcasm. Your anti-Arsneal bias knows no bounds.

Henry was still a bench player and hardly a valible player for juve. I never claimed he wasn't 'good' but Arsenal made him World class and argueably the best in the world. Same with Pires.

[snarl]

ahahaahha, that's bollocks!

a) show me when I was biased. Both players were household names when you bought them, both were high profile, expensive purchases - do please stop with the claptrap. Henry was a fairly high profile failure in Italy that Juve stupidly cashed in on after 1 season.

b) Arsenal are bollocks *****.

I have no problem with Chelsea - I reckon they could have bought most fo the players they have without Roman, they just got held to ransom because money is no object to him. Their success is extremely beneficial for the national team - get terry in as England captain asap, man is quality. Also, it puts the United and Arsenal **** know nothing fans firmly in their places.

[Brendocon]

******* Norwich. I don't think I've been so pissed off at Man Utd losing in a long time. And the northern bastards couldn't even beat Palace.

I hate Aston Villa too.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

I have nothing to say about Norwich... I just laughed, it was to be honest funny.

Oh well, seasons over anyhows.

[Jetfire]

fergy didn't even speak to man Utd TV. I bet he raped his players afterwards in utter rage.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

im not surprised, thats just toaly unaceptable from players of that ability.

[Jetfire]

Having watched the game, it's not as it Man Utd didn't try. They just didn't know what to do.

Their current formation sucks and doesn't work. The players quickly get clueless and the old guard just doesn't have 'it' anymore. It's quite insulting you played half a sub-standard team, especially when your reserves (excluding your strikers) are utter s###.

Most of Fergies buys have been rubbish for a few years now and there doesn't seem anybody comming up through the youth team.

Ironically this loss comes a week after Utd announced that they are raising ticket prices by some 25%

[snarl]

Har, Man Utd got dicked. Our goal against the toon was class, Steve Carr got properly ****, nice!

[Impactor returns 2.0]

Having watched the game, it's not as it Man Utd didn't try. They just didn't know what to do.

Their current formation sucks and doesn't work. The players quickly get clueless and the old guard just doesn't have 'it' anymore. It's quite insulting you played half a sub-standard team, especially when your reserves (excluding your strikers) are utter s###.

Most of Fergies buys have been rubbish for a few years now and there doesn't seem anybody comming up through the youth team.

Ironically this loss comes a week after Utd announced that they are raising ticket prices by some 25%

I think thats all utter bollox.

If we are so **** how come we beat you twice this season?

Im sorry but if your gonna talk about football dont talk biased rubbish.

Ive said United played badley, but I dont sit here telling you how ******* **** Arsenal are.

[Jetfire]

Har, Man Utd got dicked. Our goal against the toon was class, Steve Carr got properly ****, nice!

Indeed.I was just disapointed that no fighst broke out this week.

[Jetfire]

Ive said United played badley, but I dont sit here telling you how ******* **** Arsenal are.

*Quick search*

6 of those points came from 2, yes 2 wins over Arse.
not to mention, it broke thier spineless back!

Dennis Berkamp was Arsenals best player last night, the rest were crap. to old, and out classed. thats why Wenger looked worried.
Arsenal are a spent force. with no spirit or belife.

Man united always let arsenal win it every 4 years its part of the FA contract.

Arsenal are always 2nd rate.

Those are off the first search page.

I think thats all utter bollox.

If we are so **** how come we beat you twice this season?

Im sorry but if your gonna talk about football dont talk biased rubbish.

Yeah you beat us twice. Once you kicked the sh## out of us and had Rooney dive like he saw a knickerless scouse grannie lying down with her legs open.

In the other you resorted to headbutts and we were playing Cygan.

Norwich beat you yesterday. Would you call them a better team?

As for the game analysis I wasn't being bias. I pointed out, as many Man Utd fans themselves have is the current Utd system isn't working and yesterday the Utd players went missing. I actually pointed out they weren't being lazy they just were lost because how Man Utd play doesn't work at the moment. I didn't bang on how s### Man Utd are. Though a big team losing to the bottom team is always going to cause discussion and analysis.
I mostly blame the current system fergy is trying to impose and as for your buys: Fortune, Kléberson , Veron, Millar and your keepers have been utter s### for a "top team". Can't say Saha or Smith have been good buys yet either.

[Best First]

8th! tits.

****ing lucky arsenal...

[Jetfire]

8th! tits.

****ing lucky arsenal...

It was a tight game. You really held us, we're lucky in that we have several players who can score and thus the longer 'Boro failed to score the better our chances of winning. But the Boro defenders were harsh with Reyes. Ouch.....

Still that was our 100th goal of the season in our 500th Premiership match

[Best First]

by all accounts Hasslebank apologised to the changing room afterwards for being crap.

[Jetfire]

I still think Boro will amke europe. They have the better run of games compared with their rivals including Spur's at home.

Liverpool might be your only problem game, but the 'pool can be either awesome or w##k in any given game.

[Hound]

I vote wank!

Would help if all our strikers were not crippled or banned...

[Best First]

can't use that line against us!

[Jetfire]

I vote wank!

Would help if all our strikers were not crippled or banned...

Just enjoy watching it for Gerrard then. You won't get the opportunity for long.....