Jermaine Pennant jailed

[Brendocon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4307427.stm

With this sort of delinquency, maybe he does have a future at Arsenal after all...

[snarl]

Cant believe he got away with 3 months.

He should have been burnt alive.

[Snowcat]

With that sort of delinquency, a career at Newcastle or Rangers beckons....

[Best First]

"Adrian Mutu was caught having taken cocaine, an act which, although
illegal, represented little danger to others and was subjected to a
colossal moral backlash from the media (some of whom, dare I say it,
may not have been averse to a little bit themselves), was sacked by
Chelsea and given a seven-month ban. Jermaine Pennant, meanwhile,
showed utter contempt for the law and committed an offence which
kills a significant number of people every year and yet will be back
playing for Birmingham before the end of the season with barely a
murmur in the press. Am I alone in finding this a little
distasteful?"

[Snowcat]

All I`ll say is this:

Mutu isn`t elligible to play for England.

[Obfleur]

[Jetfire]

"Adrian Mutu was caught having taken cocaine, an act which, although
illegal, represented little danger to others and was subjected to a
colossal moral backlash from the media

Fact. 90% of all crime is hard drug related. Taking something like coke is hardly not endangering others especially as it encourages the takers to comit a varity of crimes and successful drug pushers get encouraged to target young, easily infulenced children.

Both should have gone done for far worse. Keane whoa dmitted commiting a violent act to damage another person should have as well.

This "I'm a celebratie, don't send me to jail" culture is B.S injustice of the highest order.

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Keane got off today

[Best First]

Fact. 90% of all crime is hard drug related.

Thanks David Brent.

Where did you pull that gem from? Cos it strikes me as a tad simplistic.

[Brendocon]

I do find it bemusing that Pennant could conceivably be back out of jail and playing in six weeks, after an act that could have killed somebody, whilst David Prutton is effectively gone for the season because of losing his rag.

Note: I'm not saying Prutton shouldn't have been banned, I just find the parallel slightly bewildering. Also, part of his charge was using offensive language towards an official... that mean Wayne Rooney's gonna be slapped with a ban or fine the next time he runs his mouth off? Course the hell not.

Man Utd players locked up now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manc ... 314691.stm

Wooha.

[Metal Vendetta]

...Taking something like coke is hardly not endangering others especially as it encourages the takers to comit a varity of crimes and successful drug pushers get encouraged to target young, easily infulenced children.

Taking coke encourages the takers to commit a variety of crimes? Like what? Talking crap all night about how great they are? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend coke, but alcohol encourages people to commit far more crimes than a bit of nose-powder. And successful dealers, the kind that sell to Premiership players, are hardly going to be hanging around outside the playground trying to get the kids' pocket money...surely their wealthy, successful grown-up clients are going to be far more profitable.

[snarl]

I, as a bozboz, can testify to that.

[Jetfire]

...Taking something like coke is hardly not endangering others especially as it encourages the takers to comit a varity of crimes and successful drug pushers get encouraged to target young, easily infulenced children.

Taking coke encourages the takers to commit a variety of crimes? Like what? Talking crap all night about how great they are? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend coke, but alcohol encourages people to commit far more crimes than a bit of nose-powder. And successful dealers, the kind that sell to Premiership players, are hardly going to be hanging around outside the playground trying to get the kids' pocket money...surely their wealthy, successful grown-up clients are going to be far more profitable.

Actually yes they do.
Those that sell always grab people when young.
From my ocasional contacts from when I did my my PGCE the brothes who sell to half the Chelski squad (apparently few of the first team do but a laod of the squad) still entice childten-big time.
One lass I know who workes at the westminster school where a teacher was raped befor christmas told me the full story of how they hang out at the pupil haunts arounf Victoria and trockadero (kids confess everything with the right "mumsy" teacher. Of couse school powers sre so restricted that they are helpless to alert the authorities with out full video eveidence and a witness who is willing to go into hiding with their family and the meida knows full well who sniffs what but are also resiricted to say who by law.

The culture of hard drugs as it is (I don't view say cannibis as 'hard') does do it. It's what makes my job as a school teacher so much harder. When a pupil arrives into school coked up and ready to blow its pretty tough to overcome and at times dangerous as they flip out. Made worse by celebraties. 90% of footballers who are into it seem to end up in Oceana or the works in kingston and share drugs with school girls (celevage and a short skirt is far more effective than legal I.D) and end up baging them in Bushy park. God knows how much worse it is in the west end.

Sure directly it appears a hard drug taker only hurts themselves but indirectly a 100 times more damage is done.

[Predabot]

Jetfire is my hero. Thanks god there were just about no drug-activities at my schools, and that this particular part of sweden has a bit less than the rest of the country.

I, as a bozboz, can testify to that.

Testify to what? That you do get bad ideas, and do bad things when your as "altered" as a 50 foot Stone-obelisk? Or that you don't? What?

Brrr..immagine a man as aggressive as Snarl, on coke or angel dust? Not someone that I would want to be within a 5 mile radius of..

[Best First]

Those that sell always grab people when young.

see, as soon as you start wavig around terms like 'always' and 'one hundred times as bad' you blow your own arguement out of the water.

Still haven't refuted the alchohol point i see, or backed up your original statistic.

I'm not saying coke is good but people 'arguing' in the style of the Daily Mail really pisses me off...

[Jetfire]

Those that sell always grab people when young.

see, as soon as you start wavig around terms like 'always' and 'one hundred times as bad' you blow your own arguement out of the water.

Still haven't refuted the alchohol point i see, or backed up your original statistic.

I'm not saying coke is good but people 'arguing' in the style of the Daily Mail really pisses me off...

It was a phrase. A great many schools will point out the trouble due to pushers of hard drugs.

The 90% statistic comes from the London met themselves.

And I'm shocked you compared me with the Daily mail. I'm actually offended. I didn't condem all drugs are evil nor claimed coke was the root of all eveil and even pointed out it was "in the current drug climate "which affects others in a negative way as opposed to "drugs = bad. Accept it " Daily Mail arguement.

I was speaking from experence as a teacher who often deals with the consequences of the indirect effects of illegal drugs after somebody pointed out 'drugs only harm the user' and sharing my experence that indicated the opposite.

Note I didn't say something like Canabis was evil (I exempted it as its the illegal drug thats the exception in fact) and had already pointed out that Pennant should get longer for drunk driving when we talk about drink problems.

I didn't feel the need to repeate that though I could add alcohols do make alcohol attractive to children and should be banned or remarketed very drastically to decrease alcohol related crime which is most committed by "The Youth" (another London Met stat).)

Yes alcohol proses problems but so does medical drugs. We could dig a gold mine of any chemical that poses a slight problem. I was just talking about illegal drugs which pose a more serious problem in soiciety from my, and many people who deal with the consequences, experience.

But at the end of the day driving under the infulence and taking Coke are both the illegal acts and it's widely accepted that both acts are wrong. Alcohol in moderation isn't. Are according to the London Met stats Alcohol overall isn't as big a crime problem (directly and indirectly) as hard drugs. Hence why they got Cannabis down graded as the hard drug problem neeeded far more focus and resource to stop it being out of control.

I wasn't previously aiming to provide the answers to every point raised in this topic and that doesn't mean I was avoiding any points either. I was answering something I concieved as a "misconception about the effects of hard drugs" and only really have bitter experence to argue with so I appolgise if I came across as "Daily Mail" (I'm still shocked by that).

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I always find the cocain theroys for kids interesting.

last weekend it cost me £50 for a gramm, average ammount, where do children get the cash for that?

Ah yes they are all running about robbing ppl. im not prud to say it but ive done alot of drugs in my life and met alot of ppl.

pot is sold to younger children, cocain, its to risky. and free samples? hardley, to expensive. 1 line wont get you hooked either, its takes alot.
from what ive seen of course.

I think drink is a bigger problem, and leads to more violence and crime.
its far easier to aquire of course, and not as frowned upon.

[Optimus Prime Rib]

I have the same problem with country music. It makes me violent

[Jetfire]

I always find the cocain theroys for kids interesting.

last weekend it cost me £50 for a gramm, average ammount, where do children get the cash for that?

Ah yes they are all running about robbing ppl. im not prud to say it but ive done alot of drugs in my life and met alot of ppl.

pot is sold to younger children, cocain, its to risky. and free samples? hardley, to expensive. 1 line wont get you hooked either, its takes alot.
from what ive seen of course.

i can only speak from experence but from the serious issue and problesm in some kids in our school Coke takes the prize for "Super destructive" and you have your head buried in the sand if you don't know a kid can't aquire £50 in several hours if they need it.

I think drink is a bigger problem, and leads to more violence and crime.
its far easier to aquire of course, and not as frowned upon.

Not according to the polices. Directly maybe its clear alcohol causes problems, especially on a saturday night say, but down the line, drugs has a far more bigger negative effect.

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Well from my experience i dont see it that way.

To be honest if u think that when a nightclub is full of ppl mainly drinking more then they should, and when they kick everyone out at closing were talking thousands of drunk ppl that can commit a crime.

in contrast to ppl doing cocain, its not gonna be the same ammount as all the night clubs put together is it?

Cocain doesnt make ppl violent either, it makes them arrognat in general.

from what I kow, have experienced for years, and what I see. drink causes more issues then anyone doing coke.

[Best First]

no doubt.

And I'm shocked you compared me with the Daily mail.

without a strong degree of conformity civilisation falls down.

uh-huh.