Moderators:Best First, spiderfrommars, IronHide
I think this is one of the genuinely problematic issues for the "fundamentalist atheist" crowd, including Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and our own beloved Emvee and Smoothie. Heh. Smoothie.spiderfrommars wrote:
Would America ever elect an athiest?
That may be true, but the fact that its come down to that is proof itself that the issue was blown out of proportion by both sides.Shanti418 wrote: I'm not denying that there's a strain of "Whee, we're progressive" thought, but what I'm saying is that the "I'm not voting for a 'Black Muslim President'" people WAY outnumber them.
He may not be directly using them as a promotional tool, it really seems as though hes tried to defer from that point of view. Im not quite convinced that his supporters and the other Democratic party member arent. My entire point is that he shouldnt be judged or categorized by his race/religion. The media has been questioning since day 1 if America is ready for a 'Black President with a Muslim background'.But I don't think he uses them, they're used upon him. The Obama campaign's stance is that they're supporting a biracial guy who has been a lifelong Christian. If the media and the common man need to catagorize him based upon his skin color and last name, that's certainly not Obama's fault.
The way the polls are looking at this point, I really hope you're right. Our Generation is in the middle of a giant s**t-storm. We have even more national debt to contend with as well as the looming issue of the retiring Baby Boomers. If he can REALLY fix these things, then I'll be amazed. We'll just have to see.I know, but this is our best chance for the system to do something:
President (Obama) that draws support from both sides of the aisle? Check.
Post Baby Boomer President not wrapped up in cultural wars that began in the 60s?
Check.
Cultural Climate where the American people are open to(and in fact need) serious reform and change?
Check.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY....
The Democratic Party could control all of Congress and the Presidency, and could even possibly get a fillabuster proof 60 seats in the Senate.
That's not even mentioning Supreme Court nominations coming up.
And I don't mean the political system. My personal opinion is that if America is a building, I would suggest we just demolish it and build it again better using many of the same materials and ideas. But at this point, all we have is one political system, and Obama will make it work for us more so than McCain.
This I know, the point I was making was that Obama has been portrayed through the media as Black Muslim (or with Muslim ties). My mistake for the lack of " " around it.sprunker wrote: Uh, he's Protestant, dude.
Ah, true brilliance in action.sprunkner wrote:I come to you bearing the single greatest Sarah Palin parody EVER:
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1831461
Too bad it's bloody true tho... 
HAH..! Is this woman bloody dim or something?? Didn't she realize this was going to come out in the open and bite her arguably well-shaped arse?Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:The world wants Obama, as the other guy looks like a dick. anyhows...
HAHA Sarah, bye bye...
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... 18225?f=vg
Must be others?Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:**** me... I was watching McCain at a rally - some old woman in the crowd took the mic to ask a question.
Shes gos on to call Obama an 'Arab' - oh dear god, this is why it should not be your legal right to vote. Its scary to think there must be others out there in the USA who think that Obama is in fact an Arab, and we cant very well having an Arab running the USofA now can we... **** the bed!
Or... his advisors are trying to boost his image by making him appear to be the good guy by having actors on the payroll acting as nutjobs at the rallies.sprunkner wrote:Apparently McCain thinks Obama's an okay guy... or he's just realized that his followers are mostly nuts.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/n ... in110.html
No, there was an earlier part where he tells people (to boos) that no one has to be scared of an Obama presidency. He's legit. What you saw was McCain circa 2000. Problem is, McCain has had to compromise who he is to gather up the nutjob base, and now that he's refusing to give them their red meat, they're like, "WTF?"Rebis wrote:Or... his advisors are trying to boost his image by making him appear to be the good guy by having actors on the payroll acting as nutjobs at the rallies.sprunkner wrote:Apparently McCain thinks Obama's an okay guy... or he's just realized that his followers are mostly nuts.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/n ... in110.html
Best First wrote:I thought we could just meander between making well thought out points, being needlessly immature, provocative and generalist, then veer into caring about constructive debate and make a few valid points, act civil for a bit, then lower the tone again, then act offended when we get called on it, then dictate what it is and isn't worth debating, reinterpret a few of my own posts through a less offensive lens, then jaunt down whatever other path our seemingly volatile mood took us in.
Professor Smooth wrote:There are people at McCain rallies shouting KILL HIM and HE'S A TERRORIST! Can you imagine, can you honestly imagine, people being stupid enough to believe that a Presidential contender is a SECRET ARAB MUSLIM TERRORIST? "All these idiots like that Obama guy, don't they know that he's a terrorist who wants to make white people slaves?" I can't even imagine going about my day with thoughts like that in my head. Maybe, though, people get the government they deserve.
If Obama does not win this election, then I will lose all sympathy for the American people. They did nothing in 2000 when the electoral process was unarguably hijacked. They voted to keep him in office after four dismal years, and now, after eight of the worst years in American history, eight years that have poisoned much of the rest of the world as well, they're given the choice between somebody who, at the very least, is not a fear-mongering cretin and a guy who thinks that Sara Palin could one day be a competent President.
If Obama loses, I want to see it all come crashing down. I want to see all of the sensible people leave the country, en mass. I want to see those who are left behind riot in the streets and cause tremendous property damage. I want to see McCain pull a William Henry Harrison and watch as the country deals with President Sara Palin. I want her to overturn Roe v Wade. I want to see 13 year old victims of incest forced to choose between having a their fathers' grandsons or unsafe and illegal backdoor abortions. I want the US to go to war with Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. I want to see the draft reinstated and hear stories about what happens when a culture of people raised on Xbox, iPods, and 36 inch pizzas are shipped overseas with guns. And I want to watch Bill O'Reilly and Fox News try to spin it into something great.
The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "save us" and [the rest of the world]'ll look down and whisper... "no."
You've been around Brendocon too long. You're seeing conspiracies everywhere.Rebis wrote:Or... his advisors are trying to boost his image by making him appear to be the good guy by having actors on the payroll acting as nutjobs at the rallies.sprunkner wrote:Apparently McCain thinks Obama's an okay guy... or he's just realized that his followers are mostly nuts.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/n ... in110.html
Because back here in America, I'd be afraid to say what you just said.Professor Smooth wrote:What does this have to do with what I said?Yaya wrote:
Freedom of speech.
Must be nice to have.
Professor Smooth wrote:What does this have to do with what I said?Yaya wrote:
Freedom of speech.
Must be nice to have.
Best First wrote:I thought we could just meander between making well thought out points, being needlessly immature, provocative and generalist, then veer into caring about constructive debate and make a few valid points, act civil for a bit, then lower the tone again, then act offended when we get called on it, then dictate what it is and isn't worth debating, reinterpret a few of my own posts through a less offensive lens, then jaunt down whatever other path our seemingly volatile mood took us in.
Trust me. If a Muslim in America says it, it is too crazy.Shanti418 wrote:Professor Smooth wrote:What does this have to do with what I said?Yaya wrote:
Freedom of speech.
Must be nice to have.
Meh, there wasn't that much in there that's TOO crazy, as long as you understand its a Rorsarch quote.
