Doctor Who - Series 4

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:47 am

I'm in love with Alex. Have been ever since Moll Flanders!

Re: Midnight. A worked up mob willing to throw the Doctor out of the bus was more disturbing than any Doctor Who monster I can ever remember. I'm bored to death of RTD's detractors. A story like this goes to show he would be an asset on the writing team of any future producer.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:48 pm

Inclined to agree on the RTD front - for the most part the slagging off of him has become far more monotonous dull and predictable than anything he has been responsible for.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:14 pm

It's far more fun though?

I won't be allowed to do it after the next year or so - have to get as much in as I can whilst still possible!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:19 pm

Cloister Bell!

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:48 pm

http://io9.com/5020606/doctor-whos-russ ... ichael-bay

found that a fun summarisation.

quite the ending!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:59 pm

The girls in my office are saying, "I'll stop watching if David Tennant leaves."

Is this what it has come to!?

Stolen Earth got the highest audience appreciation index for a DW episode ever. Can't say I'm surprised. Exciting stuff.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:00 am

Yes, there seems to be quite a bit of competition for DTs hand in marriage in my office.

The only solution i can think of is if we put someone even more attractive in the Who-spot.

I'm looking at you Dave.

Altho i think its probably a double bluff (altho a fun one) so we may be denied the hairiest doctor yet.

Don't like these clone rumours tho (altho they may make sense in the context of 'the threefold man') with two potential DTs running around...

clones are never good are they? Name me a good clone anyone?

Stryfe? Can't even spell (stones in glass houses there...)
Joseph? Boo.
Ben Rileigh? Argh. Altho not as argh as more recent developments i guess.
Dolly? a prematurely dead sheep.
Euan Macregor in The Island? Just a bit dull - but still not good!

No, clones are bad.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:16 am

Was it the best cliffhanger, like, ever?

I fully expect David T to save the world next week to be honest. The main question is, how??

Best First wrote:we may be denied the hairiest doctor yet.

Their loss.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:08 am

Best First wrote:clones are never good are they? Name me a good clone anyone?

John Crichton? Or however it's spelt.

We've already got one clone of the Doctor running around, albeit with tits that jiggle as she runs.

Spidey wrote:Was it the best cliffhanger, like, ever?

Hell no.

I fully expect David T to save the world next week to be honest. The main question is, how??

Repeat of last year's "deus ex machina so that none of it actually happened"?

The way I see it, either the BBC have pulled off the greatest coup ever in recasting the role without anybody finding out (including fake pics of Tennant on set for the xmas special), or we're in for some form of cop-out. And considering the vultures masquerading as media who are usually tripping over themselves to ruin any surprise, I can't see David Tennant not being there at the end of the episode.

Wouldn't surprise me for them to "do a Farscape" and have one Doctor bugger off with Rose to Pete's Universe to live happily ever after and raise lots of jiggle-icious timebabies.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:00 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:Was it the best cliffhanger, like, ever?

I fully expect David T to save the world next week to be honest. The main question is, how??

Best First wrote:we may be denied the hairiest doctor yet.

Their loss.

Hair loss?

Hmm, lady who clone. with boobies. damnit.

Not as good as Sally Sparrow tho!

Really hope we are not in for magical reset button.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:38 pm

Spidey wrote:Was it the best cliffhanger, like, ever?

Brend wrote:Hell no..

I'm thinking the Master reveal in Utopia... about to crash into a planet in Androzani Pt 3... 1st Doctor regenerates in Tenth Planet Pt 4... Dalek climbing the stairs in Remembrance Pt 1 and... no, can't think of any others. Top 5 then?

Brend wrote:Repeat of last year's "deus ex machina so that none of it actually happened"?.

Well I didn't mind the resolution last year but I certainly wouldn't want to see it used again.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:52 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:
Spidey wrote:Was it the best cliffhanger, like, ever?

Brend wrote:Hell no..
I'm thinking the Master reveal in Utopia... about to crash into a planet in Androzani Pt 3... 1st Doctor regenerates in Tenth Planet Pt 4... Dalek climbing the stairs in Remembrance Pt 1 and... no, can't think of any others. Top 5 then?

Ah, right. Best Who cliffhanger ever.

Because it's not even the best tv cliffhanger I've seen in the last month... although the delay between episodes of BSG does a lot to enhance that one.

The knowledge that there's no way Tennant's not going to be the Doctor this time next week does a bit to undermine the end of The Stolen Earth. Same for the imminent deaths of all the supporting cast... if I believed for a second that they'd actually kill of SJS, Gwen and Ianto, then yeah, awesome... but as it stands, there wasn't really a lot of dramatic tension there for me.

Still has me quite excited for the next bit though, so it's done its job. It's a "how are they going to get round this then" cliffhanger, as opposed to the "what the hell is going to happen next" kind that Galactica relentlessly serves up.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:41 pm

He's been zapped by Daleks before and not needed to regenerate.

This time the 'glow' was only to his upper body and on his left side. Perhaps the regeneration will only be so far as to repair the cells in his body.

Perhaps his time as the Time Vortex has altered to some extent what it means to regenerate and a clue to that being the resurrection of Jenny without regeneration.

Or, as Brend said, cop-out.

Also, isn't K9 the most faithful companion. Of the Doctor, at least...

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:43 pm

Rebis wrote:Perhaps his time as the Time Vortex has altered to some extent what it means to regenerate and a clue to that being the resurrection of Jenny without regeneration.

I just took that as being the whole "first X hours of lifespan" loophole, as per Tennant's hand growing back in The Christmas Invasion.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:29 am

Brendocon wrote:
Ah, right. Best Who cliffhanger ever. Because it's not even the best tv cliffhanger I've seen in the last month... although the delay between episodes of BSG does a lot to enhance that one.

BSG and Lost have had some amazing cliffhangers, but they're often lessened by the fact that they're not resolved for possibly years(!). A DW cliffhanger is resolved the next week which adds to the excitement. Well mine anyway.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:34 pm

I agree!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:38 am

In fact, with all the various plot threads left in the air, The Stolen Earth actually resembles the format of a typical US show's end of season finale... which is often an infuriating place to leave viewers dangling for 6 or more months!

Post by **Best First** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:38 am

hmm, yes, spot on.

My god i think i would have exploded if they had doen that.

What i love most tho is...

my housemates love it!
my colleagues love it!

There is so much Who love!

Blah Blah Russel T Davies Rubbish blah blah - everyone loves it! **** off!

ok, not everyone. And consensus is no measure of quality. But it was fun to say.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:25 pm

Best First wrote:

ok, not everyone. And consensus is no measure of quality. But it was fun to say.

But yeah, with virtually only Corrie and Eastenders more popular here theres a lot more than just the fans to cater to. Its quite mad to think BSG only gets about 2 million viewers in its own country and DW gets 7-8 million here.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:30 pm

10 million on Saturday according to the popular press...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:07 am

The Charlene Robinson xmas episode got 13 million.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:10 am

30 million people bought the soundtrack to Titanic.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:33 am

30.15 million viewers watched Den serve Angie divorce papers (Christmas 1986) - Wiki

Snowcat · Post by **Snowcat** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:32 pm

I have to admit, I'm quite looking forward to tomorrow's finale.

I just hope ol' Rusty doesn't let me down this time. Come on, just this once, surprise everyone.

Post by **Best First** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:45 pm

less than an hour to go!

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:50 pm

Brendocon wrote:Wouldn't surprise me for them to "do a Farscape" and have one Doctor bugger off with Rose to Pete's Universe to live happily ever after and raise lots of jiggle-icious timebabies.

Damn I'm good.

Great fun. Even if DoctorDonna was irritating as hell. Jackie Tyler taking the piss made up for it, though.

Quality ending. I nearly thought about welling up. And it means no more Tate. Like, ever. I hope.

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:35 am

Aye, enjoyed that. And much like Brend, I considered welling up at the end....that Bernard Cribbins bloke is ace!

Did I miss the bit where the cause / point / relevance of the Torchwood 'time bubble' (or whatever it was that happened in Torchwood HQ) was explained?

Looks like we have Martha and Mickey/Rickey (whatever! I can't remember which he is!) as the new Torchwood members. Cool

And K9 should have been in it more.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:26 am

Very cluttered. But gotta say, it looked like it cost a zillion pounds to make.

Rose's exit was WTF and perfectly logical at the same time. Donna's exit, rather poignant I thought.

Having German Daleks was pretty twisted.

Scraplet wrote:
Did I miss the bit where the cause / point / relevance of the Torchwood 'time bubble' (or whatever it was that happened in Torchwood HQ) was explained?

Apparently it was something Tosh had been working on.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:56 am

I do think the time bubble was a bit of a cop-out.

"Hrm, let's get them out of their cliffhanger through deus ex machina... then they'll basically just have to sit around waiting for another one to actually get them out properly. But at least it saves us from having to think up a subplot for them until they're needed a bit later on."

As Cliffy said at the Archive, Gallifreyan justice = aces.

"Commited genocide? Here, have a happily-ever-after with the jigglacious blonde."

Obviously there's a "using it as an excuse" subtext, but I like to take things at face value for comedic effect.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:36 pm

They just make it up as they go along dont they? - I did enjoy last nights episode but the way they just make up plot devices at every given second ruins it for me.

Assistant: "Were all going to die from weapon X!"
Dr "(delete where applicable) Dont worry, I just installed these weapon X shields! / I Just remebered how to stop weapon X! / I Have met a race that knows how to stop weapon X! "

Thundercats thundertank ahoy...

Take last night, 'Whatever' women gets hit by Davross, thus activating the Dr's mind in her... how convienent, heaven forbid it might harm her and all, she then gos on to flip some switchs which deactivates all the Darleks etc... hmm, how convienent, has no one ever done this before?...
why didnt I think of flipping flipping random switchs before to defeat this evil race? oh because shes half human, and we think up **** like this? oh please!

Also, why on earth would the Darleks want to destroy everything in the known universe (actually all Universes for that matter) what would they do then, just sit there and do nothing? without anything left to duff up in the universe thier existance would be pretty pointless. all thos fancy space ships, pointless, no where to go. Weapons, pointless, no one to kill etc... it gos on, and on...

Ok, maybe its just me, maybe im missing the entire point that the plot lines are supposed to be GCSE like, the special effects utter turd, and the puppets look like somthing from the 1960's erm Dr Who or somthing?

And Rose, sort your eyebrows out!

Rose said she escaped her universe by using some sort of universe escaping device, cant they just use it again?