Spider-Man 3 (spoilers eventually)

Post by **snarl** » Wed May 09, 2007 8:54 am

PP goes to meet MJ to propose to her, with the flowers, just after MJ has had a run in with naughty again Harry.

Yeah, that JJ scene was great!

Without knowing for sure that he's dead, I thought blowing up Venom was a bit of a waste.

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:46 am

snarl wrote:PP goes to meet MJ to propose to her, with the flowers, just after MJ has had a run in with naughty again Harry.

hmm, seems an odd thing to pick on to me.

Without knowing for sure that he's dead, I thought blowing up Venom was a bit of a waste.

Yeah, loved how Spidey dealt with him though, the passion in his eys as he rammed those poles into the ground was great.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:02 pm

Where was Peters spidey sense in this flick?

The Goblin scooped him up easily from his scooter.
A meteor dropped out of the sky and landed right next to him.

His spidey sense wasn't exactly tingling.

And I understand that this is a comic book movie, but I thought there was a bit too much "convenient stuff": the meteor crash landing right next to the most powerful dude in all of New York. The Sandman just happens to come across a truck filled with sand. Brock just happens to visit the same church that Spidey's at, etc.
I'd prefer if one of those were removed (maybe have the symbiot "search" for a suitable host).

Some of the editing was really sloppy (like when Peter's in his pimp mode and talking on the phone, whilst the neighbour serves him cookies and what not. The way he held the phone and his posture changed a lot during that scene).

Some of the scenes that were supposed to be serious biznizz were more funny than serious. Like when Tobey Maguire pretended to cry on the bridge.

The "Ah, I am evil now, walking around an... oh wait, a mirror. Hm, I can't wear my hair like this now that I'm evil! *puts some of the hair in his face* Ah.... there!" was weird. The makeup was also weird.

And, as I've said, I didn't care for the pimp montage. Walking around like the Fonz. It was ridicolous. Me feeling this is mostly because it was pretty badass when he shoved Brock in to the wall and was all angry and ****. That was cool (but mixing up the goofy pimp walk with the "cool angriness" didn't work, IMO).
I see the point of "Peter is a nerd, even when he's trying to be cool" - but the pimp walk was a bit over the top (I feel the same about the dancing. Overstaging her with the piano? Coolness. Flying around like a monkey? Silly. I like that he hit her in the face though).

Some of the comic relief didn't work at all (Jameson buying that girls camera? Sure... her not including film? Get the [composite word including 'f*ck'] out).

Brock growing ******* fangs? Gha... A bit too much - but Venom was cool.

Some things I liked:
Jameson was great. His face when Peter is sitting at his desk was priceless.
The action scenes were great.
The dinner scene was great fun (that was a good moment for comic relief, IMO).
The scene where Sandman learns to walk was awesome.
It was nice that the villains weren't simply out for world domination.

I'll definitely buy the Spider-Man Trilogy DVD-Box - but I thought this was a pretty weak movie.

EDIT: Reading my own post made me think "They had me in the palm of their hand... but then the scen went just a little bit to far, and they lost me".

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:13 pm

That's a good point. Spidey Sense didn't do jack in fighting with Sandman or Green Goblin. Like when GG sends all those flying Goblin blades at him in the chase scene and Spidey's all freakin'g out, it's like, "whatever dude, you can dodge bullets."

Therefore, there wasn't a real delineation between those two guys and Venom. It wouldn't have been very hard to explain that due to the symbiote's tiem with Spidey, it's impervious to Spidey Sense.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:21 pm

Although I didn't like it as much as some of you guys did, I can't really understand the bad reviews it's getting either.

I mean, I thought Pirates II was all over the place, and it got rave reviews. I kind of feel this flick was similiar in its pacing and action, only better (save for acting), and it's getting thumbs down.

Guess the only critic that matters is yourself.

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:43 pm

don't seem to be stopping people going to the box office anyway.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:46 pm

"Weekend, $151.000.000"

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Wed May 09, 2007 5:12 pm

I think it was actually closer to $350 million if you look at worldwide box office. Which broke SW: ROTS's record.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed May 09, 2007 8:35 pm

Best First wrote:don't seem to be stopping people going to the box office anyway.

Truth. Coming out thinking "hrm, that wasn't actually as good as it should have been" doesn't take away the £6.50 I just handed over.

Hrm? Oh, yeah. Just saw it (yeah, I reckon I'm like the last person in the world). It was okay, good fun. Not as good as it might have been... realised my original fear of them just cramming in too much... ended up doing lots of things reasonably well rather than a few things brilliantly. Collapsed under the weight of its own plot, to some degree.

I thought Grace was awesome, if underused. Sandman's theme was a bit wank and offputting. JJJ is your god.

I have only skimmed the last page of this thread.

Now looking forward to Parrots 3 in a fortnight.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Thu May 10, 2007 12:51 am

My gf asked me how Spider-Man 3 did at the box office. I told her it broke records. When she asked which one, I told her, "all of them."

I'm curious to see how it does in the long run, though. I mean, everyone who is going to see it saw it this week. Really, there's only repeat business and super-casual viewers left.

Might go again tomorrow, if just to buy more of the crazy Japanese Spider-Man merch they sell at the theater.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:09 am

George Lucas has an opinion.

"It's silly. It's a silly movie," he said. "There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there? People thought 'Star Wars' was silly, too," he added, with a wink. "But it wasn't."

Post by **snarl** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:14 am

George Lucas who made those Prequels?

That George Lucas?

The guy responsible for the one that had a scene where the main protagonist looked like he was knocking one out whilst thinking about his own mum?

That one?

George Lucas is a ****.

Post by **Best First** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:42 am

is that real?

If so - utter brilliance.

This from a man who manages to streach the 'plot' "Turns out Darth Vader was a whiney jackass" out over three terrible, terrible films.

Not much story!

Man i hope that quote is real.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:49 am

Here's a story about it.

Here's another site.

I believe there's a video of it as well. Can't find the url though. I'll see if I can find it after I've had lunch!

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu May 10, 2007 1:48 pm

You know what's silly? Jar-Jar Binks

It's that last part of the comment that I find the most funny, as if Lucas views Star Wars as some sort of "Citizen Kane," while summer popcorn movies like Spider Man are akin of "Weekend at Bernie's" (which although silly, was also quite good, or at lesat the first one)

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu May 10, 2007 2:18 pm

It's that last part of the comment that I find the most funny, as if Lucas views Star Wars as some sort of "Citizen Kane,"

Citizen Kane is (in my view, at any rate) a pile of drawn out self indulgent rubbish. So in that regard, not at all unlike the SW prequels.

Post by **Best First** » Thu May 10, 2007 2:30 pm

Obfleur wrote:Here's a story about it.

Here's another site.

Oh George, you daft c***.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Thu May 10, 2007 4:47 pm

If Lucas directed Spider Man 3, 90% of the movie would have been the bridge scene. And after that Peter would go through New York killing children making up any excuse involving "his suffering".

angloconvoy · Post by **angloconvoy** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:16 am

Professor Smooth wrote: Might go again tomorrow, if just to buy more of the crazy Japanese Spider-Man merch they sell at the theater.

What's the local big-head spider-man thing your way? In Tokyo he's hanging from the Asakusa temple lantern, in Osaka he's holding takoyaki on a stick.

Aaron Hong · Post by **Aaron Hong** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:40 am

angloconvoy wrote:What's the local big-head spider-man thing your way? In Tokyo he's hanging from the Asakusa temple lantern, in Osaka he's holding takoyaki on a stick.

So much for Doc Ock still at large...

Was there a Stan Lee cameo in this one?

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:06 am

Aaron Hong wrote:Was there a Stan Lee cameo in this one?

There was. They even let him say "nuff said".

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:30 am

angloconvoy wrote: What's the local big-head spider-man thing your way? In Tokyo he's hanging from the Asakusa temple lantern, in Osaka he's holding takoyaki on a stick.

He's a cat swinging through Tenjin.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Wed May 16, 2007 11:07 am

'sup duders?
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Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed May 16, 2007 1:09 pm

Genius.

rusty_herring · Post by **rusty_herring** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:43 pm

Did anyone in any of your theatres burst out laughing when Brock is sitting in the church and saying, "Please God, kill Peter Parker."

And I agree about the Butler. I felt that whole part was a little too 'Batman' for me. And why didn't he tell Harry about this a little 'before' things went a little too far?

I did enjoy Peter turning around and flinging the bomb back in Harry's face, but I thought the scenes with Harry were a little tacked on.

I'm thinking they had to 'kill' off Venom because he's so crazy that there is no way there could have been an ending to that film with Venom still 'at large' and you would feel any closure. (Which I believe is the same reason they could only use him at the end w/Sandman)

I thought Venom was good... but I've heard people complaining they wish his voice would've been more like it was in the cartoons/video games. To be honest when I watched the movie I didn't even notice, I was just like, "hell yeah, they got the eyes and teeth".

I hope the Lizard makes an appearance sometime down the road, the doctor guy has been in a couple movies now and he's missing his arm!

wideload · Post by **wideload** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:44 pm

Just got back from this one. I thought it was exactly what you would expect. A couple scenes were a bit longer than they needed to be, but I have no idea why this movie is getting such bad word of mouth. What do people honestly expect from a movie like this? I found this instalment to be slightly better than the first movie, but not as good as the second.

Apparently lots of people are complaining about the sandman, but I thoguht the actor who played him did a pretty good job. What do people expect from him, he is playing the sandman. Not exactly the deepest or most complex character in movie history. His story line was also pretty fundamental to the main theme of the movie (the whole revenge vs. forgiveness thing).

This wasnt shakespeare, but who was expecting it to be? Its a summer blockbuster and I found it quite entertaining. Although emo Peter Parker was a bit much.

Post by **Best First** » Thu May 17, 2007 6:51 am

Yeah, iwas thinking this the other day, i think how much you enjoy a film like this depends on what you are willing to accept when you walk into the cincema.

I mean you know its a comic book movie right?

So all that matters is, is it a good comic book movie?

And for me it was.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Thu May 17, 2007 11:24 am

And for me it was good when it could've been great.

Aaron Hong · Post by **Aaron Hong** » Fri May 25, 2007 5:24 am

rusty_herring wrote:Did anyone in any of your theatres burst out laughing when Brock is sitting in the church and saying, "Please God, kill Peter Parker."

Y'know... I remember mentioning yey back that Brion Thompson would fit the role of Venom better, and hated the idea of Topher Grace, but it's all making sense now - they needed someone who could convincingly portray Peter's equal, well near-equal, for the whole of the competing-photographers stage, and with a sense of humor to match. Brion Thompson look like he photographed the Gulf War.

So now we have Topher Grace as a villain, with more in common with our Spidey, his old symbiote suit and a sense of humor... it's not Venom. It's Carnage.

Professor Smooth wrote:
Gwen and Captain Stacy, though. They added nothing to the movie. They were props and that's being generous. Those two characters exist to die. And they didn't do that. You could have EASILY tossed in Felicia Hardy in place of Gwen and had some sense made of it.

At the very least have Cpt Stacy voice his disapproval of Gwen's modelling career, especially after the crane scene. It would be cliched but THAT would at least be something.

Obfleur wrote: And the dancing in the jazz club? Gha. Hideous!

In the same way that Wolverine is the Toshiro Mifune of the comic-book heroes, this sort of says that Spider-Man's the Fred Astaire. Down to the chair stunt.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun May 27, 2007 4:46 pm

Coming from me - and don't be insulted when I say this, but I don't like Spiderman - this movie was easily the best Comic book movie after Batman Begins.

They remained true to the original source (from the trailers I was worried the black suit will only be a manifestation of Peter's anger) - and handled the Symbiote in an excellent way.

The Peter/Mary J. story was excellent... I still don't like Parker as a character but I understand him now.

Sandman... excellent. He was made into an emotional and tragic villain in the same way Batman TAS upgraded Mr. Freeze into what he is today. Really excellent.

Loved it when he couldn't control his form at first and his love for his daughter gave him strength to assume human shape.

But my real fav. was the Harry story... I didn't read many comics and only knew him from the cartoon, but still I think they stayed true to the lines, I was worried he'd be retconned into the Hobgoblin, thankfully he became very interesting... I was very sad at the ending when he died.

Brock was a surprise for me... I was expecting him to get the symbiote at the end of the movie and to see Venom only in SM 4. His fall from grace (as well as Peter's) was greatly shown, though he should have appeared more often as Brock to make him more memorable. The church scene was excellent - I think that wasn't so in the comics, right? But showing Eddie praying to God for Peter's death was to show how deep he has sunk.

I liked that they tossed in so many characters, Gwen, Dr. Connors, Captain Stacey... Oh and who else noticed Steve Valentine (Nigel from 'Crossing Jordan') as the fashion-photographer?

The CGI was stunning... the crane accident, especially, but all the scenes with Sandman were excellent too. When Spidey took down Venom in the end, and especially the Symbiote assuming a shape on its own... was excellent. If we ever see Carnage, I hope he looks like that. The scene where Peter was jumping around in his normal clothes was awesome, especially the 'cathcing the ring' scenes.

My nitcpicks:

-Venom should have been more muscular. In every media prior to this, Venom was always larger and stronger then Spidey.

-I know that the director wanted facial expressions, but characters shouldn't take off their masks for 80% of the action scenes... Harry's helmet was hardly ever on (and that's why he almost broke his neck...), and Venom always kept changing his face back to Eddie's...

-Dr. Connors says he's a physicist... :? Shouldn't he be a biologist? (one of the reasons he's my fav. spidey villain) And he should have one arm missing, no?

-Peter always ends up with his mask ripped off and fighting without it... now I bet half of New-York knows his identity.

All in all, I really enjoyed it, which was surpising to me after the abysmal Part 2. They really could have left that one out - other then Harry's descent to madness it really didn't accomplish anything, and Doc Ock would have worked better as the typical 'will sacrifice anything for science' mad genius he is. I really hated part 2, Part 1. was excellent, and I think 3. is even better. This coming from me, who was never a Spidey fan...

Btw - I don't think the symbiote is dead. Remember, Conners still has a sample. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd test it on someone, resulting in the creation of Carnage (and maybe costing Conners an arm).

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