Vote Saxon - (Discussion on Doctor Who Series 3)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:39 pm

Brendocon wrote:
Rebis wrote:Gonna have to wait until Friday, now, to see why "one to the past, one to the future" has added "and another one to the past"! Oh well.
If you spot it, let us know. I saw the entire episode and didn't understand it. "Detour" apparantly...

Well, having missed both the BBC3 repeats. it finally occurred to me to watch it on Replay. Seems that having been to New New York, the Doctor decided to side-trip to Old New York. That's all I got.

Anyway, next week's is set in the present, so there's bound to be a Saxon reference or two.

And on that note, I'm going to change my guess from Omega to the Monk. A meddling Time Lord last seen abandoned on a desolate planet without a way off. Probably absent during the Time War, possibly found some flotsam from the War, has been shown to have a vested interest in the development of a (Anglo-)Saxon nation.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:02 am

spiderfrommars wrote:I thought Evolution of the Daleks was the worst of series 3 so far. Not terrible, but it just felt so... busy.

Yeah, trying to squeeze too much into a two parter!! They could have left out the whole part about the human-daleks and then not-rushed Sec's sacrifice/Caan's revolt.

What bugs me a bit is that, if the cult had enough power left to do more Emergancy Temperal Shifts then why didn't they do so earler instead of skulking around the sewers of 30s New York? (The Doc comments that they drained the power reserves badly making the first jump)
(although i just thought, maybe it was the 'gamma strike' that recharged Caan's batteries... although that wasn't explained...)

Also, i would just love it if the next Dalek story was called "The Wrath of Caan"... do you think they could get away with it? (Mind you, i still think they should have called last week's episode "Sec's in the City"... )

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue May 01, 2007 1:51 pm

Yeah, they could have dropped the human dalek army I feel, which weren't realised very excitingly and took up too much time.

They can't choose where they jump with the temporal shifts so I guess thats why they didn't use it before.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat May 05, 2007 11:09 pm

Lots of good acting in the Lazarus Experiment tonight. Much better than last week's. But best of all was that trailer... second half of the season looks awesome!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun May 06, 2007 11:43 am

Mr Saxon gained a first name - Harold!

Very 11th Century, I reckon.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Sun May 06, 2007 8:13 pm

Rebis wrote:Mr Saxon gained a first name - Harold!

Do we get to meet his wife Madge tho?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:30 pm

lol.

Ok, both season trailers have voice-overs at the end, while showing clips of Saxon and the Doctor.

The two voice-overs have been respectively:

"He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time and he can see the turn of the universe."

and more recently,

"He's fire, and ice. And rage. And the night. He's like the storm at the heart of the sun."

My first assumption was that these are referring to the Doctor, as the voice sounded like Harriett Jones' P.A., and then I thought sounded more like the man (who's probably in Saxon's employ) who tells Martha's mother about the Doctor.

However, it's also possible that it's the Saxon guy talking about Saxon himself.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:00 pm

John Simm is so gonna make the Doctor his bitch.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:18 pm

and then warn him in a threatening manner to stay out of Camberwick Green.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Thu May 10, 2007 8:45 am

And it's also about time killer scarecrows turned up in TV Who (apart from Pertwee obviously).

Post by **Best First** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:43 am

i am consistantly missing Who - i am a bad geek.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:12 pm

Best First wrote:i am consistantly missing Who - i am a bad geek.

No cable/satellite/digital/recording box at Chez Duggan with which to observe repeated showings?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:15 pm

Rebis wrote:
Best First wrote:i am consistantly missing Who - i am a bad geek.
No cable/satellite/digital/recording box at Chez Duggan with which to observe repeated showings?

Or time machine?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu May 10, 2007 10:43 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:
Rebis wrote:
Best First wrote:i am consistantly missing Who - i am a bad geek.
No cable/satellite/digital/recording box at Chez Duggan with which to observe repeated showings?
Or time machine?

Can't cross his own timestream, remember. He might've been watching the footy when it was on. nasty, that'd be.

Post by **Best First** » Fri May 11, 2007 7:27 am

don't have sky plus, usually miss the bbc3 repeats as well - i'm pretty busy these days.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:58 pm

Hmm.

Would've been more impressed had it not turned out to be him.

Now, Tim. That would've been impressive.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:18 pm

I was expecting it to be Him. I mean it's the obvious route to go. Never mind Him being fairly useless... name value and stuff.

Of course it does crack open a whole new can of worms and possibly retcons away an entire Doctor, but who cares? Ratings!

FFS.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:45 pm

Oh I dunno, I thought it was well handled. It's a shame were not going to see more of Jacobi, I thought he was great, but it's over to Mr Simm next week... fantastic!

Brendocon wrote:Of course it does crack open a whole new can of worms and possibly retcons away an entire Doctor, but who cares?

Not at all, all the previous Doctors are quite safe... they were all sketched, (Hartnell, Troughton, Pertwee, TomDoc, Davison, ColDoc, McCoy, McGann, Ecelscake, Tennant) in the Doctor's journal the other week in Human Nature, so there's no worries of that.

And besides, his fate was never established, even in the books it was only hinted at... and there's been that whole TimeWar since then... so who knows what happened (no pun intended).

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:18 pm

Legion wrote:so who knows what happened (no pun intended).

Well, quite obviously, who didn't know what happened!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:29 pm

There wasn't much to the episode, but none of that mattered what with that ending.

Though most people had figured out who Mr Saxon was, I didn't expect the Professor to be one and the same too. But once I twigged that the watch wasn't the Doctor's, I figured how the last 5 minutes of the ep were going to go.

Best of the new seasons easily for me. Only one duff episode (Evolution of the Daleks). Two if we count Runaway Bride. And the previous 3 episodes before tonight's were amongst the best ever.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:36 pm

Just realised something majorly important. Since you-know-who was able to regenerate (even though he's used up all his 'lives') then the Doctor will too when he's used up all his. Must be because the Time Lords are gone.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:02 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:Just realised something majorly important. Since you-know-who was able to regenerate (even though he's used up all his 'lives') then the Doctor will too when he's used up all his. Must be because the Time Lords are gone.

Or perhaps in having their physiologies rewritten by the watch, it defaults back to having a full set of regenerations?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:28 pm

Legion wrote:And besides, his fate was never established, even in the books it was only hinted at... and there's been that whole TimeWar since then... so who knows what happened (no pun intended).

All his regenerations were used up when he was executed on Skaro, his essence possessed Eric Roberts and he got eaten by the TARDIS.

Fairly cut and dried as far as I can see.

Unless Rose properly ****** up when she opened the Heart of the Tardis...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:03 pm

Brendocon wrote:
Unless Rose properly ****** up when she opened the Heart of the Tardis...

Destroyed the Emperor of the Daleks, brought back The Master. Bummer!

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:03 pm

Although it's been pointed out by somebody far geekier than me (Cliffy, natch) that it's plausible it could be an earlier incarnation.

It would help if somebody would actually sit down and explain what the [composite word including 'f*ck'] the whole Time War thing actually involved, though. It's been so vague...

Post by **Kaylee** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:12 pm

Brendocon wrote:Although it's been pointed out by somebody far geekier than me (Cliffy, natch) that it's plausible it could be an earlier incarnation.

It would help if somebody would actually sit down and explain what the **** the whole Time War thing actually involved, though. It's been so vague...

The one problem with the most recent Who series is they tend to always follow the easiest explanation possible- over on ol' outpost gallifrey they come up with some of the most convoluted plot twists imaginable, and invariably the answer actually ends up being "because fred said so" or "ooh look it has a reverse button!"

So that means the master will be back because... he is. Or if any explanation is given it will be something about finally getting the right bus or somesuch

Not seen this 'un, TBH the last series had so many down moments I've found it very hard to summon up the strength to catch this one. Saw a bit of the Dalek one (which seems universally to be considered one of the weakest eps) and that one where they're all in cars driving forever (which was just anaemic I felt).

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:05 am

Brendocon wrote:
Legion wrote:And besides, his fate was never established, even in the books it was only hinted at... and there's been that whole TimeWar since then... so who knows what happened (no pun intended).
All his regenerations were used up when he was executed on Skaro, his essence possessed Eric Roberts and he got eaten by the TARDIS.

Fairly cut and dried as far as I can see.

Hmmm... just like the time we saw him burnt alive (Planet of Fire), only to later appear on the cat world (Survival) with no explanation... or trapped in a collapsing reality (Castravalva) only to later reappear on prehistoric earth (Time Flight) with no explanation... or trapped on an exploding world (Survival) only to later turn up on trial by the Daleks (TVM)...

basically, his escape/survival has never a) been explained b) been very plausible... so why break with tradition?

Oh and just to clear up, he's used up his regenerations by the start of 'The Deadly Assasin'... he's been body hoping since then...

Karl Lynch wrote: Not seen this 'un, TBH the last series had so many down moments I've found it very hard to summon up the strength to catch this one. Saw a bit of the Dalek one (which seems universally to be considered one of the weakest eps) and that one where they're all in cars driving forever (which was just anaemic I felt).

The start of this series was a bit rocky, but the latter half has been pretty top notch IMHO. On the whole though, far better than the last series.

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:22 am

I'll try and bittorrent it sometime then and see if the later eps catch my fancy

And you all know the explanation for the Master's return will be:

Doctor: Gah! The Master!
Master: Yep.
Doctor: You?
Master: Yahar.
Doctor: But how...?
Master: Aha!
Doctor: Where have you been all this time?
Master: Having breakfast.
Doctor: So you're here to...
Master: That's right!

ooooo-eeeeee-ooooooooo....

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:25 am

I honestly can't think of anything better on the telly right now.

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:38 am

spiderfrommars wrote:I honestly can't think of anything better on the telly right now.

Def. as far as terrestrial goes- even the naff episodes. The four main channels are in a shockingly bad way imo.

I do like being distracted by Family Guy on Sky tho