TRANSFEST COMIC

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:08 pm

I'll leave you to organise it all then.

Let me know if you need anything.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:31 pm

yes, that was my stated intent by suggesting this should be planned and done more collaboratively i was in fact saying you should leave and i should be in charge of the whole thing.

For goodness sake.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:37 pm

No your suggestion was that we should go back to the drawing board, put together an editorial group, do some date setting and all that.

Let me know when you're done.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:50 pm

operative word being we, not me - its almost a theme you could say.

although at this stage i'm really not sure why i am indulding this child like posturing as a result of me daring to criticise how this is currently proceeding.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:57 pm

Ok, I can see BF point of view, and I understand MV's point of view aswell.

MV, you are producing a story for us yes?

In keeping with the G1 comic format, will it be the length of one story?
I assume we can have more than 1 story in the comic, plus all the other bits, so can we not create a another story to be penned by whom ever.

We still have time to decide on all the other parts too.

I would suggest we need to utline quickly what we are going to do.
&
Maybe we do this in the other forum?

Post by **Best First** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:47 pm

Fine by me.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:19 pm

The text story is on its way... as soon as I can find it on my wife's computer. Damn laptop and it's high school-like level of problems.

Besty, I'm sorry, but I see nothing in this thread that's telling us to write around MV's idea. He's said to submit unrelated stuff in addition to these ideas. I wrote a totally unrelated text story that's going in (like I said, if it turns up before the deadline).

It might be best to think of the first post as a "here's some ideas if you're stuck but want to contribute" kind of thing. Agreed? Okay? Friends? Everybody hug, kiss, beer. Now.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:39 am

sprunkner wrote:Agreed?

No - this should have been a collabarative exercise from the start. Not someone going off and doing 4 months odf work in isolation and then coming back and saying this is what I have decided we are doing and you guys can add stuff if you want.

That's why Transfest was fun in the first place - we planned it as a group.
If i missed the conversation where we all agreed that one member of the forum was going to go of and plan this with a bunch of mates and then come back having aleady decided how half the comic is going to look i apologise, but i really don't recall one. Editorially i would expect us to decide on all content as a group and half the fun was editing each other scripts.

All he had to do was set up a topic in the appropriate forum and say 'this is what i am thinking ' - then we could have discussed it and gone from there.

"after all, this is a democracy isn't it"

Bad way to approach it, not unfair of me to say so, if ego's are brusied by that then i can live with it.

****ing internet...

Post by **snarl** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:19 am

Are you two going to be stabbing each other up at "The George" then?

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:39 am

Whoever survives the epic battle will have to adopt me (for one night).

Post by **Best First** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:40 am

Obfleur wrote:Whoever survives the epic battle will have to adopt me (for one night).

i concede.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:53 am

snarl wrote:Are you two going to be stabbing each other up at "The George" then?

Only if he buys me dinner first

Look, this is ridiculous. I made a post to try and inject some ethusiasm into the project, and to show what I've been working on in the hope that it might inspire other people to do the same and write a bunch of stuff for the comic. As sprunkner kindly noted, nowhere does it say that anyone has to follow my lead on this, but if people are stuck for ideas, my stories create a bit of an arc that they could use.

I am grateful for any input or positive criticism - two Firecons would definitely be better than three - but I don't recall running my script past anyone last time, at least until it was at the words-and-pictures-on-a-page stage - because I was largely making it up as I went along. Sometimes I even drew stuff without even knowing what the character was going to say! Crazy!

And yes, my ideas run to a bit more than the standard 11-page story. So what? I still fail to see what is stopping any member of this forum from writing a script, drawing it, colouring it in and submitting it for inclusion. There's no upper page limit on this thing, and I've been sourcing cheaper printing solutions to keep the price to a manageable level - whoops, see what I did there? I went and did something else before reviewing it in committee! Insane! Or what's to stop us hosting some stories on the site as a precursor to the ones in the comic? It would drive traffic to the site and add another level to the Transfest experience...who knows, we could even invite guest contributors from other boards and really make this a universal thing.

The point is that there's plenty of room for everyone in this comic, and I think it would be a strange comic editor indeed who thought to himself "hmmm...30+ pages of usuable content...nah, I think I'll rubbish that before we even start." Most people would be glad that someone took it on themselves to make a start on what is going to be a long and gruelling process, considering the amount of work it will take.

Like I said, there is nothing to stop any of you
A) writing a script
B) getting someone to draw it or
C) draw it yourself
D) colouring it in
and E) posting it here.

Or you can go the other route and
A) Post "Waaaah! I feel left out, MV did some work without asking me first!"

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:54 am

Oh, and Molestrangler is ****ing brilliant. Again.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:15 am

Metal Vendetta wrote: Or you can go the other route and
A) Post "Waaaah! I feel left out, MV did some work without asking me first!"

yeah, because that is what i said.

Putting words in my mouth is a great way to resolve this, well done mate. Bravo.

**** it. I have better things to do with my life than take sh*t off people who throw their toys out of the pram when i question how something with the name of the website that i appear to own on it is being done.

I really cannot be arsed anymore - the absolute only thing in my life that is a source of anything approaching negativity these days is this place.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:42 am

Best First wrote:I really cannot be arsed anymore - the absolute only thing in my life that is a source of anything approaching negativity these days is this place.

I'll buy it.

Post by **snarl** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:47 am

Dear oh ruddy dear.

Have to say I agree with Bez here.

We've not approached projects like this in our past and IMO the past projects have always worked.

I personally am put off by the way this has been delivered and how there appears to be no room for dicussion.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:13 am

snarl wrote:We've not approached projects like this in our past and IMO the past projects have always worked.

Mmm...'cause Transfest 2006 was such a great success.

I still don't see the problem - I'm producing a number of stories, what's the big deal? I'm not stopping anyone discussing this or producing more stories or contributing in any way, in fact I'm encouraging it. I'm offering to find artists for people, my skills in photoshop and a considerable amount of my time to this project - if you think I'm being heavy-handed, fine, I'd really rather not do everything - but all I wanted was to produce a great comic and to do as much as I could to get the ball rolling on this.

If my efforts aren't appreciated I'll limit my involvement to colouring Molestrangler and I'll leave the rest of you to it.

Post by **snarl** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:38 am

The way this has been done - to me - feels like you've assumed control on your authority and are now allowing us to submit stuff.

What if your ideas aren't universally accepted or liked?

What if somebody submits something that is plop?

Are we just going to include it all anyway?

This is more like your own comic with contributions - if you had presnted it this way, then I personally would have no problem.

It is not something that has been discussed - Wasn't the point of the other one to start something off together and gradually build something we all agreed on from top to bottom and then continue to build on it?

As I understand it, the new comic glosses completely over issue 1 - we are not picking up where it left off are we?

Nobody has said your efforts aren't appreciated at all. Please, dont keep saying that, cuz to me some of what you have said has the twinge of a W Bush "You're either with me or against me" smell - and it patently isn't about that, rather its about the lack of opportunity for the COMMUNITY to discuss the direction they'd like the comic to go in, as opposed to throwing in a several potentially non related stories and seeing how it works out. That's not a community offering - or at least not one as I see it or am interested in partaking in.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:40 pm

snarl wrote:The way this has been done - to me - feels like you've assumed control on your authority and are now allowing us to submit stuff.

What if your ideas aren't universally accepted or liked?

All I've done is taken the initiative to get this thing moving by writing some scripts, drawing some robots and talking to some talented - and well-connected - people that I know. If my presentation of those ideas to the board wasn't the best way to do it, fine, I'm sorry, I was trying to get everything into one post and communicate some of the enthusiasm and excitement that I was feeling towards this project, because, let's face it, if just ONE member of this forum can get 5+ stories done off his own bat, who knows what we could produce if everyone put their best efforts into it? If it looks like I'm trying to take this over, then perhaps that's because I've actually done something compared to those complaining on here who have done actually dick all.

I don't really care if my ideas aren't liked, but I do resent the implication that I should hand over creative control of strips I will be spending long hours creating to a committee. I must have missed the COMMUNITY post where everyone vetted Karl's Molestrangler script.

snarl wrote:What if somebody submits something that is plop?

Are we just going to include it all anyway?

Again, I'm not trying to take this over - but I imagine these things could easily be discussed in this topic, or another one, or we could have a board poll about it, or someone could help them make it a little less plop, or we could just include it all anyway and people can skip the bits that they think are plop.

See, this is discussion. In this thread. Which was my intention when I started it.

snarl wrote:This is more like your own comic with contributions - if you had presnted it this way, then I personally would have no problem.

Or it's like the Transfans comic to which I want to contribute a lot. Again, I think it's ****ing weird that you're turning down 30+ pages of content. It's almost as if someone were offering to do a ****load of hard work for nothing and no-one gives a ****.

snarl wrote:It is not something that has been discussed - Wasn't the point of the other one to start something off together and gradually build something we all agreed on from top to bottom and then continue to build on it?

I've no idea - last time I created a strip and it went in the comic. That's what I intended to do this time but with more strips. What's the difference?

snarl wrote:As I understand it, the new comic glosses completely over issue 1 - we are not picking up where it left off are we?

The story I did was self-contained, or rather a prelude to T2006. I don't really want to pick up there. If Besty wants to pick up his CG2 plotline, then he'd better get his writing head on and write it. If someone else wants to pick up off the end of my strip and write a sequel to that, fine, and if someone wants to write something completely unconnected to #1, again, fine. What's the beef?

snarl wrote:Nobody has said your efforts aren't appreciated at all. Please, dont keep saying that, cuz to me some of what you have said has the twinge of a W Bush "You're either with me or against me" smell - and it patently isn't about that, rather its about the lack of opportunity for the COMMUNITY to discuss the direction they'd like the comic to go in, as opposed to throwing in a several potentially non related stories and seeing how it works out. That's not a community offering - or at least not one as I see it or am interested in partaking in.

We can discuss the direction as much as you like, all I'm trying to do is get the ball rolling here. Now obviously I took the wrong approach judging by BF's spit dummy, but I'm not going to be made to feel bad for coming up with ideas and being proactive while the Transfest Admin forum almost gets round to deciding something in a couple of months' time. Again, complete the following sentence in as many words as you like:

Transfest 2006 was a roaring success because...

Post by **snarl** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:16 pm

kool, I'd just like you to help clarify for me if prior to today there was general board awareness regarding developing a transfest comic - did you put your idea about, did you ask anybody about getting involved / how we were going to do this etc?

I dont always pay a great deal of attention to the board.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:26 pm

I've mentioned several times that I've been working on something for the comic - usually at Predabot's urging to get something done so that he can colour it, and I've been chatting off-board to some members who have approached me with ideas, or, in one case, when I've chased him down to draw a comic parody of the TF universe.

Nothing particularly sinister there.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:32 pm

My initial reaction was pretty much "Oh. Aren't we planning it as a community, then? Ah well, at least somebody's taking the initiative in getting something done on the score."

TRANSFANS CIVIL WAR
Whose side are you on?

Yes, making light of the situation helps an enormous amount, actually.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:39 pm

Ok, well it seems everyone has made thier feelings known, if im to be honest, I was a lil bit upset that someone else was going to do the cover without chatting about it first but oh well.

Ok, without us all getting to worked up, and for the greater good of transfans and transfest as a whole can i recommend we put our differences aside and move over to the transfest forum where, if we are all in favour we begin some protracted talks over this issues content.

I personaly have about 4 weeks I can put some solid work into to get this issue off the ground in someway and I hope everyone can contribute how they see fit, there are a number of topics we all need to talk about and cover before we can move forward but it seems everyone is very passionate about the subject, so i expect we can all make good progress on the issue.

lets all be friends eh.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:05 pm

Okay, see you all over there.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:14 pm

as said some time ago, fine by me.

Post by **snarl** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:06 pm

admin or open forum?

Post by **Best First** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:47 pm

Admin.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:18 pm

Admin, as in the forum that is not public?

Darn.

Anyway, I'd just like to poke my head in and say that I really like MV as the editor, since he not only did a real good job last year, but also since he's shown some awesome initiative.

Well, better than Iron Man atleast...

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:18 pm

Brendocon wrote:
TRANSFANS CIVIL WAR
Whose side are you on?

Yes, making light of the situation helps an enormous amount, actually.

Besty will calm down once he's accidentally smashed a building. By that time it will be too late for me, having revealed my secret identity and also the fact that I broke my diet with brownies and pleasured a Miss Piggy puppet in high school.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:14 pm

Discussion on the comic's direction is now going on in the Transfest Admin Forum. For anyone else wanting to continue discussion, you can use the open forum over there.

Locking this thread now. Let's hope we can make something tip top.