Pirates 2! [eventu. discuss, curr. happy squeeing]

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:51 pm

Yaya wrote:Don't know what's wrong with me.

I have a list chere, but i left it in my other pants.

I am annoyed that i missed some end of credits gubbins. bah.

its not hard to follow though - unless you are stupid, in which case be glad you figured out how to buy a ticket in the first place, its just a bit disjointed and unfocused IMO. But still fun.

and, certainly when i saw it, some of the dialogue was hard to make oput - didnt stop me getting what was going on, just irritating.

At the end Chewie and Lando might as well have walked down the stairs though...

Good luck.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:09 am

Best First wrote: At the end Chewie and Lando might as well have walked down the stairs though...

At least that would have brought a smile to my face.

I mean, I certainly wouldn't have said "WTF?" because I had already used them all up by that point.

Another thing is I remember liking the first movie, but don't recall off hand the details of it, which likely would have helped seeing this one.

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and, certainly when i saw it, some of the dialogue was hard to make out

Definitely hard to make out. As if pirate talk wasn't enough to throw me, enter some crazed out gypsy witch with a Jamaican accent.

Couldn't follow this story. Questions I have are:

Why was everyone after Davy Jones heart? It was never explained and yet was the major plot point. I mean, it might be cool to have a beating heart, but beyond that....

If the Kraken wanted Sparrow, why didn't he just take him down in that little boat he was rowing away in?

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:59 am

Best First wrote: I am annoyed that i missed some end of credits gubbins. bah.

Same. Though really, after thinking about it it'll probably be on the DVD and I wouldn't have wasted 10 minutes sitting in an empty theatre just to see a five-or-so minute skit after.

I'm still curious as to what it was, though.

Best First wrote:its not hard to follow though - unless you are stupid, in which case be glad you figured out how to buy a ticket in the first place

Best First wrote:At the end Chewie and Lando might as well have walked down the stairs though...

I kinda knew who it was going to be. Process of elimination when she said "Someone who knows those wataaiiirs..." or whatever. Why else the mini build-up? Plus the monkey bit in the first crazy witch lady scene.

Yaya wrote: Why was everyone after Davy Jones heart? It was never explained and yet was the major plot point. I mean, it might be cool to have a beating heart, but beyond that....

Was explained. Let's see how well I remember the film...

Davy Jones locked his heart away because he couldn't handle having lost the woman he loved, iirc. Cap Jack wanted it for use as a bargaining chip to keep himself out of 100 years' worth of servitude aboard the Flying Dutchman, Will needed it to free both Elizabeth and himself from being hanged for helping Jack in the first movie, Norrington wanted to trade it to the East India Trading Co for the chance to live a life similar to the one he'd given up and the East India Trading Co wanted it so they could control Davy Jones and therefore the oceans.

Yaya wrote:If the Kraken wanted Sparrow, why didn't he just take him down in that little boat he was rowing away in?

I was wondering the same thing as I watched the film actually. I just assumed it was so wrapped up in what it was doing at the time/busy getting holes blown into it that it didn't "see" him row out.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:22 am

Why do they even put the scenes at the end of the credits? So that people marvel at the names of the people who made the movie? Besides, I talked to some X-Men fans who were told before going to the cinema about the added scene and they still couldn't see it cause the movie was switched off right after the credits started.

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:03 am

Ozz wrote:Why do they even put the scenes at the end of the credits? So that people marvel at the names of the people who made the movie? Besides, I talked to some X-Men fans who were told before going to the cinema about the added scene and they still couldn't see it cause the movie was switched off right after the credits started.

I figure it's just to annoy the hell out of... well, everyone...

They'd better put that ending bit on the DVD... the abovementioned monkey bit sounds familiar actually. I'll bet that it's on the first DVD somewhere and that I'd watched it before but just clean forgot.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:30 am

saysadie wrote: Cap Jack wanted it for use as a bargaining chip to keep himself out of 100 years' worth of servitude aboard the Flying Dutchman

Davy Jones helped Cap Jack get the Black Pearl out of the sea - that's why Jack has to serve on the Flying Dylan. Right?

I enjoyed the movie - but was somewhat disappointed.
IMO they re-used to many jokes from the first movie. A couple of times I thought "They used the exact same joke in the first movie!"
I did love when they... uhm, I don't know how to describe it

But like when Elizabeth is about to board the Pearl, and Jack says "Hide the rum".
. A reference to the first movie.

I thought Elizabeth was annoying (or the way she was directed).
In this movie Elizabeth had learned how to handle a sword (two swords even), she seemed a little bit more confident, she was a little bit more manipulative, and I got the impression that she also had learned how to handle a gun.
She had evolved into a "Strong female character" (or a Stronger female character).
And I think she was portrayed as a strong female character really well: she thought against Davy Jones crew on the same conditions as the male characters: without having to drop cheesy one-liners ("Suck my dick", G.I Jane

), and there was no crap like "Oh noes, I broke a nail!".
She fought, swashbuckled and jumped around without the director having to shove it in our face that "LOOK we have a STRONG FEMALE character. AREN'T WE GREAT?" like in some other movies.

But, sometimes she was morphed into this helpless little girl.
I especially disliked the way she screamed. Who the hell screams like that when they are older than six?
And I understand that she wanted to stop the fight between Jack, Will and Norrington - but I didn't like they way she tried to do it.

And yes, in the first movie she was a rich, over-protected girl. So in a way I can understand this "Girlish" behaviour. But I thought it was too girlish at times.

I would've rather seen more of the "strong, awesome Elizabeth".

Post by **Best First** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:34 am

strong, naked Elizabeth?

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:36 am

Like Xena - The warrior princess?

God no!

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:57 am

Obfleur wrote:
saysadie wrote: Cap Jack wanted it for use as a bargaining chip to keep himself out of 100 years' worth of servitude aboard the Flying Dutchman
Davy Jones helped Cap Jack get the Black Pearl out of the sea - that's why Jack has to serve on the Flying Dylan. Right?

I think so, yeah.

Obfleur wrote:I enjoyed the movie - but was somewhat disappointed.
IMO they re-used to many jokes from the first movie. A couple of times I thought "They used the exact same joke in the first movie!"

It would have been nice to see a bit less reference to some old jokes, yeah? It was funny the first time, it got a couple of snickers out of a few people in the audience the second time but all in all, they did work a lot better as one-offs.

I did love when they... uhm, I don't know how to describe it But like when Elizabeth is about to board the Pearl, and Jack says "Hide the rum".
. A reference to the first movie.

That was a good one! Too bad they included it in the bloody TV advertisement that I just happened to be watching the night before setting out to see the film. Bah.

Obfleur wrote:I thought Elizabeth was annoying (or the way she was directed).
In this movie Elizabeth had learned how to handle a sword (two swords even), she seemed a little bit more confident, she was a little bit more manipulative, and I got the impression that she also had learned how to handle a gun.
She had evolved into a "Strong female character [...] But, sometimes she was morphed into this helpless little girl.

The fencesitter in me is both agreeing and disagreeing. The nature of people is fluid, no one can be just one thing constantly... I think this is actually a better portrayal, in some ways. It showed a bit of growth imo. She can be strong, and is a strong individual one moment but shows a bit of silly girlishness the next. I though it made the character more interesting.

I would've rather seen more of the "strong, awesome Elizabeth".

Hopefully there'll be more of it in the next movie? I dunno...

Y'know what, I found Depp's performance a tad lacking in this movie. Still excellent, but... there was something not so "Cap Jack" about Cap Jack somehow. Was it just my imagination, or did anyone else catch it too?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:49 am

Why aren't you guys discussing my new movie? I have returned, you know.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:04 am

Superman wrote:Why aren't you guys discussing my new movie? I have returned, you know.

Yes, but have you Begun?

saysadie wrote:Y'know what, I found Depp's performance a tad lacking in this movie. Still excellent, but... there was something not so "Cap Jack" about Cap Jack somehow. Was it just my imagination, or did anyone else catch it too?

I agree.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:06 am

Obfleur wrote:
saysadie wrote:Y'know what, I found Depp's performance a tad lacking in this movie. Still excellent, but... there was something not so "Cap Jack" about Cap Jack somehow. Was it just my imagination, or did anyone else catch it too?
I agree.

As do I.

But I'm not sure its his fault in the acting as it is in the director directing. He was kinda relegated to the status of clumsy circus clown in this movie as opposed to the shrewd, cunning, yet aloof character in the first.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:00 am

LOOOOVED IT!

Even if it's just the half of the movie. Doesn't matter, awesome throughout.

saysadie wrote:
Yaya wrote: Why was everyone after Davy Jones heart? It was never explained and yet was the major plot point. I mean, it might be cool to have a beating heart, but beyond that....
Was explained.

Throught out the film and once again, for those who somehow managed to missed it, in the exposition right before they start three-way sword fight on the beach. Hard to miss. Unless you fall asleep or sumthin'... I swear, I have no idea how this film could be "hard to follow". I found myself more confused during the first few watchings of the first film, cause I couldn't understand why they needed Turner's blood to lift the curse...

Re: Jack and his somewhat different portrayal. Didn't notice anything like that. He was a manipulator and driving force of the action in the first film, and he is one in the second. He's just he got less screen time, while Will and Lizzie got more, which seems understandable as they will be (from what it seems) main characters in the third installment. Jack's also seems more evil and ruthless then he was before, but then again he was chasing after his ship then, and now the stakes went higher, so he's less heroic.

And the hidden scene, for those who want to know:

After the credits there is a brief sequence showing the cannibals have now adopted the stowaway key-taunting dog from the first movie as their new chief.

Cut from Wiki. I didn't wait for it myself.

Eline · Post by **Eline** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:26 am

I didn't like it as much as I hoped I would.

It was all a bit.... simple. Jack Sparrow wasn't so cool anymore, but a bit of a sad character. It was all just a bit too Disney for me. And Orlando Bloom wasn't naked

I liked that Elizabeth was actually able to swordfight, and the Kraken was cool, and I really enjoyed some parts, but the whole left me a bit disappointed.

Though thanks to the dutch way of subtitling foreign movies, I had no trouble at all understanding the dialogues.

The thingy after the end credits was cute, but only 30 seconds.

Dylan · Post by **Dylan** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:35 pm

Ha, I'm stupid, I shouldn't have read through all these spoilers I guess. I hope to see it sometime this week, maybe on me birthday tomorrow, arrr...

Anyway, now I know with what kind of expectancy level I should go see it! Cheers mates!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:52 pm

I just watched this last night - Thought the special effects were good, except the horrid green screen of Jack in front of the Kraken at the end...erm... well one seen when its behind him ok im being picky.

The effects of the Daveys crew was amazing - all the detail and such was breathtaking.

Didnt feel the whole film flowed aswell as the first film and I also thought that where Depp made Jack cool in the first film with all his lil nuances, in the 2nd film it felt a bit forced.

The visit to the Island with the canibals whilst fun seemed pointless to me.

Looking forward to No.3