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sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:25 pm

For the -2 people not tired of hearing about One More Day, I think is the most original take on possible editorial motivations:

http://spideykicksbutt.com/DeepThoughts/OneMoreDay.html

Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:36 pm

Wasn't the whole "constant reboots don't work" thing the rationale for the Ultimate imprint? As a way of relating to new readers?

Or, and here's what I think is a valid question... if Joe Q is concerned about attracting a younger demographic that can't relate to the existing characters...

... why not come up with new ones?

I mean, when a tv station can't attract new viewers to a show, rather than reboot the show or whatever... they just commission a new program. Don't they? Struggling to attract new viewers, they just hope one of the season's slew of brand new programs will take.

Seriously, what was Marvel's last brand new title featuring entirely brand new characters? Runaways? Alias?

I admit I'm not incredibly au fait with Marvel's titles, I see the shelves at Forbidden Planet and can't look past the thousand crossover issues, so I'm genuinely asking. Alias probably doesn't count, does it? The supporting cast already existed.

Eh?

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:08 pm

Hound wrote:Im so glad New X-Men survives, albiet with a relaunch. I hope Anole features heavily as I loooooove him.

Possible cover to first issue, may not be real

Halfshell wrote:Seriously, what was Marvel's last brand new title featuring entirely brand new characters?

Criminal, if that counts. Or The Order, though it has Pepper Potts as a team coordinator (and Tony is in half of issues, but in what titles he isn't nowadays).

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:18 pm

sprunkner wrote:For the -2 people not tired of hearing about One More Day, I think is the most original take on possible editorial motivations:

http://spideykicksbutt.com/DeepThoughts/OneMoreDay.html

I feel awful having read that whole thing at work. Also loved your review Sprunk.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:28 pm

Ozz wrote:
Hound wrote:Im so glad New X-Men survives, albiet with a relaunch. I hope Anole features heavily as I loooooove him.
Possible cover to first issue, may not be real

ugh - i dearly hope Dodosn isn't on it, i can't stand his art.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:47 pm

sprunkner wrote:For the -2 people not tired of hearing about One More Day, I think is the most original take on possible editorial motivations:

http://spideykicksbutt.com/DeepThoughts/OneMoreDay.html

ha! I love that site. He just started updating regularly again, too. Even though I *groan* think it's kind of pointless now, "Why did it have to be you, Mary Jane?" really gives a strong case for why MJ made sense with Peter, as well as a detailed breakdown of his dating life prior to. Also, Peter Parker is a fictional character.

Here's a link:http://www.funnybookbabylon.com/2008/01 ... man-prime/

It's a blog with an interview with Grant M. from 2002 where he talks a lot about his plans for the DCU, and gives big insights into Final Crisis, and the sense behind all the crap that's happened over there since Countdown to Infinite Crisis.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:58 pm

Best First wrote:
Ozz wrote:
Hound wrote:Im so glad New X-Men survives, albiet with a relaunch. I hope Anole features heavily as I loooooove him.
Possible cover to first issue, may not be real
ugh - i dearly hope Dodosn isn't on it, i can't stand his art.

Ugh that is so bland. Looks like some of the crap we were given towards the end of Gen X.

New X-Men deserves better than that. The team line up is rubbish for a start! Where are Anole, Pixie, Surge, Elixir, Hellion, Mercury and Prodigy?? Rubbish.

They had better not mess up my favourite xbook

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:05 pm

Hound wrote:
Best First wrote:
Ozz wrote: Possible cover to first issue, may not be real
ugh - i dearly hope Dodosn isn't on it, i can't stand his art.
Ugh that is so bland. Looks like some of the crap we were given towards the end of Gen X.

New X-Men deserves better than that. The team line up is rubbish for a start! Where are Anole, Pixie, Surge, Elixir, Hellion, Mercury and Prodigy?? Rubbish.

They had better not mess up my favourite xbook

Yeah, it was Dodson toward the end of Gen X as well - an X-youth book that did a great job of creating some brilliant new characters with a quality creative team but then dwindled away to nothing...

...lets hope that doesn't happen again.

Loeb writing as well. hmm.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:20 am

Another rumour has it that it will be Marc Guggenheim and Yannick Paquette on Young X-Men. Well, today around 5-6 p.m. we should know for sure.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:39 am

is Paquette the guy on Ultimate x-men?

not a fan of him either...

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:56 am

Best First wrote:is Paquette the guy on Ultimate x-men?

Luckily, not anymore.

His art was hit and miss with me, tbh. For example, his last issue (88 ) seemed rushed and looked crap in places.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:52 pm

so chapter 12 of Messiah Complex - Holy ****!

And it looks like Paquette is on Young X-Men

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:54 am

12? Don't you mean 13? You know, the end where.....
Wolverine rips Predator X to shreads from the inside, Bishop and Prof X die, and Cable escapes to the future with the baby after getting mushy with his Dad Cyclops?? Cause that was pretty sweet.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:32 am

Shanti418 wrote:Bishop and Prof X die

Spoiler: Neither is dead, according to solicitations of future issues.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:17 pm

Huh. Well, THAT'S lame. I mean yes, one of those said characters dies all the time, but still.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:11 pm

Spoiler: Nothing but lame, as far as I'm concerned. Bishop was just blasted by Cyke. Besides, his future role should be quite interesting. As for Xavier, take another look at the last panel before that entire black page. Notice anything missing?

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:22 pm

Yeah, I saw that. Honestly, when I noticed that first reading it, I just brushed it off as massive art error. But clearly that was a naive opinion.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:40 pm

"Standing around talking feels an awful lot like standing around talking. When does Pete get to throw me at something?"

I <3 Astonishing.

NEED GIANT SIZE NOW PLEASE THANKYOU.

Have they decided who's taking over on Ultimate X-Men yet? I've never knowingly read anything else by Kirkman, and to be honest it's not giving me any incentive to try and change that.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:27 am

Brendocon wrote:Have they decided who's taking over on Ultimate X-Men yet?

Yeah, http://comics.ign.com/articles/845/845178p1.html But only because Loeb's Ultimatum (which was supposed to go right after Kirkman's run) was moved a bit further into future.

Brendocon wrote:I've never knowingly read anything else by Kirkman, and to be honest it's not giving me any incentive to try and change that.

You could try Invincible. I heard a lot of good things about Walking Dead, too.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:46 am

the ending of MC really hit a bum note for me, some parts were neato but a lot of if just didn't really work:

Things i liked:

- the art
- Cyclops and Cable's chat
- Wolverine being ****ing ace
- Rockslide just for existing

Things me not so like:

- the "death" felt pointless and tacked on
- Rogue having yet another person trapped in her noggin and being angsty about it (yawn)
- Cyclops speech at the end was CRAP - especially as the whole early thrust of teh story was "they are my X-men now, time to move on Chuck" and suddenly its time to disband the X-men again.

Things i am not sure about
- How Bishop was handled. But yes, interesting to see how he will be handled from now on.

In other news Ultimates 2 was utter SH*T.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:04 am

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/ ... i?id=12835

Quesada is answering fan questions about One More Day and proving, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he's either completely oblivious to how terrible the story was, or that he will continue to shill this crap regardless of how bad it is.

I honestly think he doesn't get it. He acts like fans are pissed because of Peter and MJ no longer being a couple. That's not it at all. People are upset that story that caused that event to happen was the worst Spider-Man story ever told and, on top of that, makes no sense.

The Spider-Man universe doesn't make any sense the way it is now.

Nobody knows that Peter is Spider-Man. That goes against the "Peter and MJ were a couple, but not a married couple" thing. How on earth did Peter hide his being Spider-Man from MJ? Surely, when they started living in Avengers Tower she started to figure something out. If that never happened (Aunt May's house is back), then maybe she would have suspected something when Peter would mysteriously disappear every night. Did those conversations with Venom and The Black Cat not sink in? For that matter, how did the Spidey/Venom thing ever happen?

That's poor storytelling. That's not "read it again knowing what you now know," type stuff. This is 30 years of broken continuity.

Even that's kind of a fanboy-ish complaint. You CAN get past that if you accept that "a wizard did it" and move on, never thinking too much about what came before. Kind of like you can watch a Simpsons episode and not worry too much about how everything that's happened over the past 370-some episodes must have happened in the same year (as Bart and Lisa have never advanced in grades and Maggie has never aged).

But you've also got Spider-Man and Mary Jane agreeing to a deal with the devil. That is not the act of a heroic or even likable character. Look at the deal. I mean REALLY look at it. First, accept that both The Devil and (by proxy) God exist. The Devil has told Spider-Man that this action will give The Devil a victory over GOD. This allows Aunt May to live another few years and, contrary to what Joe Quesada says, makes Peter and MJ give up on their love. Tony Stark didn't even pull dick moves like that. If the intent of the story was to turn Peter Parker into a character that readers feel disgust for, then bravo. If the idea was to get readers to accept a younger and care-free Peter that is unaware of the horrible moral choices he made, then what a miserable failure it is.

Harry is alive again. This makes less than no sense. Especially since "nothing changed" in continuity. If Spidey hadn't been married, Harry WOULD have killed him in Spectacular Spider-Man 200. This is not open for debate. It's an obvious fact. Harry had Pete dead to rights and MJ talked him out of it.

Urgh. I think I understand how Muslims feel when people blaspheme the Koran.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:36 am

That's what I said!

re:

http://www.intergalacticmedicineshow.co ... rticle=006

Anyway, I've now read the first three parts of BND and I was worried. It started off pretty good. Dan Slott did a mean She-Hulk and Steve McNiven is a drawing god.

I'm worried no longer.

By the end of this arc, it was clear that this was just recycled, boring, Spider-Trash left over from the 80s. What's more, they threw in a gratuitously PC scene where Spidey wishes "Wa Alaykum As-Salaam" to the cabdriver for no reason--just to show that he's hip like that. I wouldn't mind it if it were in character. But it's forced.

There's nothing new here. A mob boss named Mr. Negative possibly stalking Aunt May.

Civil War and OMD had the chance to really push the Spidey stories forward, into places they had never been. The ID-reveal made for some messy stories, not like the perfectly planned ID-reveal in Daredevil, but they were Spidey stories we had never seen before.

I am so done with this Spider-Man. I've seen it all before.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:42 am

Jeez - he just trots out the same tired lines doesn't he?

we haven't chnaged anything other than the marriage - YES YOU HAVE!
its pok for peter to make a deal with the devil as long as he doesn't summon the devil personally and this is a valid distinction - NO IT ISN'T & NO IT ISN'T!

Spidey is tainted. I hate it.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:10 am

Professor Smooth wrote:Kind of like you can watch a Simpsons episode and not worry too much about how everything that's happened over the past 370-some episodes must have happened in the same year (as Bart and Lisa have never advanced in grades and Maggie has never aged).

How many Christmases have they had, though?

Has Joe Quesada ever actually written anything? Of worth? Because this whole fiasco betrays a complete lack of comprehension regarding what constitutes, y'know, a coherent story.

Is it a good idea to have an artist as chief editor?

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:52 pm

Actually, I thought Daredevil: Father was a good read.

I think he's blindsided by this personal vendetta to get rid of the marriage. He's been pushing it ever since he became EIC. He always felt like 1) there were too many mutants, 2) the Marvel U heroes were too nice to each other and 3) Spidey should never have been married.

I think the fact that the response to House of M and Civil War's effects was mostly positive has given him confidence in this idea that he can go ahead with OMD.

But it will SO be retconned a few years down the road, just like Civil War and the Other. You watch.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:35 am

So today we got the final issue of Y-The Last Man (awesome), the debut of the new Captain America (pretty damn good), and the What if Spider-Man vs Wolverine book (which ends with a letter seemingly written by Joe Quesada). Good week for comics all around.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:50 pm

I dropped Spidey after OMD. I miss it. Even with New Avengers and old USM trades. When I went to my LCS yesterday, I opened up one of the BND issues on the rack for the first time. But when I opened it, I saw the same stuff you guys are talking about: retro "gee-whillikers, that ol' Parker luck! Gots to pay the pills and sell some photos, lady problems 'cause I'm a bumbler" stuff. Listen, I LOVE that era of Spidey, but you just can't go backwards. The tone, the problems, the personality of Spidey all say that this is NOT just one thread altered, and that this is effectively Byrne's Man of Steel.

I feel for all intensive purposes the Spidey I was reading is gone, just like I did when they started painting him into a corner to pave the way for Ben Reilly. It just sucks. And Dan Slott sounds like such a cool Spidey guy in the SpiderMan Crawlspace Podcast.

This week, the three comic books I got involved lots of people getting shot and killed. The Initiative, NA Annual, and Captain America. Brubaker is the uberman. I haven't been as shocked by a last page of a comic since, oh....Cap 25.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:19 pm

I know! End of Cap i was like oh, he's not gonn...****! he has!

Aces.

End of Y TLM was pretty powerful stuff.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:56 am

Quesada strikes again:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/sh ... p?t=206513

What is going on over at Marvel? A few years ago everything was so consistently good!

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:24 am

I never bought The Order, but according to the context of your post, apparently you liked it. A lot of people are pissed off about this, even if it does make sense in the context of its sales.

I didn't go to my LCS today, thinking I had nothing to pick up, and then I saw Yaya's Devestation #5 thread. D'oh!

Our of curiosity.......

Where do other people 'round these parts go for their comic book info? I'd like to try out some new places on the Net. Here are mind:

Reviews: IGN (even though they're tards), everydayislikewednesday.blogspot.com

Features/News: Newsarama, CBR

Commentary: CBR, the aforementioned EDILW, comics101.com, and of course sprunkner's column.

Fansites: Spidey Kicks Butt, spiderfan.org