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Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:53 am

My understanding of the end was:

Rick Jones is still alive, but badly injured.

On the scarred surface of Planet Sakar, Hulk's son Scaar is rising to the surface. His mom Caiera the OldStrong used her deep link with the planet itself to save him as everything else was killed. Now after incubating in the stuff of a dead world, he's alive, and him and Hulkling are gonna go at it like Robin and Damien Wayne. Or not.

Hulk/Banner is buried in a bunker deep in New Mexico in a catatonic state due to the combined trauma of Iron Man's Extremis induced Satellite Laser Kinda Things blats, and the egg all over his face after his buddy Miek played him for a fool.

BTW, I had no problem with this even though it was telegraphed, because the point is not that we don't know, but that Hulk didn't know. Therefore Miek's "betrayel" is a working plot device. In the 21 Cenutry Net World, we've all seen that coming for miles, and Greg Pak has had to avoid or disavow knowledge of that point during all the press junkets, but if all you had was Planet Hulk and WWH, I think the handeling of it would come off as nicely done.

So Hulk will come back, and he'll be RED. With anger? Rage? Embaressement? A really bad sun burn from all the satellite lasers? Who knows. And with Jeph Loeb writing, I'm almost tempted to say who cares.

But I REALLY don't care about Incredible Herc.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:16 am

aw, i think due to his wacky space adventures that appeared as a back up in the UK comic in the 80s (The 80s!) i will always be quite fond of Herc.

even if he is ultimately just a sh*t Thor.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:49 am

I thought Ares was a **** Thor. Or was he Thor-lite?

Incredible Herc is the only thing of all WWH spin-offs I wait for, though I'm prepared for disappointment. Son of Hulk? No. Just no.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:07 pm

i'm a bit torn on Son of Hulk

one the one hand i largely like how Pak has handled the Hulk so i have some optimism on that front.

but on the other hand i just don't really see any yawning need for him. I mean either he's a good guy, in which case he is presumably Diet Hulk, so, meh, or he turns bad, in which case i suspect he is still Diet Hulk and gets smashed.

we shall see i guess.

To be honest what i would be more interested in would be to see this incarnation of Hulk slap the balls off the entire DC universe. Yay.

edit, good follow up stuff here:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=136412

although the explanation for what happens when Hulk gets zapped is a bit rubbish.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:40 pm

Diet Hulk... with magic.

I think it's a bit lame to have these follow-up interviews where the creators explain everything... I mean, did you need a follow-up to Watchmen?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:18 pm

Best First wrote:aw, i think due to his wacky space adventures that appeared as a back up in the UK comic in the 80s (The 80s!) i will always be quite fond of Herc.

I've got a TPB of those wacky space adventures, plus it contains another load of similarly wacky space adventures that weren't shown in the UK comic, due to Spitfire and the New Universe muscling their way in for all of a couple of months...

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:49 pm

I just wanted to post this

Nuff said...

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:42 pm

DROOL.

Really shouldn't have looked at the accompanying solicits for that. I am now all spoilerised and hyped for the next few arcs worth of Ultimate stuff.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:31 pm

i am so off to spoilerise my self right now.

Cyclops for Captain America...

edit:

argh! If they kill Kitty i will be most upset.

The only thing wrong with the above image? No Cage...

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:19 pm

Is that a spoiler for Ellis's run?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:22 pm

My money is on Kitty dying, tbh. We know one of 'em ain't making it back. She's feeling a bit ill, and it would be very Joss to bring back Peter only to kill Kitty.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:10 am

I think Lockheed is the one that won't come back. Not that he'll die (Blindfold said that not all of them will come back - doesn't mean that someone will die, also doesn't mean that only one will not return); he'll return to his home planet as it was said that there's some trouble over there and it's so important to him that he even betrayed her best friend to get S.W.O.R.D.'s help.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:09 am

i hope you are correct Sir.

Its more one of the post messiah covers that makes me worry about Kitty to be honest.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:09 am

i hope you are correct Sir.

Its more one of the post messiah covers that makes me worry about Kitty to be honest.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:18 am

Well, she could still die during MC.

And of course, it's not obvious yet where they want to fit Astonishing in the continuity (I like to think it happens right after House of M, like it was originally supposed to, until proven otherwise).

But, Warren Ellis coming back to X-titles and NOT writing Kitty? That cannot happen.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:26 pm

After the Fall #1 is out.

I actually thought that was really good. Not keen on the art style, though. It's trying to be a bit too photo-realisticish (if that makes sense) and losing a lot of the character.

Though the script more than compensates for that.

Nice [and, in a way, obvious] twistage to excuse the use of certain characters, too.

Bring on #2.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:37 pm

On WWH ending:

Well, I liked the slugfest ending. It was brainless, like such clashes of old, but I enjoyed the battle.

I didn't like that ray shot from space. It was so "insert plot device here".

As far as Miek's betrayal, you could see that coming, but as Shanti says, it was more how Hulk was going to respond to it that was the unknown. How did he respond? By smashing things.....so maybe it wasn't so much a mystery after all, was it?

I think I'll be sticking with the title. If it starts to turn stale, I'll drop it. But for now, I'm still in.

Really enjoying the Annihilation:Conquest material. The first issue wasn't earthshattering, but nice to get a glimpse of who the major players are going to be in this series.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:27 am

Ozz wrote:And of course, it's not obvious yet where they want to fit Astonishing in the continuity (I like to think it happens right after House of M, like it was originally supposed to, until proven otherwise).

If the cover to Giant Size 1 has any bearing on the cast within, the classic F4 line-up means it's at least pre Civil War, right?

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:24 am

Reed and Sue returned to FF while Panther and Storm left last month.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:01 pm

Ah. Well, that's hardly surprising. It's not like any change in the Marvel Universe is actually permanent.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:11 pm

How are Loeb and McGuinness doing Ultimates 3 and Redible Edible Hulk at the same time?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:34 pm

Because Loeb puts about as much effort into his scripts as I do into cleaning my toenails?

Post by **Best First** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:35 pm

The aren't - Joie mad is doing Ultimates.

I claim your comics column as my prize.

Bredn - agree about Angel - the srt seems to... be a bit soft round the edges for my liking - soem scenes almots, i hate to say it, look a bit lazy - the crowd scene that greets the fleeing humans at ******s place for example.

Good stuff at the mo:
- Messiah Complex is superb, all issues on time, all plot threads progressing nicely (rather than each book focussing more on its own core cast too much)

Ultimate spidey is STILL ace.

Bad stuff at the mo:

One More Deary Me - Peter acts like a total f'wit for the opening part of the issue.

and its so predictable

and so unneccessary.

boo.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:52 am

Agreed: That last Spidey OMD ish was horribly, offensively bad, and the plot is so lazy and forced that I have no other option but to believe JMS has been replaced by a Skrull for the last 12 months. (Except for Silver Surfer Requiem: That's ace.)

OMD decompression is as bad as Back in Black decompression.

The protagonist of OMD is as out of Spidey's comfort zone as Judas Traveller is.

MJ and Peter's characterization in the ending scenes is pukeworthy.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:17 am

sprunkner wrote:How are Loeb and McGuinness doing Ultimates 3 and Redible Edible Hulk at the same time?

Loeb and McGuinness are supposed to be doing Ultimates 4. It will probably be out near the next year's end as it is supposed to be set after Ultimatum stuff. I heard McGuinness done at least one issue already.

And I think McGuinness (and possibly Loeb, too) is doing only first six issues of Hulk.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:14 am

I'm going to TPB it on Ultimates 3.

Avengers Initiative Anuual and WWH Aftersmash were better than expected. Not by much, though. Actually, AI:A was better than WWHA.

Messiah Complex is the baddest s*** going. Ridiculously good and fun, and I'm not even that big of a X guy. It's the action and scope of AoA with the high production and artistic values of today.

CHECK THISOUT:

It's JMS trashing OMD!

For whatever it's worth, the situation is not as clear cut as one
might hope. The reality of any writer workingfor any company, DC or
Marvel or Image, is that when you're handed a franchise character,
you're basically entrusted with something that the company owns, and
the company has final say in what happens to that character, because
as a writer, you're only there for a certain amount of time and then
the next guy has to come in. Spider-Man belongs to Marvel, not to me,
and at the end of the day, however much I may disagree with things,
and however much I may make it very CLEAR to all parties that I
disagree, I have to honor their position.

In the Gwen storyline, yes, I wanted it to be Peter's kids, Joe over-
rode that, which is his right as EIC. I got the flack for that
decision, but them's the breaks.

In the current storyline, there's a lot that I don't agree with, and I
made this very clear to everybody within shouting distance at Marvel,
especially Joe. I'll be honest: there was a point where I made the
decision, and told Joe, that I was going to take my name off the last
two issues of the OMD arc. Eventually Joe talked me out of that
decision because at the end of the day, I don't want to sabotage Joe
or Marvel, and I have a lot of respect for both of those. As an
executive producer as well as a writer, I've sometimes had to insist
that my writers make changes that they did not want to make, often
loudly so. They were sure I was wrong. Mostly I was right.
Sometimes I was wrong. But whoever sits in the editor's chair, or the
executive producer's chair, wears the pointy hat of authority, and as
Dave Sim once noted, you can't argue with a pointy hat.

So at the end of the day, all one can do is try to do the best one can
with the notes one is given, and try to execute them in a professional
way...because who knows, the other guy may be right. The only thing I
*can* tell you, with absolute certainty, is that what Joe does with
Spidey and all the rest of the Marvel characters, he does out of a
genuine love of the character. He's not looking to sabotage anything,
he's not looking to piss off the fans, he genuinely believes in the
rightness of his views not out of a sense of "I'm the boss" but
because he loves these characters and the Marvel universe.

And right or wrong, you have to respect that.

jms

Well, for those of you who held out some hope that this was a Joe Quesada Speedball Fakeout and Mephisto Prime won't punch the wall of Spidey continuity, game over.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:15 am

double post, sorry.

Post by **Best First** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:36 pm

Yesh, MC is great, and still on schedule - loving it.

WWH aftersmsh had some nice moments - notably Ben Grimm's contribution.

Buffy was great.

Ultimate X-Men - still meh.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:24 pm

New column, full of cheese:

http://www.intergalacticmedicineshow.co ... rticle=005

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:07 pm

Shanti418 wrote:I'm going to TPB it on Ultimates 3.

Maybe you should see the first issue and decide whether you want to spend more money on it later? To say that the majority of internet reaction isn't positive is quite an understatement. Of course, I don't really agree, but...