This really annoys me.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:49 am

Bouncelot wrote:It's the most extensive system of institutionalised discrimination in history. There are castes who are forced to clean up other castes excrement. The "untouchable" castes are effectively considered less than human by higher castes. Do you really think that the system is good?

Depends how highly the American Christian right values the life of, say, an Iraqi. From what I've seen they are effectively considered target practice. Evil is where you find it.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:50 am

Metal Vendetta wrote:
Bouncelot wrote:It's the most extensive system of institutionalised discrimination in history. There are castes who are forced to clean up other castes excrement. The "untouchable" castes are effectively considered less than human by higher castes. Do you really think that the system is good?
Depends how highly the American Christian right values the life of, say, an Iraqi. From what I've seen they are effectively considered target practice. Evil is where you find it.

True. I'm as opposed to the way the American military machine works in Iraq as I am to the Indian caste system. Both are blatantly wrong. If there's something that can be done to change either to something better, then I'm all for it.

Professor Smooth wrote:Let me see if I've got your argument correctly. If there is a government or social order that you believe works better than another one, the first system is considered "evil?"

That about the size of it, then?

I don't think that's what BB is saying, and it's not what I'm saying. My point about the caste system is that it is a social order that is incredibly nasty to the extent that I'm willing to use a word like evil to describe it. That doesn't mean that I rank every social system I disagree with as evil, just the ones that I believe are sufficiently nasty to merit the term.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:52 pm

Bouncelot seems to have a point here. It sounds reasonable enough. And we all know how that caste-system in India got started, right? War, conquest, and slavery.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:39 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:
BB Shockwave wrote:
Professor Smooth wrote: And with that one little work, your argument becomes worthless. Evil? Please.
Maybe "unjust" is a better word. But ever imagined what living as a phariah might be like? You think it's a good system? I'd be the first to criticise democracy's flaws, but please, even dictatures are better then the caste system. Only way out of it is that maybe you get lucky and be reborn into a higher cast... Yeah, right.
Let me see if I've got your argument correctly. If there is a government or social order that you believe works better than another one, the first system is considered "evil?"

That about the size of it, then?

Oh dear. Like, try to read what others write, will you?

I merely posted to note that Bouncy didn't mean 'evil' in the sense of the word you're thinking. Where did I say any system was evil?