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Don't know how true it is, but they say that the static charge you can generate from wearing sythetic clothes is more of a danger on a petrol forecourt than a mobile phone. So don't wear a track-suit when going to fill up your car.Brendocon wrote: It can happen! It was in an episode of CSI: Miami and everything.
Guy had been siphoning petrol, had residue inn his system because of it. Picked up his mobile to connect an incoming call. Spark from the battery ignited with the fumes - deaded. Burnt from the inside out.
when both of you have kids, lets see how you feel about the situation. I used to feel the same way until the first time Mykal screamed "God Damnit" when I told him he couldnt have a toy at the store.Brendocon wrote:Best First wrote:being a gentleman has rod to do with whether you swear or not, its to do with your appraoch to life, which i would like to think would include not getting worked up about pointless things.It's what you do in life, not what you say in it.
...it's still doubtful they'll see your point of view. To be embarrassed in public by offspring (or students -- loco parentis is rather similar; you get the responsibility, but fewer sanctions) you have to be capable of being embarrassed by stuff that's as trivial as anything that isn't bigotry or hatred.Optimus Prime Rib wrote:[if either] of you have kids
Its easy to act like you have a higher moral fiber than everyone else until you are in the same situation. I once thought similarly about swearing in public. Id like to make it clear that I am NOT saying that anyone is being snotty about this. Its just easier to SAY how you would act rather than actually be in the situation and have to deal with it. I dont want my kids thinking that they need to swear to get thier point across.Denyer wrote:...it's still doubtful they'll see your point of view. To be embarrassed in public by offspring (or students -- loco parentis is rather similar; you get the responsibility, but fewer sanctions) you have to be capable of being embarrassed by stuff that's as trivial as anything that isn't bigotry or hatred.Optimus Prime Rib wrote:[if either] of you have kids
It isn't moral fibre. It's not caring / crediting someone else's value system with worth.Optimus Prime Rib wrote:Its easy to act like you have a higher moral fiber
Neither do I; I'd rather people develop vocabularies in at least four or five digits before they move onto shortcuts. This is a) self-acknowledged elitism, and b) the result of encountering far too many people who can't communicate even when they want to.Optimus Prime Rib wrote:I dont want my kids thinking that they need to swear to get thier point across.
I minored in French so this is like a refresher course.Brend knows it!Brendocon wrote:Spark issue.Predabot wrote:Wha? Are petrol-fumes really so unstable a compound that they can be ignited by so small amount of microwave-radiation as that of a mobile-phone??Rebis wrote:That's not illegal then? The potentially explosive scenario of mobile phone igniting gas fumes?
Should've got the sheriff to step in on that, surely?
Or is their a fear of sudden short-circuit with sparks? That doesn't seem very likely with a power-source like a mobile-battery...
It can happen! It was in an episode of CSI: Miami and everything.
Guy had been siphoning petrol, had residue inn his system because of it. Picked up his mobile to connect an incoming call. Spark from the battery ignited with the fumes - deaded. Burnt from the inside out.
So, how far away from a pump is it considered 'safe' to use a mobile? I'm only asking because a lot of stations must have a huge amount of foot traffic going past each day, so I'd assume you have to be in very close proximity to the pump?Rebis wrote:
Brend knows it!
I worked in a petrol station for over a year. I know all about ignition hazards. Vehicles are only safe because the spark plugs are sealed within the engine.
Anything over about an average car's length should do. As long as by 'pump' you mean 'petroleum in evaporating liquid form', which would also include spills and the very tall pipes that equalise the pressure in the underground tanks.Pissin' Poonani wrote:So, how far away from a pump is it considered 'safe' to use a mobile? I'm only asking because a lot of stations must have a huge amount of foot traffic going past each day, so I'd assume you have to be in very close proximity to the pump?Rebis wrote:
Brend knows it!
I worked in a petrol station for over a year. I know all about ignition hazards. Vehicles are only safe because the spark plugs are sealed within the engine.
Spark issue is only present when the suddenly-ionised internal atmosphere of the mobile phone differs from the deionised fumes. The phones' internal atmospheres had been replaced by the fumes by the time they'd started ringing (the experimenters would have retreated to a safe distance) and therefore the ionised gas was diffused naturally into the rest of the gas fumes.Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:i have seen an experiment done where a caravan was doused in petrol.
about 20 mobile phones were placed in the fume/soak filled enviroment. they rang them all day - nothing happened.
Heat + Fuel + Oxygen = Fire.Also, throwing a lit ciggy but into a petrol trail will not work either. (as seen in all good action flicks)
Considering that the majority of the combustables that come out of those are already combusted, yes.Legion wrote:What about petrol driven lawnmowers and chainsaws? Safe to chat on the old mobile whilst using them?
Damn, another potential customer gone...Rebis wrote:That I haven't. But, I do think I might be just that little bit too far afield.Legion wrote:Ah, then you've never hired Crazy Lee's Hedge Trimming Services...Rebis wrote:Not that you be able to hold a decent conversation while using them, tho...
We're not quite there yet.Rebis wrote:Heat + Fuel + Oxygen = Fire.Also, throwing a lit ciggy but into a petrol trail will not work either. (as seen in all good action flicks)
Throwing a cigarette butt (Heat) into a petrol trail (Fuel) protects the embedded (and therefore not naked) flame from the air (Oxygen). Ergo, no fire.
A lit match, or a ricocheting round, on the other hand, would cause ignition through naked flame and friction respectively.
So the static charge from synthetic clothing theory might still hold, if it caused a spark? I'm still picturing someone in a shell suit getting incinerated, that's all.....Rebis wrote: Heat + Fuel + Oxygen = Fire.
Throwing a cigarette butt (Heat) into a petrol trail (Fuel) protects the embedded (and therefore not naked) flame from the air (Oxygen). Ergo, no fire.
A lit match, or a ricocheting round, on the other hand, would cause ignition through naked flame and friction respectively.
A spark? As Runabout said, the chances of that happening are... pretty good!Brendocon wrote:Spark issue.Predabot wrote:Wha? Are petrol-fumes really so unstable a compound that they can be ignited by so small amount of microwave-radiation as that of a mobile-phone??Rebis wrote:That's not illegal then? The potentially explosive scenario of mobile phone igniting gas fumes?
Should've got the sheriff to step in on that, surely?
Or is their a fear of sudden short-circuit with sparks? That doesn't seem very likely with a power-source like a mobile-battery...
It can happen! It was in an episode of CSI: Miami and everything.
Guy had been siphoning petrol, had residue inn his system because of it. Picked up his mobile to connect an incoming call. Spark from the battery ignited with the fumes - deaded. Burnt from the inside out.
They got the imperial system over there, they wouldn't know what the **** a Royale with cheese was. You know what they call chips? French fries. And they put some kind of tomato sauce on them. I've seen them man, they ****ing drown 'em in that ****. And if you ask for chips in a shop over there, they try and sell you crisps. And shooting people is legal, but it ain't 100% legal. You can't just walk into a restaurant and blow someone away, no, they want you to shoot people in your home, or other designated areas.Scraplet wrote:EmVee: What do they call a Royale with cheese in the States?:lol:
