Did ANY characters get better treatment in Dreamwave...

Post by **Kaylee** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:55 pm

And if not, Shockwave did it!

Now *that's* reassuring

;)

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:14 pm

it may have been Straxatron, but he was being Megatron.

see?

gah.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:27 pm

Best First wrote:gah.

Gah, indeed. At least Mick's Megatron shot Starscream instead of reviving him. Twice.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:47 pm

shot him... and then was clearly planning on letting him live despite the fact Starscream had shot him in the face a little while previoulsy.

Along with keeping Shockwave alive who had also shot him a little while previously.

oh! but he has a cunning scheme to control them both right?

Yeah, massive improvement.

G2 Megs is best overall i think, while some of DW Megs was quite good they actually mange to cram almsot as much inconsistent behavior as the marvel run into less than 20 issues. Unless the Megs in volume 1 was a clone of course... (made of putty judging by the art). he was also a bit of a tosspot at the start of series 2.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:00 pm

the summer special Megatron was a badass going against the Predacons

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:15 pm

having only done it twice before in ther Marvel ru, including one time when he beat them in their combined form.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:44 pm

was just saying I enjoyed it.. sheesh

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:58 pm

Best First wrote:having only done it twice before in ther Marvel ru, including one time when he beat them in their combined form.

not to mention whilst he was as mad as a box of frogs too... ;-)

Optimus Prime Rib wrote:was just saying I enjoyed it.. sheesh

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:01 pm

Legion wrote:
Best First wrote:having only done it twice before in ther Marvel ru, including one time when he beat them in their combined form.
not to mention whilst he was as mad as a box of frogs too... ;-)

I'd counter that his calm, measured response in the Summer Special was better characterisation than ranting about Optimus Prime and jumping onto an exploding space brige...then again, maybe not...

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:20 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:
Legion wrote:
Best First wrote:having only done it twice before in ther Marvel ru, including one time when he beat them in their combined form.
not to mention whilst he was as mad as a box of frogs too... ;-)
I'd counter that his calm, measured response in the Summer Special was better characterisation than ranting about Optimus Prime and jumping onto an exploding space brige...then again, maybe not...

oh no, me too! I'm not saying that it was better characterisation, i was just pointing out that he was able to whip predaking's butt whilst being a dribbling nutter...

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:17 pm

Optimus Prime Rib wrote:the summer special Megatron was a badass going against the Predacons

Umm, yeah, while only going against ONE Predacon, Razorclaw,having killed the others off-screen (as was his habit in the cartoon, only killing Autobots off-screen)

In Marvel he trounces ALL of them,then gets Predaking too. With a tree stump! and a fusion cannon

DW characters done better?

TWW Jetfire. Wholly different then Marvel's Earth-born Jetfire and the bumbling doofus of the cartoon. I quite liked him in the Dark Ages. He wasn't that good in the Sunstorm arc (he never did anything except fighting Sunstorm and treating Starscream like a long lost brother, which was, plain weird).

-TWW Trypticon was better then Marvels, I say.It WAS Marvel's Trypsie, but elavated. I must say I hear Roger Moore saying his lines when I read Dark Ages.

-Hot Spot. He was shown having at least some characterisation, which he sorely lacked in Marvel, where the only memorable thing he did was sacrificing himself.

The Fallen!!!

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:57 am

I'll always wonder where they were going with the Bumblebee-quitting-the-Autobots thing. I wish they had the chance to go into it more. But, judging from we've seen, it probably would have been shallow and trite.

-J

Post by **Best First** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:31 am

Optimus Prime Rib wrote:was just saying I enjoyed it.. sheesh

just commenting. on a discussion baord. sheesh.

As for BB, i suspect he would have coem back to save the day in the nick of time aftre much well written soul searching.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:20 pm

Best First wrote:
Optimus Prime Rib wrote:was just saying I enjoyed it.. sheesh
just commenting. on a discussion baord. sheesh.

As for BB, i suspect he would have coem back to save the day in the nick of time aftre much well written soul searching.

just saying sheesh for the sake of saying sheesh... sheesh

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:22 pm

I suspected they were setting BB to be the next Prime.

Just from what ol' Sunny says to him at the end of #6.

That would be arse. No offence meant to Bumblemus Prime, of course, but it would.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:22 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:I suspected they were setting BB to be the next Prime.

Just from what ol' Sunny says to him at the end of #6.

That would be arse. No offence meant to Bumblemus Prime, of course, but it would.

surely even they culdn't get it that wrong?

what?

oh.

Pretender Bumblebee · Post by **Pretender Bumblebee** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:04 pm

Dead Head wrote:
Pretender Bumblebee wrote:Jetfire and Ultra Magnus would be my chocies. They really went deeper then the cartoon or comic did with either of these characters. Giving them interesting moments and situations that they had never really been in before.
Wha? Deep? So Bradley McMickelson's characterisation of Ultra Magnus was deeper?

I thought it was a nice touch. The topic is who got better treatment in Dreamwave. Not if you agreed with how they were portrayed. It was who got some highlight moments and development. That is what I would consider better treatment then previously. Like it or not.. I think the way UM was handled was original. It hadn't been done before and it was a nice take on things. No I'm not saying it was the best and most creative thing ever to hit the TF universe, but from someone who was and is a cartoon fan over the comic fan.. I enjoy things like Me Grimlock and using nifty little things like the Optimus Prime form of Ultra Magnus as a way to use the character. Sorry it wasn't deep enough for some but I actually thought it was cool. Ultra Magnus was only in the Us Movie adaptation comic and cartoon. we didn't get the deep Ultra Magnus stories in our 80 issue Marvel Run that you had. So I guess its just coming from differnet perspectives. I always liked Ultra Magnus and felt he was much cooler then Rodimus Prime.

The problem with the Dreamwave comic is everyone wanted it to be a continuation of the UK style of deeper stories and situations, but it just wasn't going to be that. From the start it was a whole new path and direction. For the first time a company had a use of 7 years worth of toys from day one. Maybe I'm in the minority.. no.. definitely I am but I liked cartoon Grimlock better then gung ho serious warrior Grimlock in the comics. Different strokes for differnet folks. I liked the use of Ultra Magnus in Prime mode and yes the brothers thing may have been corny and RiDish but its either that or they just happen to be of the same mold for no reason other then it was the hot model 10 million years ago when they were created. I give em credit.. you don't like how they went about it.. thats cool... thats what makes this cool. We all have differnet opinions but as far as the topic of this thread goes.. I think Ultra Magnus got some good milage and coverage and I know if the comic continued on it would have only gotten better. Can't say now as the comic folded but I was impressed with what they came up.

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:44 am

Metal Vendetta
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:22:pm Post subject:
I suspected they were setting BB to be the next Prime.

Just from what ol' Sunny says to him at the end of #6.

That would be arse. No offence meant to Bumblemus Prime, of course, but it would.

I think he looks quite cool.....

Dead Head · Post by **Dead Head** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:55 pm

Pretender Bumblebee wrote: The problem with the Dreamwave comic is everyone wanted it to be a continuation of the UK style of deeper stories and situations, but it just wasn't going to be that.

The problem was that DW's certain cases of good artwork (Figgy) should not have been largely incompatible with good storytelling in their flagship G1 title. People here didn't want "UK style of deeper stories and situations", they just wanted "deeper stories and situations". And people wanting excellent stories shouldn't have been 'the problem' as you suggest. Why should we make quality-of-storytelling exceptions for a comics publisher just because our favorite mechanical changelings feature in it? That's what your suggesting - that we should have lowered our garbage threshold for DWG1v1+v2+v3 ... ... because TFs rokkk!!

Pretender Bumblebee wrote: From the start it was a whole new path and direction. For the first time a company had a use of 7 years worth of toys from day one.

What's the relevance of this obvious point?

Pretender Bumblebee wrote: yes the brothers thing may have been corny

I agree.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:12 pm

Pretender Bumblebee wrote:
Dead Head wrote:
Pretender Bumblebee wrote:Jetfire and Ultra Magnus would be my chocies. They really went deeper then the cartoon or comic did with either of these characters. Giving them interesting moments and situations that they had never really been in before.
Wha? Deep? So Bradley McMickelson's characterisation of Ultra Magnus was deeper?
From the start it was a whole new path and direction. For the first time a company had a use of 7 years worth of toys from day one.

... and they decided to introduce them in the order they appeared originally... How original.

If it hasn't been for Furman, do you think we'd've ever seen Nighbeat, Scorponok or Bludgeon before 2007?

Maybe I'm in the minority.. no.. definitely I am but I liked cartoon Grimlock better then gung ho serious warrior Grimlock in the comics.

Don't you post by the name Silverstreak on SEibertron? If not, then you're the second guy I ever heard having this opinion. Even die-hard cartoon fans are usually trying hard to forget the shame of a character that was cartoon Grimlock...

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:57 am

Dead Head wrote:Why should we make quality-of-storytelling exceptions for a comics publisher just because our favorite mechanical changelings feature in it?

Bingo

Post by **Best First** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:57 am

KingMob wrote:
Dead Head wrote:Why should we make quality-of-storytelling exceptions for a comics publisher just because our favorite mechanical changelings feature in it?
Bingo

yep.

if anything our criterion should be higher given that we care so much about the property. I'll never unerstand why some people seem to take the inverse view. I would rather have no TF comics ever agian than see characters i love butt ****ed by people with no talent or imagination.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:06 am

Best First wrote:I would rather have no TF comics ever agian than see characters i love butt ****ed by people with no talent or imagination.

iI must have missed that issue...

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:11 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:I must have missed that issue...

Whoa, didn't you see how Prime looked in first two G1 miniseries?

Post by **Best First** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:16 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:
Best First wrote:I would rather have no TF comics ever agian than see characters i love butt ****ed by people with no talent or imagination.

I must have missed that issue...

nah, its just hard to tell with Pats art and a lot of its coverd by ridiulous amounts of exposition.

i.e DW Vol 2 issue 6. Turns out Shockwave falling down a hole really was poetic justice after what he did to Magnus.

Post by **Denyer** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:57 pm

Best First wrote:while some of DW Megs was quite good they actually mange to cram almsot as much inconsistent behavior as the marvel run into less than 20 issues.

The "mystic savant" version in TWW was a bit annoying... needed background on where he got his info, for one thing.

Trypticon was a nice piece of characterisation.

Laserwave · Post by **Laserwave** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:11 pm

I`d say Brawn again, and Megatron. Marvel had too much of a chubby for Galvatron in my opinion.

Post by **Best First** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:21 pm

Laserwave wrote:I`d say Brawn again, and Megatron. Marvel had too much of a chubby for Galvatron in my opinion.

Impy is keeping that boner alive.