WILL HE WONT HE!

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:45 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:guilty?

officially not.

As Karl said i largely feel sorry for him, he is clearly barking. Vilifying teh sick doesn't strike me as the way forward for society, eevn if their illnesses have some nasty consequences.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:51 pm

pedophiles could be considered mentally sicks, like murderers - instead of using doctors we put them in jail to protect the public.

If Jako was ill and had performed lude acts with children, taken advantage, should we say "ahhh - put him in hospital hes clearly ill" - or "throw away the kill the pervert"

the fine line our society walks

Post by **Kaylee** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:01 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:pedophiles could be considered mentally sicks, like murderers - instead of using doctors we put them in jail to protect the public.

If Jako was ill and had performed lude acts with children, taken advantage, should we say "ahhh - put him in hospital hes clearly ill" - or "throw away the kill the pervert"

the fine line our society walks

Problem is most of our definitions change and evolve with time. What we consider a child is a product of the Victorian era, prior to that marriage with people as young as 14 were common. 'Children' were considered as just little adults.

Similarly what constitutes a pervert and someone who needs help changes with time.

Not that I'm adding anything here, I'm just adding further complications to the issue.

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:33 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:Problem is most of our definitions change and evolve with time. What we consider a child is a product of the Victorian era, prior to that marriage with people as young as 14 were common. 'Children' were considered as just little adults.

Changing definitions is growth, for better or worse.

prior to that marriage with people as young as 14 were common. 'Children' were considered as just little adults.

I think a lot of that had to do with lifespan... the average is supposed to be something like 70-80 now, right? Back then it was more like 30 iirc. Childbearin' years were few.

We don't need to reproduce immeadiately upon sexual maturity anymore. There's no reason to engage in an activity that is socially unacceptable and repulsive today... urges to do so, I don't know. I'm assuming it could be tied to the past (genetically) in some fashion... attracted to the young, reproduce more...

Post by **Kaylee** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:41 pm

Well the point I'm trying to make is that what we consider bad and nasty is in a lot of cases dictated just by 'well this what we think' rather than actual reasoning.

I'd have thought that for children up until about 14 sex is something thats liable to confuse them, make them feel used and objectified rather than loved and is liable to lead to clandestine and damaging relationships based on threats.

However 14-16 is a tricky region. Some people develop and mature faster than others, physically and emotionally. Personally I would be very very very wary of a relationship even with a 16 yo based on that reasoning, although I'm attracted to some young men who might be only 15. Your sex drive doesn't switch off based on age. I often wonder if that makes me a bad person

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:12 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:I often wonder if that makes me a bad person

Not at all. I sometimes see an attractive young woman and go and talk to her only to find she's 14 or 15 (this makes me sound dodgy, doesn't it?). Obviously I'm not going to pursue any kind of relationship with this girl (except perhaps pals), but even when she 'comes of age' I may still be reluctant to be 'physical' with her, just because I knew her when she was too young.
One of my sister's friends only turned 16 last week (coincedentally enough), but although I'm fond of her, it still would feel wrong to try and date her. Perhaps I'm just too old.
Damn young teens and their mature looks.

As for still buying MJ's music - I will if it's any good. But recently it's been dump anyway.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:21 pm

Attractive is attractive. It's how you act on that attraction.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:25 pm

I ain't no perv. But the sweet sixteen I mentioned is quite attractive. The dress she wore at her party was also rather... revealing.
She quite likes me too. Her father doesn't though.

God, I sound like a dirty old man. I'm not REALLY old, by the way. Just older than HER by rather a bit.

IronHide · Post by **IronHide** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:18 pm

Sorry but any relationship between an older man/woman and a teenager is just wrong (by older i mean 25+).

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:38 am

so a 19 and a 25 year old?

christ man arrest me i was getting in with this 19 year old the other week, she seemed to know exactly what she was doing, i wouldnt persue it tho.

Pissin' Poonani · Post by **Pissin' Poonani** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:41 am

My ex was 18 when we got together-I was 25. Fail to see what's wrong with it meself.

Dead Head · Post by **Dead Head** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:43 am

"Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?"

I mean, who hasn't been in a situation where you've mistaken a hotty's age? In my case, she turned out to be twelve (down at the station) but I honestly swear that she could've passed for fifteen. What can I say... I was a mixed up eight year old from the wrong side of town.

IronHide · Post by **IronHide** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:24 am

Think about it. What were you doing at 25? For most you get out of college, keeping a job and making a living for yourself?

Now, what were you doing when you were a teenager? College or High School. You're in a totally different environment. You're concentrating on school and thats it.

Now granted once you're over 18 you can pretty much do what you want. My complaint is more directed towards the under 18 kids being involved with older people. However, I dont see a problem with an age gap if you are 40 and he/she is like 30, theres nothing wrong with that.

IMO I think its better for teens to date teens and for adults to date adults, only because you will both usually be at the same points in your lives at the time. When one partner is at a different some other point it has the possibilty to make life difficult for one of them or both.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:56 am

Yes, stay in your pigeonholes people.

pedophiles could be considered mentally sicks, like murderers - instead of using doctors we put them in jail to protect the public.

If Jako was ill and had performed lude acts with children, taken advantage, should we say "ahhh - put him in hospital hes clearly ill" - or "throw away the kill the pervert"

the fine line our society walks

The only fine line we walk is 'how much does doing the right thing cost'?

Naturally people who are a threat should be segregated but where possible they should also be treated. Locking people up who are somehow damaged in the head and doing nothing about it is to me nothing but immoral.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:08 am

I think that we should take everybody who thinks or behaves differently to how we do, and throw them into a dungeon for the rest of their lives.

Or burn them.

Or gas them.

People who think the Earth is a different shape to what we know is true.
People who think they've been abducted by aliens, when we know there's no such thing.
People who have different religious beliefs to us.
People who have abhorent sexual preferences.

Just exterminate the lot of them. After all, there's no point in them sharing the world with us norms who know that they're sick/insane/deluded/possessed/cursed, and it's not like social perceptions will ever change to reveal that maybe they had one up on us all along.

He's not the Son of God. He's a very naughty boy.

Crucify him!

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:05 am

Exterminate! Exterminate!

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:22 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:Exterminate! Exterminate!

Did you come up with that one all by yourself?

My dad was twenty years older than my mum. Think about that - he was TWENTY when she was BORN. That said, they didn't meet until she was twenty herself - but even then, that makes him a dirty old man by most people's standards. Considering that he was only three years younger than my mum's mum.
Perhaps he should have married my gran?

IronHide · Post by **IronHide** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:20 pm

Best First wrote:Yes, stay in your pigeonholes people.

Ah sarcasm, the great debate equalizer.

Post by **Best First** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:38 am

IronHide wrote:
Best First wrote:Yes, stay in your pigeonholes people.

Ah sarcasm, the great debate equalizer.

i'm failing to see anything that warrents a more considered response. sorry.

some relationships work, some don't, there are lots of factors and age isn't always one of them.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:40 pm

Best First wrote:
We are a joke race. Humanity is clearly a prank being played by some higher being.

Besty has found religion!

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:53 pm

sprunkner wrote:
Best First wrote:
We are a joke race. Humanity is clearly a prank being played by some higher being.
Besty has found religion!

Found it to be what?

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:58 pm

A prank played by some higher being. Weren't you listening?

Post by **Best First** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:37 pm

sprunkner wrote:
Best First wrote:
We are a joke race. Humanity is clearly a prank being played by some higher being.
Besty has found religion!

and 20p down the back of the sofa. What a day.