Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith [Spoilers]

[Redstreak]

It was simply incredible; blew me away. Had my heart in my throat when he showed up to kill the young-lings. The fight scenes were brilliant as always, and the very suddenness of many things that happened was strongly done, such as Windu's death.

It is ironic in the end that Anakin failed at what he set out to do; save Padme. It all seems to tie together well with the originals too, I've no complaints in that regard.

Dialogue yeah, it wasn't great, but clearly in this one actions spoke loudest.

And that cameo by Tarkin was nice.

[KingMob]

And that cameo by Tarkin was nice.

Yeah, I liked that. He looked so sinister...I wasn't expecting him to turn around and look at Vader then walk off; I just thought he'd have his back to us the whole time. Nice.

[spiderfrommars]

Ok.... I thought that was extremely enjoyable.

However... it had many many problems in spite of that, including several moments of unintended hilarity that had the typically cynical Oxford audience here in hysterics.

Bad bits:

I found myself dreading the Padme/Anakin scenes, which were by and large excruciating. "I love you" "I love you more" etc.

Following on from that, what a thankless role Portman had. She really didn't have much to do except have a vaguely gullible air about her. To think she was portrayed as a strong character previously.

Emperor descended into dreadful panto by the end.

The death of Windu scene completely bizarre. Nice nod to the end of ROTJ in it, but Anakin's turn made little sense.

Obi-Wan's iguana-thing. Perfect example of having a special effect for the sake of it - and some people defend these new films about not being just about effects??

Lucas clearly didn't know what to do with Threepio, and was completely flummoxed with Jar Jar. The latter really did serve no purpose, and his fate was left hanging.

The recreated Vader's first words: "Where is Padme?" Sorry, thats ****.

That kid's stupid acting, just before Anakin kills him. Kill the brat I say.

And I would've liked to see Anakin kill more grown up jedi! In A New Hope Obi-wan says Vader wiped out the jedi - and yes it turns out he helped, but killing a bunch of kids doesn't make him badass.

General Grevious' coughing. Silly.

Chewbacca cameo pointless, pandering to fanboys (didn't mind seeing the Wookie planet tho).

Christensen acting evil. I was unconvinced.

Anakin's dreams, pure cheese.

The Federation droids overused for comedic value.

Palpatine's face goes manky because...?

"She's lost the will to live." What?

How exactly does Leia remember her mother was "very sad". I can suspend disbelief on some things, but come on...

Bail going "my wife and I have always wanted to adopt." Jesus, talk about spelling it out...

Crap dialogue. The original trilogy's best moments were scripted by the likes of Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan. Why is Lucas so stubborn not to let anyone help him with a screenplay on this scale?

Thankfully there were plenty of good bits tho:

Eepecially the design, which nicely started to echo A New Hope. Good to see the Blockade runner, slightly rejigged troopers, small Star Destroyers etc.

Effects were AMAZING.

Brilliant duels. Loved Grevious' four pronged sabre attack. Emperor Vs Yoda (though why can't Yoda win this?). Anakin Vs Obi-Wan was great (I was glad he got his arse kicked). The Dooku battle (poor Christopher Lee, he has a habit of getting killed off at the start of third episodes!)

Nice reminder of the trinket Anakin gave Padme as a kid.

Ewan's acting was welcome gravitas. Sam Jackson also came out unscathed.

The music was BRILLIANT (Lucas should be very grateful how much this helped the film).

Birth of Vader was great (before he speaks). When that breathing starts... very cool.

Moff Tarkin cameo, cool (but where the hell did he come from?)

"This is how liberty dies, to the sound of applause"

The way everything fell in place. Over the 3 films Palpatine's rise to power has actually been nicely orchestrated (if a little sudden here).

When Anakin kills off the rest of the aliens on Mustafar it just felt right... the Empire has no place for non-human lifeforms, and they were simply used to get them there.

The clone troopers betrayal, and the subsequent purge.

Probably Lucas' best directing job of the four SW films he's done. The camera actually moved for a change. First scene was superbly done. Vader's birth/twin's birth nice juxtaposition.

Violence was good. Anakin catching fire, great.

Yoda was brilliant throughout. The only character I could really cheer for.

Some other good/bad things will probably come to me later. But in conclusion, far from a great film, but easily the best of the new trilogy, and a fairly tidy way of wrapping things up. And no, its not better than ROTJ.

[Best First]

its nowhere hear as godo as Jedi - i agree its the best of teh new crop (altho i guess its maybe a bit soon to say...)

Luke's journey remaisn far more intersteing/convincing than Anakin's.

That Kid! argh!

Grievous coughing is actually explained if you watch Clone Wars - but they could have eaily explained it and chose not to - silly.

Clone Wars also actucally makes Cody's betrayal of Obi-wan far more stark.

Either way... i'll probably see it a few more times.

edit...

i normally dislike this guy's opinons (nd there are still parts of his review that are stupid, like his childish rant about the title) but some of his review is comedy gold:

http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/C ... 59,00.html

highlights are:

"As an actor Christensen must show the terrible embryo of future wickedness within himself. And how does he do this? By tilting his head down, looking up through lowered brows and giving the unmistakable impression that he is very, very cross. If Princess Diana had gone to the Dark Side, she would have looked a lot like this."

and

"But that is not how Lucas's solemnly high-flown script chooses to refer to them. With sub-Shakespearian gravitas, McGregor intones: "Not even the younglings survived." I'm sorry, not even the what? Is that their surname or something? Are Mr and Mrs Youngling going to come home to find a nursery bloodbath?"

[Jetfire]

I've never really rated Jedi. It lacks an individual story and the plot doesn't even get going until after a 1/2 hour rescue of Han who then serves no real purpose to the rest of the story bar a few quips which are light weight compared to the first 2 films.

At the moment the 2 hours I spent watching Sith was 2 utterly fantastic hours gripped in absolute movie pleasure.

I don't see what the problem with General Grievous' cough is? It's only occasionally used, adds human movement to the character and adds an extra dimension. Vader's breathing problems where never actually explained in the original films and that didn't affect his character.

Having read the novel, which has most of the erased scenes in, a fair bit was edited for length, as far too many films were. My top enjoyment could have come from the fact my mind fills in any (if there are any) missing emotional links.

At the end of the day all the Sideous underlings are simply precursors to Vader. Mauls dominate Saber skill, Dooku's leadership and Grievous' man/machine hybrid. There are all there to imply and strengthen the argument that Vader is Sideous' ultimate Sith.

More good stuff that comes to mind:

R2. Funking funny through out.
Weird dream sequences.
Grievous getting out the 4 blades and twirling 2 of them into the floor at super speed.
Start battle.
R2 trying to hide Obi Wan's voice on the com.
Anakin's explains his master plan to Obi. Lovely connection to Empire Strikes back where Vader first reveals his good intentions.
Padmes line about Liberty.
Music. Perhaps the best in the saga.
Obi Wan vs Anakin. Man those 2 could move the sabers fast.

[Redstreak]

And I would've liked to see Anakin kill more grown up jedi! In A New Hope Obi-wan says Vader wiped out the jedi - and yes it turns out he helped, but killing a bunch of kids doesn't make him badass.

If memory serves, the line is: "...helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi knights. He betrayed and..."

The Federation droids overused for comedic value.

Yeah cheesy, but didn't bug me.

Palpatine's face goes manky because...?

The force lightning being reflected on him by Mace's saber.

How exactly does Leia remember her mother was "very sad". I can suspend disbelief on some things, but come on...

That was the thing that had me...the explanation I got on it was that either Mrs. Organa died young or she had force premonitions, visions of her mother. I dunno, that was the only thing that really stood out.

[Jetfire]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/ ... wars.reut/

The final chapter of the "Star Wars" movie saga grossed a record $50 million from its first 24 hours in North American theaters, the highest box office tally for a single day, according to studio estimates issued Friday.

"Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith," the last installment in the six-part epic George Lucas launched nearly 30 years ago, surpassed the previous opening-day box office record set by "Spider-Man 2" -- $40.4 million -- and the $44.8 million single-day benchmark "Shrek 2" grossed in its fourth day of release, according to Exhibitor Relations Inc.

Considering most people kinda felt Star Wars was just anotehr franchaise, especially as Spider-Man appearing more popular these days, thats amazing business. Especially as there's far less competition from other mega blockbusters than when the previosu 2 came out.

[Computron]

Saw it, and while it's the best of the new SW films, it's got some dreadful problems.

1) I'm still not convinced by Anakin's fall. It actually was going well prior to the Windu/Sidious battle, as Anakin wrestle's with betraying the Chancellor's confidence vs. serving the council, while the threat of Padme's life bears on him. However, once he knows who the Sith Lord is, he goes right to Windu and tells him.

Moments later Windu has his hand chopped off because Anakin decides that listening and trusting a Sith Lord makes more sense than not.

Furthermore, Anakin kills Windu, and all of a sudden makes the leap to killing children and destroying the Temple. Talk about converts being the most fanatic of followers. He barely bats an eye.

"Guess I'm evil now, what should I do?"

"Kill the Jedi"

"Right-O!"

2) Nooooooooooooooooooo!

Cheesy. Didn't like that line one bit. It would have sufficed to have Vader simply destroy the droids and the room with the Force, rather than release a Frankenstein-esque yell.

3) Padme/Anakin - Let's make out in front of the Galactic Senate, right out in the open where no less than 30 million people can see us! This column will protect our identities!

That being said the movie still had some highly entertaining and powerful moments, such as Vader's creation, fight with Obi-Wan, the betrayal of the Jedi and so on.

[Best First]

1) I'm still not convinced by Anakin's fall.

Thats what bugged me the most.

Still, at least he justifies it with the classic and well delivered line "From my point of view the Jedi are evil".

Seriously, when was he ever on the right path anyway? We are led to believe in the original triology in a hero who falls from grace and is seduced by power - but when is Anakin ever really heroic? As an adult he is consistantly arrogant, eschews those who care about him, puts himself and his desires first and constantly bitches about it all. He's an asshole.

"When i met your father, he was already a great asshole..."

He was never a great Jedi as luke believes - powerful and brave but never a selfless hero like Obi-wan or Quigon. The whole myth just doesnt hang together for me - anakin skywalker is basically a guy who takes 60 years to do the right thing, despite having great power, a fit bird and a great mate looking out for him at all times. what a bell.

[Redstreak]

20 years, Besty.

Also I don't think he was classified under the term hero; they pimped his power and Obi-Wan his friendship, but not any good deeds. Hero is also a broad term to use; Obi-Wan did rattle off his accomplishments after the battle though. From my POV, you can be troubled and heroic, and that's what they're probly going for. The troubled side just won out.

I'm surprised no one has talked about how he was manipulated from about all sides other than Kenobi(indirectly at best); everyone was trying to use him as the means to an end. The Jedi were trying to use him, the Emperor was trying to use him, etc. He didn't get to establish his own path, everyone was trying to lay it before him. Undoubtedly that contributed a great deal to his fall.

I'm a character development guy, you all know that by now...personally I think it came off just fine. As G91 said at TFA tho...lighten the [composite word including 'f*ck'] up and enjoy the ******* movie...don't take it so damn seriously.

[bobaprime85]

I'm surprised no one has talked about how he was manipulated from about all sides other than Kenobi(indirectly at best); everyone was trying to use him as the means to an end. The Jedi were trying to use him, the Emperor was trying to use him, etc. He didn't get to establish his own path, everyone was trying to lay it before him. Undoubtedly that contributed a great deal to his fall.

That's not much of a defense for a guy that killed children in cold blood. Yes, Palpatine was constantly there, wispering in his ear about how he would become powerful, but that is still no excuse for what he did. Especially when one considers that he really did have everything going for him. Hell, Padme was willing to risk destroying her career, and by extension her life, by marrying him, and he still twists it all around so that it focuses on his problems. And the Jedi? You could make the same argument that they were trying to use Luke in a more manipulative manner than Anakin, and Luke turned out to be a better Jedi than any of them. I get that Lucas wants us to see Anakin as a 'Macbeth' or 'King Lear' type of tragic hero, but instead he looks like an arrogant ass. In fact, the unrepentant arrogance he's shown in the past is really why I didn't have much trouble buying his turn to the dark side.

I'm a character development guy, you all know that by now...personally I think it came off just fine. As G91 said at TFA tho...lighten the **** up and enjoy the ******* movie...don't take it so damn seriously.

This isn't about "taking it seriously", it's about being able to swallow the motivations being presented to us by the actors about their characters. Our male and female leads, unfortunately, have been saddled with some really lame dialogue and don't really have the acting skills to back it up. Luckily, we have thespians like McGregor, Jackson, and McDiarmid to even it out some. Even the CGI Yoda voiced by Oz had more actual acting ability. Really, they're the ones who tend to carry the movie.

Now, I do not retract my earlier praise of the film. I still enjoyed and I plan to see it again several times and I believe it was worthy of the Star Wars mantle. However, another viewing has allowed me get off my initial high and scrutinize the film more and I have to say that it does not prove itself to be superior to any of the original films. ROTJ has a safe lock on the 3rd position, so ROTS has to settle for 4th.

[Shanti418]

Seriously, when was he ever on the right path anyway? We are led to believe in the original triology in a hero who falls from grace and is seduced by power - but when is Anakin ever really heroic? As an adult he is consistantly arrogant, eschews those who care about him, puts himself and his desires first and constantly bitches about it all. He's an asshole.

"When i met your father, he was already a great asshole..."

He was never a great Jedi as luke believes - powerful and brave but never a selfless hero like Obi-wan or Quigon. The whole myth just doesnt hang together for me - anakin skywalker is basically a guy who takes 60 years to do the right thing, despite having great power, a fit bird and a great mate looking out for him at all times. what a bell.

This is a good point, although I think that we can presume that there was a good deal of time that passed between Eps. II and III where Anakin might have built up other accomplishments to where he WAS a good Jedi. Hard to believe he was great already, though.

But clearly, the most lackluster thing of this movie was Anakin's fall, and the most lackluster thing of this first trilogy is that Anakin is not enough of a redeeming character. I mean, okay, he's a slave, and then his Mom gets killed, sure, but as has been said many a time, the guy's an ass.

I was hoping that maybe in this movie he'd have some "I'm just a chill Jedi deferring to my Master" type thing w/ Obi Wan, like how Obi Wan was in The Phantom Menace.

But no, right out of the gates he's not listening to Obi Wan and he's acting all brash like he's the cats meow during the opening dogfight.

The only difference is that now, instead of Obi Wan smacking down his Padwan (or however you spell it) like in Eps. II, he just sits there and takes it. The only time I saw any measure of respect towards Obi Wan from Anakin was when Obi Wan was just about to go see the Jedi Council.

HOWEVER.....we must remember that Luke was not exactly the best at following Obi Wan or Yoda's orders, either. Prolly just runs in their family, I guess. Sometimes they conquer the galaxy, sometimes they save it, sometimes they just sit around and drink.

[Best First]

20 years, Besty.

i meant from Birth, guess he's actually a bit younger, but whatever.

I'm surprised no one has talked about how he was manipulated from about all sides other than Kenobi(indirectly at best); everyone was trying to use him as the means to an end. The Jedi were trying to use him, the Emperor was trying to use him, etc.

The Jedi only come close to 'trying to use him' in the 3rd film, and even then it turns out they are bang on in asking him to spy on the emperor. Plus Mace is also pretty spot on in suggesting Anakin is untrustworthy isn't he?

I'm a character development guy, you all know that by now...personally I think it came off just fine.

whereas the rest of us just watch films and read books and stuff, what do we know? - you realise how statements like that come off right?

As G91 said at TFA tho...lighten the **** up and enjoy the ******* movie...don't take it so damn seriously.

Piss off mate. Ill take it as seriously as i like, if you don't want to discuss or scrutinise it then bog off out the topic rather than telling others what they can and can't say.

besides which lighten the f*** up and enjoy the f***ing movie doesn't sound like the advice dispensed by a calm person.

I thought it had too many flaws, i wanna discuss it and if you have an issue with that, be elsewhere.

Shanti - as regards between eps 2 and 3, i'd recommend checking out the clone wars cartoon.

[Redstreak]

God almighty are you high-strung...can't go without calling my posts **** or scolding me for how I say something. That's really very considerate of you. You want a link to G91's post? It's verbatim on account of similar problems in the same thread over there. And you know what it did? Got ppl to calm the hell down, that's what.

But don't talk that **** to me. You weren't the only person I was referring to, though you're certainly taking it like you were.

And I'm soooo sorry that speaking from my area of expertise puts you off so badly. God forbid.

The Jedi only come close to 'trying to use him' in the 3rd film, and even then it turns out they are bang on in asking him to spy on the emperor. Plus Mace is also pretty spot on in suggesting Anakin is untrustworthy isn't he?

I don't recall referring to any other film other than the one we're talking about...and I don't think you're seeing past anything other than the blatantly obvious in this regard.

Is it possible for you to stop talking down to those that disagree with you? You go off like that way too often.

[Best First]

God almighty are you high-strung...can't go without calling my posts **** or scolding me for how I say something.

yeah, i'm highly strung reaction boy.

[quotq]That's really very considerate of you. You want a link to G91's post? It's verbatim on account of similar problems in the same thread over there.[/quote]

what problems? Everyone has been fine in this thread, there is disagreement sure but nothing else. Some people are actually being quite flippant if you read a bit more carefully.

And you know what it did? Got ppl to calm the hell down, that's what.

whereas here it just came across as irrritaing and unneccesary. bravo.

No one needed to calm down. It was a pointless outburst.

But don't talk that **** to me.

or... what exactly? Don't talk **** to people in the first place son.

You weren't the only person I was referring to, though you're certainly taking it like you were.

Right, so you come into this topic, judge, it would seem from the above statement a bunch of us in terms of our manner and tell everyone how to act... yes, i can see you have an issue with people talking **** to each other. Well argued.

And I'm soooo sorry that speaking from my area of expertise puts you off so badly. God forbid.

feel free to join the debate, just don't caveat your contributions with the implication that you know more about these things than everyone else - its patronising and not really valid when you are dealing with people who have been just as saturated and interested in the media we are talking about as you for decades.

Is it possible for you to stop talking down to those that disagree with you?

sure. not feeling inclinded right now though...

i'd like to point out this is my area of expertise afterall.

You go off like that way too often.

Yeah yeah - point is don't roll into topics here telling people how much to care about stuff. Its knobbish.

As an aside if you think people shouldn't take it serioulsy or disect it why are you even reading this topic?

[Kaylee]

Verbatim et literatim or not, I think you did effectively just swear at Besty (and everyone else...) who wanted to discuss the faults with the movie. His reaction was quite understandable imo, nobody likes being told off just because they're talking about something to a depth greater than just extolling its virtues. Budding author or not.

I thought the thread had quite a jolly atmosphere

EDITED- Good ol' besty ^_^

[Best First]

maybe we should lighten the **** up and enjoy the ****ing topic?

i'm guessing that's somehow different. somehow.

Anyway...

Yoda losing - to me it looked like he was winning - the force explosion sends DS flying, but moments later Yoda is screwed and Sideous is fine.

I also thought the way that Yoda let himslef get done after walking into Palpy's office was rather odd - surely he was expecting such abilities (although the way he casually knocked out the guards was wicked ). To me it felt they couldn't bring themselves to make Palps out and out better, so they let him get in a cheap shot early by way of a leveller... but him getting that shot in smacked of contrivance IMO.

Oddly though all this stuff is making me look forward to seeing it again as i want to give it all a better look.

[Professor Smooth]

Couple things about the movie I can't answer:

1) Why does Anakin need the suit? Sure he was terribly burned and left as little more than a torso, but he was still a terribly burned torso that was able to crawl up a steaming hot slope for (what I would assume would have to have been) a fairly long time. Does he wear the mask simply to cover his deformity? If so, what's with that trademark breathing? His lungs seemed to work fine during his operation.

2) How fast is space travel? This movie did a terrible job of showing the passage of time, imo. Was Palpatine there to help Anakin a few minutes after he was cripped or a few hours? How long was Anakin "under the knife" on his way to becoming half machine? It seems that all the droids had to do was attach some new limbs and suit him up.

3) How are the Jedi worse than the Sith? If we're going for desregard of sentient life, I'd say not very. It seems that their first line of thought when something's not going there way is to threaten and/or kill the opposing party. Look at what's been said in earlier movies. Aggressive negotiations=negotiations with a lightsaber. I don't know about anyone else, but I hear that as "Listen, you'd better do what the jedi want you to do or I'm going to bury this incredibly hot/sharp beam of pure energy in something vital. The jedi just seem like complete assholes throughout the entire prequal trilogy. They even say that they'd probably be willing to take control of the senate if need be.

4) It took 20 years to build the 1st Death Star? Then why the hell did it take a couple months to nearly finish the 2nd one?

5) Was Palpatine disfigured during the attack on Mace or did the lightning just melt his Palpatine mask and he looked like Sideous the whole time?

6) Worse than Vader's "Noooooooooooooo" had to have been Palpatine's "Noooo, Nooo, Noooo!" when he's being attacked by Windu. Jebus that sounded terrible.

Anakin's killing of the younglings didn't seem too out-of-character considering the jedi really have no problem killing things that stand in there way to begin with. Plus, Anakin's killed children (and women) before when they'd done nothing but be associated by proxy with others who needed killing.

When all's said and done, I'd go out on a limb here and say that Anakin did what most people in situation (with his upbringing) would have done. Hell, I know I would have.

[Best First]

i would have quit so i could have spent all day every day, er, seeing to my wifes needs if i were him...

[Hound]

I thought it was much better than I expected. The script and acting are definately better than previous modern efforts, but still horribly lacking. I feel for people like McGregor, quality actors, given a legendary part to play but given **** lines. Poor bloke.

Like most people, I didnt find the way the movie showed Anakin going evil convincing. On paper it probably worked fine.

I thought the way Anakin was grizzed at the end was gruesome though.

[Jetfire]

but when is Anakin ever really heroic? As an adult he is consistantly arrogant, eschews those who care about him, puts himself and his desires first and constantly bitches about it all. He's an asshole.

"When i met your father, he was already a great asshole..."

He was never a great Jedi as luke believes - powerful and brave but never a selfless hero like Obi-wan or Quigon. The whole myth just doesnt hang together for me - anakin skywalker is basically a guy who takes 60 years to do the right thing, despite having great power, a fit bird and a great mate looking out for him at all times. what a bell.

But most people regard him as a hero. Mostly due to his exploits as a Jedi. In episode 3 he is already done enough to be chosen with Obi Wan to save the chanchler, he saves the leader of the galaxy, kills Dukoo who started the war and offically kills the seperists thus ending the war. We know he's an arse but that doesn't not make him a hero when his exploits offically saved the galaxy.

[Best First]

But most people regard him as a hero.

according to who?

Mostly due to his exploits as a Jedi. In episode 3 he is already done enough to be chosen with Obi Wan to save the chanchler,

that means he is a warrior, not a hero

he saves the leader of the galaxy, kills Dukoo

who is unarmed, against his own warrior code - i.e not heroic at all

who started the war and offically kills the seperists thus ending the war.

i think the word you are looking for is murder. He kills a bunch of unarmed goobers - the fact it 'offically ends the war' doesn't make it a heroic act.

We know he's an arse but that doesn't not make him a hero when his exploits offically saved the galaxy.

whats all this 'officially' business? The actions that end the puppet war are anything but heroic.

[Jetfire]

But most people regard him as a hero.

according to who?

Mostly due to his exploits as a Jedi. In episode 3 he is already done enough to be chosen with Obi Wan to save the chanchler,

that means he is a warrior, not a hero

he saves the leader of the galaxy, kills Dukoo

who is unarmed, against his own warrior code - i.e not heroic at all



i think the word you are looking for is murder. He kills a bunch of unarmed goobers - the fact it 'offically ends the war' doesn't make it a heroic act.



whats all this 'officially' business? The actions that end the puppet war are anything but heroic.

But from Obi Wan's perspective he is. He risked his live to save him in episode 2. Obi is unaware Dooku or the sepertists were unarmed in episode 3. So when Obi tells Like his father was a hero before he turned he believes it to be true. Whether he is a hero is anotehr story but it's clear that to Obi Wan he at least used to be.

[spiderfrommars]

Ah, I've thought of another bit I definitely liked - the scene with Palpatine and Anakin at the opera.

And Besty, thanks for reminding me - Yoda taking out the Imperial guards was sweet. As was his despatch of the troopers on Kashykk.

Anyway, is Palpatine stronger than Yoda or not?

Watched Episode IV today, and quite a lot doesn't tally up. Most jarring was a lot of guff Obi-wan was saying ("your uncle didn't hold your father's ideals, didn't want him to get involved" "your father wanted you to have this" "can't remember owning a droid before") etc. Of course you could say he's just being manipulative but still. Owen should still recognise Threepio though.

And Luke's lusting after his sister is more gross than ever...

Other things fall into place quite beautifully though. The mention of the old republic by Tarkin was tops for instance. Owen's concern for Luke.

Star Wars still rocks. However, in the old days people laughed more with it than at it.

[Jetfire]

Ah, I've thought of another bit I definitely liked - the scene with Palpatine and Anakin at the opera.

And Besty, thanks for reminding me - Yoda taking out the Imperial guards was sweet. As was his despatch of the troopers on Kashykk.

Anyway, is Palpatine stronger than Yoda or not?

Watched Episode IV today, and quite a lot doesn't tally up. Most jarring was a lot of guff Obi-wan was saying ("your uncle didn't hold your father's ideals, didn't want him to get involved" "your father wanted you to have this" "can't remember owning a droid before") etc. Of course you could say he's just being manipulative but still. Owen should still recognise Threepio though.
.

Well Obi Wan intended Luke to be a Jedi edventually. Obiously Ben decided as he was raising Luke and seeing what happened to Anakin Luke should never be one. Hardly lack on contunity?

Owen owned Threepio for a shortish while. Or rather his dad did. We don't know if Owen was actually on the farm for very long during that time as as was "Whooing" his wife.
Also as we see in ep 1 there are many droids with the exact same outer casing as C3PO and C3PO's actually was completly changed since Owen last saw him (Between ep 2 and 3) so it would be a fairure of continunity if he did reconise him.

[Shanti418]

So Best, until I see all of the Clone Wars episodes, would you say that the events therein put Anakin in a more heroic light, or does he still come off as a bastard twerp who gives Obi a truckload of backtalk?

[Obfleur]

I saw the movie yesterday - and I think it really works as an entertaining action movie.

But if you analyze it... yeah, it's pretty weak.

Hayden's acting is just plain awful - and Natalie Portman is 'ok', but not more.

I didn't get the feeling that Anakin was 'lost' to the dark side.
I got the feeling that he just chose the dark side.
And he doesn't feel like a hero. I mean, he's arrogant and nobody trusts him.
But maybe Obi-Wan, in the old trilogy, tells Luke that Anakin was a hero, because he wants Luke to have some sort of role modell or something?
I mean, it's a lot more inspiring to hear "Your father was the greatest Jedi ever - but the dark side got him" then to hear "Your father was an arrogant asshole dude. He turned to the dark side like Oprah would turn to a bucket of chicken wings".
Obi-Wan twisted the truth a little. Or something (yeah, I know that this is completley BS ).

The 'nooooooooo' scene was awful. It actually made me laugh.
It would've looked cooler if he had just stood there, in raging silence. As if he was drained of all his feelings = pure evil.

And yes; the dialouge sucked.

Positive things: I liked Ewan McGregors performance. Especially during the battle with Anakin.
The look on Yodas face when Obi-Wan is looking at the, errr, surveillance hologram, was just heartbreaking.
Only three seconds of Jar Jar.
The comic relief wasnt stupid.
I got the Star Wars-feeling (which I didnt feel at all during Episode I and II).

Overall a nice movie - but a lot of weak moments.

And can someone explain why Griveous coughed?

Obi-Wan's "Well hello there", when he drops down on Griveous, was genious. The way McGregor said it, and the look on his face was just great

Oh yeah, what's the story about Chewbacca?
He seemed to be a well respected wookie, a general of some sort.
Why does he become a friggin smuggler? Is the wookie planet blown up by the Empire or something?

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i think the wookies, along with a lot of other 'non human ' races were enslaved bythe empure.

Chewie was rescued by Han at some point.

i think its referenced in some of the novels.

Shanti - Clone Wars, for me, actually does a much better job of showing the Dark side getting a grip on Anakin, as events in the war brutalise him to some extent.

But in both the main cases he gets in one situation because he ignors Obi-Wan's orders and in the second cases he isn't honest with Obi-Wan about visions he has whilst on a mission, when Obi-wan is clearly reachijng out to him - so he remians the architect of his own downfall, despite the interventions of others. However, yeah, i think Anakin's most heroic act comes at the end of the second volume of the clone wars cartoon.

Jets the point that some peopl thought he was hero is not the issue what we the audience see that renders his path believable or not and we see too mch to the contrary. He is mainly jerk.

I agree with Ob that this is easily Euan's best performance as Obi-wan - i thought he was one of the highlights.

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Well Obi Wan intended Luke to be a Jedi edventually. Obiously Ben decided as he was raising Luke and seeing what happened to Anakin Luke should never be one. Hardly lack on contunity?

Well obviously. I mean its all so obvious isn't it? Obviously. I say yes there is a lack of continuity, mainly in Obi-Wan's dialogue.

Owen owned Threepio for a shortish while. Or rather his dad did. We don't know if Owen was actually on the farm for very long during that time as as was "Whooing" his wife.
Also as we see in ep 1 there are many droids with the exact same outer casing as C3PO and C3PO's actually was completly changed since Owen last saw him (Between ep 2 and 3) so it would be a fairure of continunity if he did reconise him.

This is what I 'assumed' also (even though Threepio introduces himself by his NAME). But its still tenious. You can see it as all one big grand plan if you like, I think its tenious.

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i think the best criticism of the new films i have read is from Simong Pegg in Empire, where he states that the use of 3P0 and R2 shrinks the whole Universe.

The same can be said of Chewie and Fett.

Its suposed to be this vast galactic republic and yet certain characters manage to be at the centre of al the key events. I'm almost suprised we didn't get a 'young han' cameo.