New Doctor Who. How was it for you?

[spiderfrommars]

Am I alone in liking the 2nd episode more than the first?

[Stormwolf]

Am I alone in liking the 2nd episode more than the first?

No, just go to outpost Gallifrey.


The destruction of Gallifrey was also revealed in a interview, and supposedly DOESN'T tie in with any books.


So, who wants to know who kicked the asses of the Timelords?

[Autobloke]

Am I alone in liking the 2nd episode more than the first?

Hell no! The second episode was waaay more enjoyable than the first. Even though it avoided addressing the regeneration stuff, the first ep was still mostly set-up - and that eats into story. The second episode had all the things I like: loads of effects (if a bit ropey), funny aliens, a bit of weirdness and a big finale (even if it did drag a bit near the end). Even Billie had some more interesting stuff to do (apart from the obligatory 'screaming damsel in distress') - she made me actually believe her reaction to all the aliens and the death of the Earth. I'd have probably been just as poignant (and without the girly screaming).
There's only one major bummer with the ep: after such a nice sci-fi laden story, anything else (except Darleks, Cybermen or a 'Two Doctors' show) will be kinda a letdown. Looking at the next episode, set in the past, it strikes me as a bit dull (as with all period-style stories). I just hope it has the 'hide behind the sofa' qualities of other Dr Who scary episodes.

Anyway, here's to future episodes. Or past ones - now which way does this lever need to go..? (pump-action Tardis? Brilliant!).

[Autobloke]

So, who wants to know who kicked the asses of the Timelords?

Didn't Shockwave do it?

[Stormwolf]

Here's a interview where the destruction of Gallifrey is revealed, you'll need real player to play it though

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks ... ackinTime#

Just go to 01:11:54 and he'll mention it all.

Here's the spoiler for those of you who can't be bothered to install real player:

The Daleks destroyed Gallifrey and the Doctor is the only survivor of that war. However, it is speculated (by fans) that the master will show up in the episode Boomtown

[spiderfrommars]

I'll see how long I can avoid the spoiler for, but I assume the Daleks (not Shockwave) did it. Thats about the limit of my imagination.

One thing I liked about the new ep was the way the Doctor let the 'Last Human' die. Good stuff.

The next one looks spooky.

[Guest]

Here's the spoiler for those of you who can't be bothered to install real player:

The Daleks destroyed Gallifrey and the Doctor is the only survivor of that war. However, it is speculated (by fans) that the master will show up in the episode Boomtown

That's basically what the audio play Deadfall says. Only it goes on to further it that it was the Doctor's own TARDIS that was the delivery vessel, due to some underhand mechanical duplicity.

Oh, and from what I've found, it seems that it was a fan-made production in the 1980s, so it probably isn't canon. Then again, with all the alternate timelines and even how we view Transformers, who's to say what's canon and what's not?

[Kaylee]

aha, i guessed t'was the daleks

tbh im still in shock though, he's the last timelord

[spiderfrommars]

I'll see how long I can avoid the spoiler for, but I assume the Daleks (not Shockwave) did it.

aha, i guessed t'was the daleks

Oh.

[Kaylee]

aww, im sorry I didn't think...

[spiderfrommars]

I'll get over it...

[Kaylee]

{hug} butterfingers

[Bouncelot]

Oh, and from what I've found, it seems that it was a fan-made production in the 1980s, so it probably isn't canon. Then again, with all the alternate timelines and even how we view Transformers, who's to say what's canon and what's not?

You're starting a Doctor Who canon debate? Do you know how evil those flamewars get?

Mind you, I've yet to find anyone who considers something that's so obviously slightly obscure fanfic to be Doctor Who canon. And I know some fans who take an "absolutely everything is canon" approach.

[Guest]

You're starting a Doctor Who canon debate?

To put it in its most simplistic terms - No.

I was just offering something that I was aware of that indicates a possible 'end of gallifrey' scenario that could precede the new series.

[Legion]

i think it's a shame they're ignoring the books, The Ancestor Cell's version of the destruction of Gallifrey was much more shocking IMHO...

(something of a controversial statement if you're aware of the flaming that happens in Who circles when that book is mentioned).

[spiderfrommars]

Is Dimensions In Time considered canon? I'm assuming (hoping?) that the answer is no.

[Denyer]

You're starting a Doctor Who canon debate? Do you know how evil those flamewars get?

I prefer more general arguments about the nature of canonicity.

It would be fairly simple to retcon; the Doctor believes his people and planet to have been destroyed, but he's had his mind and memories ****ed with so many times...

[Legion]

Is Dimensions In Time considered canon? I'm assuming (hoping?) that the answer is no.

by whom?

i think the official answer is "no" along with "Curse of Fatal Death"

[Autobloke]

Okay: you've all lost me now. I've watched probably about six hours of Dr Who in my entire life, and the only stuff I've ever read with him in was the Death's Head stuff in the Marvel comics.

I'll just be over here in the Transformers part of the forum. (Walks away glumly, cursing considerable lack of required Dr Who knowledge).

[Stormwolf]

and the only stuff I've ever read with him in was the Death's Head stuff in the Marvel comics.

That's one of the best stories


I've seen about 60 to 70% of all the Dr Who episodes dubbed in German when I was a kid.

[Guest]

I've seen about 60 to 70% of all the Dr Who episodes dubbed in German when I was a kid.

I'll bet it's not a patch on bill Bailey's Belgian Jazz interpretation.

[Bouncelot]

Is Dimensions In Time considered canon? I'm assuming (hoping?) that the answer is no.

by whom?

i think the official answer is "no" along with "Curse of Fatal Death"

There isn't an official answer to what's in and what's out of the Who canon. However, The vast vast majority of fans would not put them in the canon. I think there's a reference to Dimensions in Time in one of the books, where it's referred to as a nightmare he had. And, let's face it, that's where it belongs.

Oh, and (according to its author) the forthcoming novel The Gallifrey Chronicles by Lance Parkin will resolve any hanging plot threads from the novels (presumably including the destruction of Gallifrey) so it will be easy to see how the TV series could follow on from it.

[spiderfrommars]

Whats Curse of the Fatal Death?

[Stormwolf]

Whats Curse of the Fatal Death?

It's a parody episode, it features Rowan Atkinson as the doctor.

[Bouncelot]

Whats Curse of the Fatal Death?

It's the humerous Doctor Who story that they did for Comic relief back in 1999. It featured Rowan Atkinson, Richard E Grant, Jim Broadbent, Hugh Grant and Joanna Lumley playing the ninth through final Doctors.

Here's a synopsis

[spiderfrommars]

I'm with you.

Any recommendations for Dr Who review sites? (most of them concentrate on synopsis and trivia instead). I find the official BBC site episode guide very good.

[Jetfire]

http://www.gallifreyone.com/ - Great general website. Lots of info and a big community. First with most things and even their "Best story of all time" poll was shown on the "Pymarids of Mars" DVD in an extra. Anyways lots of lengthy reviews on this site for old and classic "Doctor Who". While I'm at it some other useful websites:

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sps/tv.html - An excellent website for the production information of earch serial.

http://www.highspeedplus.com/~dascott/intro.htm - Agreat webste for looking at Doctor Who events in our crononogical order.

http://www.shillpages.com/dw/dwia.htm - Large image archive for each Doctor and the companions ( I absolutly love this pic of Debbie Watling as Victoria http://www.shillpages.com/dw/watlid09.jpg )

http://www.doctorwho.ukhq.co.uk/index.h ... ner.html&0 - Nice fan site with reviews of each story


Hope those were useful. I've got more links if you ever want them

[Bouncelot]

http://www.gallifreyone.com/ - Great general website. Lots of info and a big community. First with most things and even their "Best story of all time" poll was shown on the "Pymarids of Mars" DVD in an extra. Anyways lots of lengthy reviews on this site for old and classic "Doctor Who". While I'm at it some other useful websites:

I'd recommend Outpost Gallifrey as well. Biggest Who community on the web, and lots of good features.

http://www.highspeedplus.com/~dascott/intro.htm - Agreat webste for looking at Doctor Who events in our crononogical order.

Personally I prefer the history at http://www.whoniverse.org/history/ but then I'm biased on the subject. Still, if you want to restrict yourself to the original TV series, then the site Jetfire mentions is the one you want.

Hope those were useful. I've got more links if you ever want them

If you want Doctor Who links, then you really want to take a look at http://www.doctorwhowebguide.net/ - which is the nearest you're ever gonna get to a comprehensive list of Doctor Who sites. It even flags up the best of the sites (though the selection process isn't entirely fair - my site deserves the webguide's gold award, dammit). Anyway, the webguide has an entire section devoted to sites containing reviews.

[spiderfrommars]

Cheers for the tips guys. I'll have a ganders when I get home (if I look now I won't get any work done).

I've been to Outpost Gallifrey tho. In fact I tried to register a while back but they weren't accepting any new members because they were getting so busy. And lurking in their forums isn't possible without registering. Shame. I like lurking.

[Stormwolf]

Cheers for the tips guys. I'll have a ganders when I get home (if I look now I won't get any work done).

I've been to Outpost Gallifrey tho. In fact I tried to register a while back but they weren't accepting any new members because they were getting so busy. And lurking in their forums isn't possible without registering. Shame. I like lurking.

You can't register during the weekend, there's too much activity on the boards then.