Best fancy dress costume evah...

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:51 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:Comparing a royal family member and possible future political player to a civilian kid in public school. Please.

Once again, you'll have to forgive my ignorance. I was unaware you belonged to that segment of humanity that thinks that members of the royal family and politicians are somehow different (better, perhaps?) than the rest of us mindless drones.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:57 pm

Sooo, you're basically saying officials or those to be of later official capasity shouldn't be held to a higher standard that for some reason isn't applied to teenagers (in this example) that do **** things like dress up as prominent murderous figures in our world history then wonder why people are mad at them?

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:07 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:Sooo, you're basically saying officials or those to be of later official capasity shouldn't be held to a higher standard that for some reason isn't applied to teenagers (in this example) that do **** things like dress up as prominent murderous figures in our world history then wonder why people are mad at them?

No, I don't believe that people that are born into a privilaged family should be hold to higher standards. I'm sure he doesn't wonder why people are mad at him. He KNOWS why people are mad at him, he dressed like a friggin' nazi, for christ' sake! I still don't see why it's news at all, let alone an international incident. If people weren't so bloody facinated with stalking the royal family, this would never have been an issue.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:43 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:...he dressed like a friggin' nazi, for christ' sake!

Ah, so the reasoning is understood.

I still don't see why it's news at all, let alone an international incident.

Public icons and their related family are subject to such. Nothing new there. Perhaps people need a break from the constant growing body count of the tsunami?

Post by **Denyer** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:48 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:You don't see the problem with an heir to a political throne not seeing the flawed logic, ******* indecency, and overall stupidity of wearing such a costume?

What are you gibbering about?

The area of history that interests me the most is the hundred years just past. I'd say I've probably studied it more than most in education, and have maintained a keen research interest post-college and post-uni. I've been to a variety of museums and monuments, and I have relatives who fought in the second world war. I've also been to Auschwitz and seen the smallest portion of the personal possessions stripped from hundreds of thousands of victims before they were rendered down for raw materials.

The kid went to a fancy-dress party. Ever watch Disney propaganda shorts with cartoon Nazis? The costumes aren't exactly rare in rental shops. If he'd gone as Jack the Ripper or one of Burke and Hare—complete with fake severed limbs and 'bloodied' cleaver, my reaction would be no different. It's a literary and entertainment archetype, distinct from the historical reality of murder.

My disgust is for the opportunistic bastards who hawked this across tabloids and created—not reported, created—an international incident.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:01 pm

Denyer wrote:What are you gibbering about?

A **** choice of outfit.

The area of history that interests me the most is the hundred years just past. I'd say I've probably studied it more than most in education, and have maintained a keen research interest post-college and post-uni. I've been to a variety of museums and monuments, and I have relatives who fought in the second world war. I've also been to Auschwitz and seen the smallest portion of the personal possessions stripped from hundreds of thousands of victims before they were rendered down for raw materials.

Interesting. What are you gibbering about?

Ever watch Disney propaganda shorts with cartoon Nazis? The costumes aren't exactly rare in rental shops.

No I haven't though I know of them by 'word of mouth' (provided you can call it that via text on the internet). And that aside, we're not exactly talking Peter Pan or the Little Mermaid are we?

If he'd gone as Jack the Ripper or one of Burke and Hare—complete with fake severed limbs and 'bloodied' cleaver, my reaction would be no different. It's a literary and entertainment archetype, distinct from the historical reality of murder.

Let's see; Dress as a Nazi/Issue and insult with/to the Jewish community/Veterans/World population that doesn't agree with mass murder in regards to a former attempt at Genocide and a World War. Dress like Jack the Ripper/Pending incident with, what, the prominent prostitute community? Eh? Personally I don't see why one would think it's a neat idea or clever to dress as a murderer period.

My disgust is for the opportunistic bastards who hawked this across tabloids and created—not reported, created—an international incident.

In many news items I'd agree. Just not this one.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:38 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:Perhaps he should have gone as a tsunami-flood victim. Oh wait, that would have been a **** thing to do as well.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:16 am

Professor Smooth wrote:
Guess I should say that I personally do not support the nazis or condone the actions they took during the haulocaust, since that might be in debate right now.

Noone is suggesting that man

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:18 am

Denyer wrote: My disgust is for the opportunistic bastards who hawked this across tabloids and created—not reported, created—an international incident.

Completely. I mean, a headline that reads 'Harry The Nazi'? What a ****** thing to do.

I know its stating the bleeding obvious, but this is all just media, media, media.

I think he's an idiot for wearing it (and everyone around him are idiots for pretty much going along with it) but the rest is bollocks. The cries of "send him to see Auschwitz!" and "televised apology!" are just examples of people wanting blood from the kid.

Even on the news (well, GMTV) this morning holocaust survivors were saying give the boy a break. By the way, its programmes like that endlessly reporting this non-story that are full of **** too.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:34 am

spiderfrommars wrote:
Denyer wrote: My disgust is for the opportunistic bastards who hawked this across tabloids and created—not reported, created—an international incident.
Completely. I mean, a headline that reads 'Harry The Nazi'? What a ****** thing to do.

I know its stating the bleeding obvious, but this is all just media, media, media.

I think he's an idiot for wearing it (and everyone around him are idiots for pretty much going along with it) but the rest is bollocks. The cries of "send him to see Auschwitz!" and "televised apology!" are just examples of people wanting blood from the kid.

Even on the news (well, GMTV) this morning holocaust survivors were saying give the boy a break. By the way, its programmes like that endlessly reporting this non-story that are full of **** too.

Well put.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:57 am

I agree that it is all media hype. I do expect a little more from ANYONE who has recieved at least an 8th grade education in world history though, not just royalty or celebrities.

I may make some tasteless jokes, but I would expect someone to beat the holy hell out of me for something like that

wideload · Post by **wideload** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:59 am

It wasnt just jews that were killed by hitler. Among many other people, there were a lot of military men too. If, like you say, he shouldnt be treated any different cause he is roayalty, maybe he shouldn't get special treatment in the military either. If hes not mature enough to understand how that might be interpreted as badly as it was, maybe hes not mature enough to serve in the military as an officer either.

Post by **Denyer** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:33 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:Interesting. What are you gibbering about?

Well, specifically, I'm telling you to come back once you've dissolved the superglue on your saddle.

that aside, we're not exactly talking Peter Pan or the Little Mermaid are we?

Go and watch a few. Many were played for entertainment value, just as Nazi stereotypes have been played for laughs on British TV in shows such as "Dad's Army".

Señior's Covenant wrote:Let's see; Dress as a Nazi/Issue and insult with/to the Jewish community

Bullsh*t. The costumes of Nazism aren't the preserve of any single group to take umbrage at, any more than America or the UK are issuing personal insults to the world by maintaining mass-murderers who endorse torture as elected leaders. Er, wait...

A costume doesn't represent an endorsement of a political ideology, or even a lack of knowledge about the history in question. The kid picked up an off-the-shelf fancy dress outfit.

Care to take a personal stand against cowboy and indian costumes whilst you're up there? See many Brits up in arms at the tradition of English villains in Hollywood?

Señior's Covenant wrote:Personally I don't see why one would think it's a neat idea or clever to dress as a murderer period.

You may want to invest in a sense of humour—or possibly a psychology course, given the huge popular interest in films such as Silence Of The Lambs—as it's a pretty good survival tool when studying the desire of political movements to commit global genocide.

In many news items I'd agree.

And the difference is?

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:16 pm

I'm with Smooth and company on this one.

I really dont see what all the fuss is about.
Oh well, everybody's allreday said what I'm thinking.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:52 pm

He dressed up at a costume party, so what?

Does anyone acctually think he believes in nazi-ideology because of that? Nope.

Hmm..odd.

All of a sudden I seem to be agreeing with almost everything that Denyer says. I must be malfunctioning...again.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:21 pm

I too am with Smooth.

It's a fricking costume. He should have known better than to wear a Nazi uniform considering he's a member of the royal family, but that's stupidity and ignorance, not mocking or admiration for facism or genocide.

And didn't Charles recently tell him that he has to go to Auschwitz, even though William originally declined the invite? Dare I say it, but that's a bit of good parenting on Charles's part.

And when he goes, it's not going to be about him going, "Oh, there WAS a Holocaust! I guess my costume wasn't funny!", it's going to be, "I understand the graveness of the issue mixed with my position in society means that in exchange for my life of privledge, riches, and fame, I can't wear Nazi costumes."

Nebbie · Post by **Nebbie** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:39 pm

Shanti418 wrote: And when he goes, it's not going to be about him going, "Oh, there WAS a Holocaust! I guess my costume wasn't funny!", it's going to be, "I understand the graveness of the issue mixed with my position in society means that in exchange for my life of privledge, riches, and fame, I can't wear Nazi costumes."

I'd hope so, but then I don't expect much from celebrities on things like that

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:55 pm

Don't see why the media shouldn't have a crack at him over it.

It essentially amounts to entertainment at his expense, and considering the opulent luxury, top-rate private education, numerous holidays, gourmet food and guaranteed high-rank in the Armed Forces he has/will enjoy I don't see why the tax payers who fund it all from start to finish shouldn't get their hunk of meat out of it.

{despises the Monarchy and the Media}

Dead Head · Post by **Dead Head** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:07 am

1. Adoft Hitler's National Socialist German Worker's Party policy of eradication Jews from Germany was, still is, and shall remain a repugnant thing.

2. Tabloid newspapers don't care much or at all about said policy. This kerfuffle over Prince Harry of Wales' costume is just 'good print' for them.

3. There is a separation of symbol usage as dress-up costume and symbol usage as genuine ideology.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:57 pm

Optimus Prime Rib wrote:Noone is suggesting that man

I know I sure as heck wasn't.

wideload wrote:If hes not mature enough to understand how that might be interpreted as badly as it was, maybe hes not mature enough to serve in the military as an officer either.

Amen.

Denyer wrote:
Señior's Covenant wrote:Interesting. What are you gibbering about?
Well, specifically, I'm telling you to come back once you've dissolved the superglue on your saddle.

Sorry Denyer, your quote is lost to me. You just kind of tossed in an area of study you were interested in and a visit to a site involved. I don't see the relevance.

that aside, we're not exactly talking Peter Pan or the Little Mermaid are we?
Go and watch a few. Many were played for entertainment value, just as Nazi stereotypes have been played for laughs on British TV in shows such as "Dad's Army".

Funny, I didn't realize "Fancy Dress-up Party" was the new label of television comedy shows.

Señior's Covenant wrote:Let's see; Dress as a Nazi/Issue and insult with/to the Jewish community
Bullsh*t.

Bullsh*t.

A costume doesn't represent an endorsement of a political ideology, or even a lack of knowledge about the history in question. The kid picked up an off-the-shelf fancy dress outfit.

And again, it was a **** choice.

Care to take a personal stand against cowboy and indian costumes whilst you're up there? See many Brits up in arms at the tradition of English villains in Hollywood?

I don't see a problem with a cowboy costume itself... ...other than the folks that still dress as such everyday and listen to country music. I do find dressing up as the age old "cowboys & indians" to be distasteful, yes.

Señior's Covenant wrote:Personally I don't see why one would think it's a neat idea or clever to dress as a murderer period.
You may want to invest in a sense of humour—or possibly a psychology course, given the huge popular interest in films such as Silence Of The Lambs—as it's a pretty good survival tool when studying the desire of political movements to commit global genocide.

Oh, my mistake Denyer. I didn't realize he was dressing up as a Nazi [composite word including 'f*ck'] to perform locally at the theater. No wait, he didn't. Clearly then it was for a new movie where he plays the roll... ...no, that's not it either. Hmph. Well, at least it's obvious I have no sense of humor (per you) seeing as I find the family member of a political party dressing up as a historically murderous ***** because, um, this was a rendition of something being taped to hit the box office later and become a chart-topper in it's ratings to be a rather idiotic move. Damn, that's not right either. Oh well, forgive me regardless as surely you must be correct. You're Denyer.

******* please.

In many news items I'd agree.
And the difference is?

HEADLINE: "Martha Stewart found high on cocaine!"
Picture of Martha caught off guard. Doctored to make her skin look sickly, and her eyes red. Complete ********.

HEADLINE: "The President meets with aliens to plan future invasions!"
Picture of Bush Jr. standing with a guy in an alien costume. 'Alien' clearly photo-shopped in. Utter ********.

HEADLINE: "Harry the Nazi!"
The only ******** item is the claim he's a Nazi. He's still an ass for the costume. He dressed up as a ******* Nazi because he thought it would be a good idea. Are you dense?

Shanti418 wrote:He should have known better than to wear a Nazi uniform considering he's a member of the royal family, but that's stupidity and ignorance...

Very, very true.

Post by **Denyer** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:44 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:the family member of a political party

Now you're definitely gibbing out... do you know anything about the UK?

I think you're getting confused with Euan Blair.

Señior's Covenant wrote:forgive me regardless as surely you must be correct. You're Denyer.

Ahh, to sig-quote or not to sig-quote...

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:57 pm

Maybe we should forbid people to dress up as vikings as well.
You know, they killed alot of people (christians, for example).

And while we're at it; lets forbid everyone to dress up as knights as well. I'm sure they were behind alot of killings.

Etc.

Emperor_Starscream · Post by **Emperor_Starscream** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:08 am

i dont understand why to much problems abot harry costume...i mean, ok he dress like the nazis but he can be the prince but hes also a dumb boy that is joking whit his dumb friends.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:58 am

Denyer wrote:
Señior's Covenant wrote:the family member of a political party
Now you're definitely gibbing out... do you know anything about the UK?

Indeed. It was a mis-wording given that I had my five month old son in my arms talking to me at the time. Perhaps, "part of a political family," might have been a better choice of words.

Señior's Covenant wrote:forgive me regardless as surely you must be correct. You're Denyer.
Ahh, to sig-quote or not to sig-quote...

Hey, should you feel the need to take a sarcastic remark and misquote it as a compliment, by all means.

Dylan · Post by **Dylan** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:56 am

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Post by **Best First** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:59 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:I don't see a problem with a cowboy costume itself...

But the cowboy costume can reasonably taken as a signifier of the collossal genocide of the native americans, as well as be considered as symbolic for the American psychology of simplistically dividing the world into good and evil, for and against and then solving subsequent disputes through confrontation and ultimatly violence, a philosophy that has wreaked havoc and swon division and discord around the globe for the last century at the very least and in many peoples eyes continues to do so.

or its just a costume.

In teh grand scheme of things i am far more concerned about the spectaculrly skewed focus of our media, politceans and asorted other social commentators than the fact that Prince Harry (a future polictical player?

) is clearly a bit of a tit.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:48 pm

Best First wrote: Prince Harry (a future polictical player? )

Man, that would make Dubya seem like Clinton! (Take that for what you will)