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Post by Best First » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:22 am

Optimus Prime Rib wrote:I really find it shocking and distasteful that my opinions and personal beliefs classify me as an 'idiot'.
mmm, we should clearly make the distinction on dress sense and cd collection. Hilfiger and Cliff Richard are the key determinators (if thats evena word...).

However i agree - politics has been reduced, in many areas to a facile non debate. Hands up who thinks politicans have an issue with this.

Still, from my perspective US foreign policy has been contemptuous to the rest of the world for the last 50 years anyway, regardless of the party...

Good to see prejudice, fear and elitism are still the best ticket to power in the Land of the Free*. sigh.

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:50 am

Well at least Hilary Clinton can get in now...
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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:56 am

hold on BBC has Kerry 2 points behind? 254-252 ?
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Post by Nebbie » Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:15 am

It ain't over yet. Ohio has yet to be determined.

Besides you have to have 270 electoral votes, and Shrub only has 269. I continue to hope.
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Post by Bouncelot » Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:20 am

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Computron wrote:As an American, I'd like to apologize to the rest of the world. I am sorry that the majority of people in this county are complete idiots who cannot understand what Bush's actions have done to America and the world. I tried hard to get people to vote. Many people who weren't going to vote went (and voted for Kerry) because efforts of people like myself. Nonetheless, we were unable to push back the bounds of ignorance.

I deeply regret this shortcoming, and sincerely fear what lies ahead.


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Boo-Fing-Hoo. Since everyone who votes republicans MUST be an idiot, and everyone who is right wing MUST be ignorant, and anyone who doesnt conform to YOUR worldview MUST be stupid....
Arnt democrats supposed to be the party of tolerance for others beliefs? Hrm?
Actually, the polls show that the majority of Republican voters ARE ignorant over issues like what the world thinks about Bush, whether there were WMDs in Iraq, whether experts think there were WMDs in Iraq, whether there were links between Saddam and Al Quaeda, etc.

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Post by Leatherneck » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:33 pm

Nebbie wrote:It ain't over yet. Ohio has yet to be determined.

Besides you have to have 270 electoral votes, and Shrub only has 269. I continue to hope.
Even if Kerry pulls every single other one, it's a 269-269 tie, and Bush wins in the house. There's no way Kerry could be taking up residence on Penn. Ave.

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Post by Professor Smooth » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:10 pm

I have this to say:

After last night, the people of this country deserve what they get.

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Post by Señior's Covenant » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:54 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:I have this to say:

After last night, the people of this country deserve what they get.
I agree 100% with that statement.

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Post by Optimus Prime Rib » Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:45 pm

Ive tried to keep quiet for most of this election. I am still not going to get into a large argument. Im just going to say a few things and hopefully everyone can respect my opinions.

This election was very hard for me to decide on.

I hated Clinton. Voted for Perot. I lived in Arkansas during Slick Willies reign and saw first hand what that era of the Democratic party was all about. Lip service. We go to the rest of the world and say 'Look here, were youre buddies! Were such nice people and dont want to upset anyone." And while its all pats on the back and smiles, Little Rock became the biggest cesspool on the planet. Kids start killing one another in multiple schools because were so damn scared of hurting peoples feelings that we ignore the fact that we are living in increasingly dangerous times.

Then came election 00'. Al Gore huh? Al 'Ive sat my android ass in the White House and let everything go completely to crap because I want to wear the big boy pants and the Dem Party wont let me if I speak up' Gore. Nope, sorry... F*** you and youre cowardice. Jobs went up. World 'happy happy' went up. And that is indeed great. Dead kids, not great. If he had stood up for something whilst being VP I probably would have voted for him.

Who did I really want though? McCain. I dont know what it is about him, hes like a freaking superhero to me. I can not think of one policy that he stood for that I dissagreed with. Morally and politcally I just KNEW that he would make the ideal president. BUT thats not how things worked out.

Why? Because Bush ran on his families name. Lets be honest.

So now Ive got this silly little man who has some extremist ideas (not as bad as Pat Buchanon.. good lord that man scares me), but kind of super conservative to say the least. Great.. And on the other side Ive got a guy who forced a smile onto his face for the first time in 8 years because he heard that 'smiling is COOOOOOL'. Oh yeah and Ralph 'the only reason Im here is because I get the pothead vote' Nader... MOVING ON

Honestly I didnt vote in 00'. After McCain was cut out I didnt give a rats ass about any candidate. I had the 'America deserves what it gets' attitude. Then the mess in Florida happened. Dems call Reps cheaters, country gets divided, Michael Moore gets to throw some money at the problem to make himself look cool, and 2nd grade students prove that the ballot wasnt hard to figure out. After the 3rd 'do over' I decided 'yup.. f*** Gore.'

Now we have ELECTION 04 'the most important election of our lifetime' And who decided that? Someone in thier mid to late 40's? Didnt QUITE get to Vietnam and definitely not old enough for any other major war, thats who.

I firmly agreed with Kerry on many issues. I firmly agreed with Bush on many issues. I think stem cell research is a great idea. I think banning gay marraige is a horrible idea. After witnessing terror events first hand more than once in my life, yes I feel that the Iraqi government did need to be overthrown and let the people take thier lives back. If everyone would just play nice we would leave them alone. Say what you want, its true. 'This isnt a popular war'. And? Since when did war become popular? 'Noone wants to be over there' Why? Because its a conflict zone? Because our men and women are getting hurt and killed? Its a war people. Every single one of those men and women from the US that are getting hurt and killed signed up of thier own free will. The ones you see on TV that are saying 'we hate it here. we didnt sign up for this' Those are the ones that have forgotten that the way we live is a priveledge. You fully knew when you signed that paper that there was a chance that this could happen. Especially those college kids who were in high school when 911 happened. No such thing as a free lunch my friends. I regret almost daily not joining the Navy and doing at least SOMETHING to make this world a better place.

You know what really made me vote Bush? Hearing Kerry and his supporters become petty, argumentative, damn near abusive people. When my best friend tells me that Im a stupid ass because I support Bush in any way, that hurt alot. And yesterday when I was walking into my polling place, still not 100% sure, I was accosted by a mob of Kerry supporters.. Yup that did it.. Cant be civil?Cant respect my privacy? Cant have my vote. Simple as that.

Now then we have an election in 4 years.. And unless God him/her/itself runs, Im voting for McCain.. That is unless hes had a frontal lobatomy and suddenly goes all whacko. I hope everyone can at least respect my opinion. I try very hard to respect yours. Thank you.
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Post by Denyer » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:46 pm

Great attitude... who cares about the country if you're personally offended?

No matter how much any other party pisses me off, I'm never voting BNP.

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Post by Redstreak » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:55 pm

That story makes no sense...from what you kept saying, you were always going to vote Bush, OPR...
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Post by Ultimate Weapon » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:57 pm

Denyer wrote:Great attitude... who cares about the country if you're personally offended?
Most people equate political activism with throwing stones over a fence.

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Post by Pretender Bumblebee » Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:05 am

This is a very sad day for America and the world and that's all I got to say..

actualy no its not all I have to say. I have a lot to say and I think I will.

I'm so glad to see that the north and western parts of the United States are still sane and not taken in by religious and moral nonsense by an idiot who thinks he knows everything! Ok there are more important things then what religious beliefs a person has when you go to vote. I guess someone forgot to send that memo to those in the southern parts of our country. The world is a very scary place right now, we have no support from the rest of the world, we have a guy using Iraq as a war on terrorist actions and weapons of mass destruction and can give no vital proof of any such things .. BUT... BUT.. hes a good christian .. well there you go.. thats a great reason to vote for someone. Yes I feel so much safer now in NY knowing I have a good christian looking out for me. Thats a lot better then someone who wanted to unite the world again and try and fix this mess and who actualy understands some of the people who aren't just religious minded.

Forget stem cell research .. thats out now .. as God wouldn' t like that. Oh and gay marriages.. sorry gay guys.. you aren't human to bush as the bible says so. Draft time my young friends.. get ready to die in a meaningless war. But hey hes a good christian so thats all that matters.

I as an American want to appologize to the rest of the world for our arrogance, and egotistical values that led to this very disapointing decision by the southern and less populated parts of our country who think that gun control and abortion matters more then our big cities and Bin Laden and getting united with the world.

This is a very sad day for America and for the world and its very sad that it has come to this now.It s going to be a very rough 4 years ahead and well one that I don't really care to think of now. We are going to have more conservative values, less rights and the rich getting richer. More people dying meaninglessly and no help from the rest of the world.

Thanks America.. hes a good christian.. you got what you wanted. I dont' want to hear any complains about drafts, economy, censorship, job loss.. you wanted him you got him. The north and west voted Kerry.. they can complain all they want. You want only far right conservative republicans in this country.. well good luck as this is going to be a very messy and interesting four years with this bunch running it.

Hillary in 2008!

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Post by spiderfrommars » Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:12 am

Optimus Prime Rib wrote: After witnessing terror events first hand more than once in my life, yes I feel that the Iraqi government did need to be overthrown.
But where is the connection between the two? :(

If you want people to respect your opinions don't they need to have some basis in fact?
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Post by Optimus Prime Rib » Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:35 am

I can believe what I want and only present my side of an issue. Or do I have to be a rich moviemaker to have that opinion? Anyway. Sorry if my last post didnt make much sense. I have a terrible headcold and cant think straight.
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Post by Leatherneck » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:35 am

Pretender Bumblebee wrote: Hillary in 2008!

That, I would love to see. The Republicans could run the corpse of Richard Nixon against her and win. Even many of yesterday's Kerry voters would steer clear of her; she's about as far left as they come.. and look where it got Dean.

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Post by Denyer » Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:02 am

Optimus Prime Rib wrote:I can believe what I want and only present my side of an issue.
Depends on the extent to which you want people to listen, really. It's usually a good idea to acknowledge other points of view even if you're just ticking through them with specific objections.

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Post by Powermaster Optimus Prime » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:06 am

Did anyone see the Daily Show tonight? I thought Jon Stewart was going to cry.
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Post by Shanti418 » Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:18 am

I just finished watching the Daily Show, and I didn't think anywhere on there was here near to crying. He got much closer on the first post 9/11 show. I found the Daily Show tonight to be quite cathardic. One thing liberals DO have over conservatives is their ability to be self-deprecating, and appreciate the humor in the situation.

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Post by Powermaster Optimus Prime » Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:21 am

Shanti418 wrote:I just finished watching the Daily Show, and I didn't think anywhere on there was here near to crying. He got much closer on the first post 9/11 show. I found the Daily Show tonight to be quite cathardic. One thing liberals DO have over conservatives is their ability to be self-deprecating, and appreciate the humor in the situation.
Well yes, I suppose I didnt mean he was actually going to cry. I just meant to convey his obvious disappointment and sadness.

However, last night when the initial exit polls were released, I thought Brit Hume was about to :p
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Post by Obfleur » Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:35 am

How many percent of the people that are allowed to vote, actually voted?
I heard that this would be "The biggest election ever in USA, with the most participants" and than I heard that only 60% of the voters went to place their vote?
Is 60% a high vote-figure in USA?
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Post by Optimus Prime Rib » Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:14 am

Unfortunately, yes. People can bitch and moan all they want, but if youre not going to get off your butt and do something, please dont whine. Those of you that DID vote. Thank you.
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Post by Obfleur » Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:55 am

60% is a very small figure.
Incredible.
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Post by Best First » Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:57 am

its worse in the UK - last time voter turnout was sometyhing like 40% i think.
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Post by Obfleur » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:09 am

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Post by Brendocon » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:12 am

Presuming I didn't misread yesterday, didn't Bush only get about 51% of the popular vote? OK, so technically he won, but it's hardly a landslide.

Just over half of 60% means that about 70% of the electorate didn't vote for him, and about 30% of the electorate voted for somebody else.

Surely no politician can look at that and honestly believe that the populace supports them... can they?
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Post by Leatherneck » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:18 pm

Brendocon wrote:Presuming I didn't misread yesterday, didn't Bush only get about 51% of the popular vote? OK, so technically he won, but it's hardly a landslide.

Just over half of 60% means that about 70% of the electorate didn't vote for him, and about 30% of the electorate voted for somebody else.

Surely no politician can look at that and honestly believe that the populace supports them... can they?
You'd be suprised how big 51% is-- it's been 16 years since a President [his daddy, ironically] won with a true minority. Since then, every win has come with less than 50% of the vote; our 'third parties' generally get 1-2% of the vote.

While only 60% did vote, that is quite large. Locally, voter turnout is often under 30%. People just don't care. I'd be scared to see what would happen with 100% voter turnout... there's a lot of stupid people in this world. Generally, it seems like the politically educated people come out and those who haven't bothered to look into the candidates.. don't.

I believe Bush feels the Populace supports him. He won based on who came out; it's not like the other 40% of the country would've voted Kerry and he had them locked in the basement.

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:20 pm

Best First wrote:its worse in the UK - last time voter turnout was sometyhing like 40% i think.
Seems alot off ppl might feel like me.

Of course my right to vote was taken away when the National Raving loony party went under... :( boo!
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Post by bobaprime85 » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:34 pm

Brendocon wrote:Presuming I didn't misread yesterday, didn't Bush only get about 51% of the popular vote? OK, so technically he won, but it's hardly a landslide.

Just over half of 60% means that about 70% of the electorate didn't vote for him, and about 30% of the electorate voted for somebody else.

Surely no politician can look at that and honestly believe that the populace supports them... can they?
This is the guy who said "I believe God wants me to be President." So, basically, yes.

We're now witnessing one of the lowest points in American history.

EDIT: I need to get this off my chest.

Socrates, the greatest philosopher of all time, said that democracy simply cannot work because the public at large just will not take enough of a vested interest to critically investigate just what they are looking at and the ramifications it holds for them. November 2nd came very close to proving him completely right. The US showed itself to be one of the most gullible and naive nations ever in their willingness to re-elect a man who has repeatedly lied to them and killed innocent people in the name of these lies. There were NO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Numerous news sources have reported this as fact. The UN reported it as fact. Even top Generals have. Because it is. There wasn't even a connection between Hussein and 9-11. So what happens when the President lies to the American people to make them go to war? Is he hauled in front of Congress for an impeachment trial? Hell no, he gets reelected by the largest margin a republican has enjoyed in a long while.

The ability of the American people to be taken in by this honey-lined piece of garbage continually shocks me. Are people really so inundated by the 'pleasures' of their life that they can't tell when a lie of this magnitude is being told? And to make it worse, this travesty is sugar-coated with the rediculous rhetoric about making Iraq safe for 'freedom'. Good lord, if we plan on bringing 'freedom' to the world, every man and woman of military age had better be drafted damn fast because we are going to be busy with Iran, North Korea, China, Pakistan, and numerous others. And we don't even have the support of the friggin' UN! Of course, a 'war without end' may be ust the thing the administration wants, given that both Cheney and Rumsfeld have talked about a 'new normalcy' which could last at least 'as long as the Cold War' or even longer. I don't know about the rest of you. but a war without end is not something I think we need at the present moment.

I won't even talk about the depressing fact that only 17% of the glorified youth vote managed to show up. It makes me want to harm someone.

In short, this is one of the biggest regressive acts this country has ever faced. We're going backwards, not forwards! I have heard some fellow liberals ask for Clinton to assure us that the Democratic party will rise again. I say- screw that! I want FDR to come on the radio and tell me there is nothing to fear but fear itself, because right now I'm damn near terrified.

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Post by snarl » Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:02 pm

[predabot]So, was it a good thing that Bush won then?[/predabot]
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