Look It's Prime, No It's Jetfire... No It's a.. jet w/hands?

Gekigengar · Post by **Gekigengar** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:50 pm

Found this online....

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:30 am

Huh. Now there's a repaint/repackage that fans might have actually bought...

maximized · Post by **maximized** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:09 am

IIIIIIIIIIInteresting...

Is this a knockoff?

If so, that's some of the better packaging I've seen.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:32 am

Looks quite interesting. It looks exactly like a shrunken Jetfire. But for that figure to be in that packaging blows my mind. What's the VF on his feet stand for, I wonder.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:38 am

victory force?

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:41 am

Veritech fighter I'd assume. What I can't assume is that I spelled that correctly.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:08 am

But what kind of Veritech fighter? Where did they get it from? How old is it? And what is it doin in that package?

My Jetfire is taller than my Tracks.

Gekigengar · Post by **Gekigengar** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:12 am

VF means Valkyrie Fighter from the original Macross series

... in Robocrap

... I mean, Robotech

*ahem* means Veritich Fighter.

All pictures are from Valkyrie-Exchange.

Original Jetfire Image:

Original Takatoku 1/55 or Bandai 1/55 for Jetfire:
Takatoku Super Valkyrie:

Bandai Strike Valkyrie 1/55:

Bandai Re-Issue 1/55 w/out Super Armor, it also comes packaged w/one for a wee bit more.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:21 pm

So is pic 3 or 4 smaller than the first two?

Because like I was saying, Jetfire and the VF mold he came from SHOULD be taller than Tracks, while the one in the pic is shorter by a thread.

I don't remember there being a person in Robotech named Ray Focker (pic 4), but that's pretty funny.

Gekigengar · Post by **Gekigengar** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:20 pm

The Armada variant seems to be smaller, I don't have the Optimus Prime/Jetfire toy in general to compare with... I just found the image.

However the original Jetfire and the Macross Valks from Takatoku and Bandai as well as the reissues are indeed taller than TF alternators.... I have yet to obtain Alt. Tracks to compare my 1/55 Takatoy and Bandai Re-issue with..

Roy Focker is the original name of the character for Macross (just insert your name jokes, and you will see why it was changed).
Roy Fokker is the changed name for Robotech.

As far as pictures 1, 2, 3 and 4 are concerned, the toys are indeed same size in terms of physically looking and touching it, the images are just shrunk for web purposes only.

Click here for the difference between Macross and Robotech: link

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:48 pm

Fokker -

This is originally the name of a WW1-era German aircraft engineer.

Just in case you wanted to know.

-J

Pretender Bumblebee · Post by **Pretender Bumblebee** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:59 am

Thats actualy kinda cool. I wouldn't have named it Optimus Prime but besides that its a cool little figure.

Gekigengar · Post by **Gekigengar** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:56 am

Pretender Bumblebee wrote:Thats actualy kinda cool. I wouldn't have named it Optimus Prime but besides that its a cool little figure.

Actually there is a whole controversy about the Valkyrie toy look spanning between several different companies.... involving BigWest, Takatoku, Bandai (co. that sold to Takara the Super VF1S mold for the Jetfire toy), and Takara.

Thanks to Harmony Gold, any transforming jet similar or in essence that of the Veritech would constitute copyright infringement to that of the Robotech Veritech would recieve a lawsuit... thus no reproduction of the Valkyrie for Jetfire thru Takare/Hasbro... long story short, Harmony Gold, claims to have all rights to Macross... which is still quite debatable.

I assumed they needed a name that would not have been synonimous to that of Jetfire/Skyfire, so they can dance around the legal issues. Also, there was a small scale 1/100 Valk... and it was smaller than that of an Alternator.

images from Macrossworld.com
left 1/55 (toy mold used for Jetfire), right 1/100 (probable toy mold for the Armada toy)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:05 pm

Gekigengar wrote:Found this online....

If someone sold me that, I'd demand my money back!

"Where's MY Sparkplug Mini-Con, then. Eh?"

Obviously whoever decided on the packaging, simply took an Armada Prime's box and stuffed the Valk into it, thinking noone would notice, just didn't care, was ignorant of what he/she was doing, or wondered if anyone would pick up on it.

meiklejohn86 · Post by **meiklejohn86** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:07 pm

Looks like a knockoff of the little Banpresto Japan valkyries, which I think are actually called Super Valkyries... Of course, it is in strange Armada style packaging

Gekigengar · Post by **Gekigengar** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:36 pm

actually, it would have been packaged with the super, strike or fast pack parts if it was to be a super, strike or fast valkyrie.

this somewhat looks close enough to be a Joons Knockoff or one of the robot defender series... the GS-11 knockoff valks.

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