Regeneration #100 - The End
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Firstly I know we have a preview thread but I wouldn't mind if we had this thread for prosperity.
Regeneration #100 - The End
Amazing, could I have wanted for more?
When I look back over transformers, i.e. my lifetime of comics, I sit here with a genuine lump in my throat as the pages play out in front of me, especially the death of Optimus Prime.
It could only ever end this way, No?
Simon has done an amazing job of turning hot rod into a Prime, a leader, a warrior, a noble, a politician and worthy successor to Optimus. And that takes some doing.
When i first read Hot rod at the start of this arc, as always he was a damp squid, even drawn to look non threatening, a bit useless really. little did i realize he was to be fleshed out and brought into play so well.
I have never been a fan of Roddy, but now I am!
The final showdown between Magnus Galvatron is interesting, if a bit fast for my liking but i suppose he had played his part long ago, Megatron is dead and his character died with him.
I did enjoy the way Magnus orders a fireing squad to blow him apart, and then crushes his head. It was a bit fast but ultimately it was a no nonsense approach, it had a finality to it that made sense.
Fort Max gos down in one shot? thats a bit strange but otherwise it was an issue which had my favorite artists and pencils, and Simon from all generations culminating in something I will treasure forever.
What more could I want, apart from more of it?
So thank you to all involved for all of the transformers arcs, US and UK. its been a long but amazing journey.
Its been part of my life and part of this forum since I can remember.
Cheers!
Now, do you think anyone will mind if I frame that picture of OP death?
Firstly I know we have a preview thread but I wouldn't mind if we had this thread for prosperity.
Regeneration #100 - The End
Amazing, could I have wanted for more?
When I look back over transformers, i.e. my lifetime of comics, I sit here with a genuine lump in my throat as the pages play out in front of me, especially the death of Optimus Prime.
It could only ever end this way, No?
Simon has done an amazing job of turning hot rod into a Prime, a leader, a warrior, a noble, a politician and worthy successor to Optimus. And that takes some doing.
When i first read Hot rod at the start of this arc, as always he was a damp squid, even drawn to look non threatening, a bit useless really. little did i realize he was to be fleshed out and brought into play so well.
I have never been a fan of Roddy, but now I am!
The final showdown between Magnus Galvatron is interesting, if a bit fast for my liking but i suppose he had played his part long ago, Megatron is dead and his character died with him.
I did enjoy the way Magnus orders a fireing squad to blow him apart, and then crushes his head. It was a bit fast but ultimately it was a no nonsense approach, it had a finality to it that made sense.
Fort Max gos down in one shot? thats a bit strange but otherwise it was an issue which had my favorite artists and pencils, and Simon from all generations culminating in something I will treasure forever.
What more could I want, apart from more of it?
So thank you to all involved for all of the transformers arcs, US and UK. its been a long but amazing journey.
Its been part of my life and part of this forum since I can remember.
Cheers!
Now, do you think anyone will mind if I frame that picture of OP death?
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Re: Regeneration #100 - The End
I'm just going to copy/paste my response from the preview thread here.
Just read it and I gotta say, I loved it.
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Ok, hands down favorite moment, Ultra Magnus and Galvatron. Holy crap, I want all those pages as huge posters, especially UM standing over a crushed Galvy.
Though to be fair, the Rodimus Prime Reinforcements were also fantastic.
Guidi's art was just epic. I mean utterly epic. Senior does a bit better job of portraying momentum and action, but Guidi was just unstoppable. Loved it.
Plotwise I actually felt it held up and didn't suffer from trying to wrap up a bunch of stuff at once. To be fair I'm still not quite sure what the Dark Matrix Creature was, (A shred of Unicron? G2 Swarm?) but I did like that Rodimus fought it with knowledge and wisdom rather than shooting first. He's finally become a Prime.
Also that last bit. So much speculation! Was that a new Cybertron being formed? New TF's? Who knows. Perhaps someone recognizes what emerged from the cocoon? Or maybe it's just something totally new?
Either way, loved it, plenty of real emotion and seriously glad this series got made.
Just read it and I gotta say, I loved it.
Spoilers
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Ok, hands down favorite moment, Ultra Magnus and Galvatron. Holy crap, I want all those pages as huge posters, especially UM standing over a crushed Galvy.
Though to be fair, the Rodimus Prime Reinforcements were also fantastic.
Guidi's art was just epic. I mean utterly epic. Senior does a bit better job of portraying momentum and action, but Guidi was just unstoppable. Loved it.
Plotwise I actually felt it held up and didn't suffer from trying to wrap up a bunch of stuff at once. To be fair I'm still not quite sure what the Dark Matrix Creature was, (A shred of Unicron? G2 Swarm?) but I did like that Rodimus fought it with knowledge and wisdom rather than shooting first. He's finally become a Prime.
Also that last bit. So much speculation! Was that a new Cybertron being formed? New TF's? Who knows. Perhaps someone recognizes what emerged from the cocoon? Or maybe it's just something totally new?
Either way, loved it, plenty of real emotion and seriously glad this series got made.
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Re: Regeneration #100 - The End
Just wanted to say Sorry Compy, didnt want to **** on your post in the other thread, just thought they would be best kept here for all eternity... or how ever long the server is paid for etc...
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Re: Regeneration #100 - The End
No worries, honestly. Given that it's the last issue in an epic series, I agree that it needs its own thread.Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Just wanted to say Sorry Compy, didnt want to **** on your post in the other thread, just thought they would be best kept here for all eternity... or how ever long the server is paid for etc...
Some random musing thoughts:
I was totally wrong on it being a pre-cursor to the IDW-verse. Oh well, lol.
It was also cool that this is the first "boss" in a long while that wasn't defeated by shoving a Matrix at it.
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Re: Regeneration #100 - The End
The bit at the end, Roddy says that Eons have passed and he is the last.
Am I right in thinking he has essentially grown old, perhaps millions of years? and has returned to Cybrertron as the last living transformers to be become part of a rebirth of life?
Am I right in thinking he has essentially grown old, perhaps millions of years? and has returned to Cybrertron as the last living transformers to be become part of a rebirth of life?
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Re: Regeneration #100 - The End
That is what I took it as.Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:The bit at the end, Roddy says that Eons have passed and he is the last.
Am I right in thinking he has essentially grown old, perhaps millions of years? and has returned to Cybrertron as the last living transformers to be become part of a rebirth of life?
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First thoughts: I need to read this again, but wow, what an epic ride! I mean, this issue is Furmantacular, it's Furmalicious, it's pure, triple-distilled Furmahol served with Furma-Cola on the rocks. It's like there was some kind of Furpocalyse, after which the last Furman managed to find the last Furwoman alive and together they created a new Furworld, which they populated with their Furbabies, and millennia later their descendants sifted through all the wisdom of their elders and drew up this comic as the finest example of the spirit upon which their culture was built. I think that one got away from me a little bit.
It's a bit brutal, isn't it? Pretty much everyone snuffs it, though the idea of Shockwave, Starscream and Ravage going on to become intergalactic ambassadors for peace is both hilarious and brilliant all at once. They were the three that resurfaced back in US issue #69 after they were all supposed to be dead, so perhaps Furman has a soft spot for those characters. Everybody else, though? Let's do a quick body count over the series:
First thoughts: I need to read this again, but wow, what an epic ride! I mean, this issue is Furmantacular, it's Furmalicious, it's pure, triple-distilled Furmahol served with Furma-Cola on the rocks. It's like there was some kind of Furpocalyse, after which the last Furman managed to find the last Furwoman alive and together they created a new Furworld, which they populated with their Furbabies, and millennia later their descendants sifted through all the wisdom of their elders and drew up this comic as the finest example of the spirit upon which their culture was built. I think that one got away from me a little bit.
It's a bit brutal, isn't it? Pretty much everyone snuffs it, though the idea of Shockwave, Starscream and Ravage going on to become intergalactic ambassadors for peace is both hilarious and brilliant all at once. They were the three that resurfaced back in US issue #69 after they were all supposed to be dead, so perhaps Furman has a soft spot for those characters. Everybody else, though? Let's do a quick body count over the series:
- The Last Autobot is nuked.
The Skyscorchers are executed by three of the Deluxe Insecticons.
All of the human characters bar two, and most of the population of Earth are dead.
The 84/85/86 Decepticons - with the exception of the big five, Megatron, Soundwave, Shockwave, Starscream and Ravage - and the Monsterbots, for some reason, were lobotomised and turned into zombies, then they're beaten by the Autobots, deactivated and incinerated from orbit.
Ratchet spent 21 years as a face, and then Kup shoots him.
Optimus Prime puts Megatron down for good.
Lightspeed and Nosecone and probably others get eaten by Demons.
Slapdash and a few generics are killed by the Autobot Headmasters.
Misfire and Treadshot are killed by Scorponok and Grimlock respectively.
Pounce is shot in the head by Crosshairs.
Roadblock and Scorponok fall into the Sonic Canyons.
Poor Cosmos.
Windbreaker goes out with a sad parp.
Just to make sure we know it, we see Buster and Jessie killed by Ratbat in a carwash, plus Movie Ultra Magnus, Kup, Springer, Arcee and Rodimus are killed in another timestream. Jhiaxus killed Boltax, Decanus, Tallus and Rokan.
Monstructor is quite comprehensively ripped apart.
Mainframe's definitely dead.
The G2 guys kill a load of Demons.
Hound buys it while taking on the G2 guys.
Jhiaxus kills Joyride, Sky High, Crosshairs and Brainstorm. The Wreckers and Shockwave slaughter thousands of G2 guys. Galvatron takes out a bunch of generic Autobots..
Almost EVERYONE WHO WAS LEFT ON CYBERTRON is consumed by some sort of energy shadow-leech thing. Iguanus, Soundwave, Beastbox, Squalktalk, Howlback, Wingthing, Slugfest and Overkill explicitly, Scattershot implicitly. But pretty much everyone else is dead.
So at this point it's probably easier to list who's still alive. The characters we've seen are Rodimus, Blurr, Jetfire, Blaster, Ultra Magnus, Kup, Nightbeat, Bumblebee, Chromedome, Wheeljack, Streetwise, Blades, Groove, Powerglide, Jazz, Getaway, Beachcomber, Skids, Fastlane, Prowl, Broadside, Whirl, Topspin, Sandstorm, Roadbuster, Rack 'n' Ruin and Hardhead plus the ever-indestructible Dinobots. We can assume some other Autobots are off-panel as well, as we later see Mirage, Red Alert and (bizarrely) Backstreet alive, as well as Hosehead, Slingshot and Tailgate (aw) who show up just to get shadow-leeched to death. As does Streetwise.
Magnus puts down Galvatron like a mad dog.
Fort Max comes back wrong and has to be put down.
Optimus Prime dies (again).
By the end of the issue, all the other Transformers are dead apart from Rodimus, who dies.
I'm getting Botanica. Which is weird because if we are leading into some kind of Beast Era, it seems odd to explicitly kill off Iguanus, who was implied to have been his BW self.Computron wrote:Also that last bit. So much speculation! Was that a new Cybertron being formed? New TF's? Who knows. Perhaps someone recognizes what emerged from the cocoon? Or maybe it's just something totally new?
I would have waited a ******* eternity for this!!!!
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Re: Regeneration #100 - The End
TBH I found it a little bit hard to follow but from what I can tell, Rodimus was able to seal their world off from the multiverse, containing the dark martix monster? And everyone left on Cybertron died /became a shadow monster?
Why did the dark matrix summon Optimus Prime, who was on deaths door on Earth? What was the point of Spike? Was he the conduit to the multiverse? (I probably need to read the last few issues again).
Optimus really got shanked throughout all of Regen1 in my opinion. On the plus side, we got some great Rodimus moments.
I still enjoyed this, but I guess it just didn't feel as epic as it could have.
Why did the dark matrix summon Optimus Prime, who was on deaths door on Earth? What was the point of Spike? Was he the conduit to the multiverse? (I probably need to read the last few issues again).
Optimus really got shanked throughout all of Regen1 in my opinion. On the plus side, we got some great Rodimus moments.
I still enjoyed this, but I guess it just didn't feel as epic as it could have.
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It was pretty good. Not great, closer to OK than great for me. The ending reminded me a lot of Superman : Red Son, with the "OK, now huge time jump of prosperity and working together and then we end at the beginning."
I liked the finality, I like the multiverse (although I think the Multi-Op and Multi-Rod stuff actually would have been better served in Guido or Wildman's hands), you have to like fanwank moments like UM/Galvy. My main problems were that
A) Rodimus was just a tornado of Furman, which was fun in the "last time around" sense, less fun in the "What actually happened?" sense. All this stuff in this issue could have used some more breathing space.
B) Would have like to see Fort Max/Op get a bit more say or redemption. It's like, I understand that as a wrapping-up-all, sure let's deal with Earth/Nebulos. But in the end the story of Optimus cleaning up the milk he spilt - from Megatron to the end - took up a lot of space, and was only connected to the main story by "Caught by the Space Bridge!"
C) There are lots of sub villan plots that need to be dealt with and addressed in too long a fashion, one big villan plot is simmering in the background, then RIGHT at the end the big villan spills his guts with this time spanning plan that's overly complicated, creating a sense that the story has always been about this big plot, yet the exact nature and mechanics of this big plot are drowned in hyperbole and technobabble. Am I talking about the Dark Matrix Entity or Shockwave? I don't know either.
I liked the finality, I like the multiverse (although I think the Multi-Op and Multi-Rod stuff actually would have been better served in Guido or Wildman's hands), you have to like fanwank moments like UM/Galvy. My main problems were that
A) Rodimus was just a tornado of Furman, which was fun in the "last time around" sense, less fun in the "What actually happened?" sense. All this stuff in this issue could have used some more breathing space.
B) Would have like to see Fort Max/Op get a bit more say or redemption. It's like, I understand that as a wrapping-up-all, sure let's deal with Earth/Nebulos. But in the end the story of Optimus cleaning up the milk he spilt - from Megatron to the end - took up a lot of space, and was only connected to the main story by "Caught by the Space Bridge!"
C) There are lots of sub villan plots that need to be dealt with and addressed in too long a fashion, one big villan plot is simmering in the background, then RIGHT at the end the big villan spills his guts with this time spanning plan that's overly complicated, creating a sense that the story has always been about this big plot, yet the exact nature and mechanics of this big plot are drowned in hyperbole and technobabble. Am I talking about the Dark Matrix Entity or Shockwave? I don't know either.
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Re: Regeneration #100 - The End
I loved it.
But one thing that really confused me... if this was the Darl Matrix entity... wasn't that still hanging out in space with a blowed up T-Dub when everyone was recalled to Cybertron? Hence, you know, turning up mid fight in EOE?
Basically - i don't get it. I get Evil Matrix creature, but not how it came to be on Cybertron and free of the matrix.
Anyway still loved it - SF's intro was gold.
But one thing that really confused me... if this was the Darl Matrix entity... wasn't that still hanging out in space with a blowed up T-Dub when everyone was recalled to Cybertron? Hence, you know, turning up mid fight in EOE?
Basically - i don't get it. I get Evil Matrix creature, but not how it came to be on Cybertron and free of the matrix.
Anyway still loved it - SF's intro was gold.
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Series-loved it!
Finale-just okay. Too much hyperbole and mumbo jumbo for my taste. Fort Max just kinda lamely died. Not sure what Optimus actually did at the end except whisper sweet words of wisdom in Rodimus' ear.
Verdict- glad this series happened. It was much, much better than expected. Sad to see this really is the end.
But with Screamer still alive you never know.
Finale-just okay. Too much hyperbole and mumbo jumbo for my taste. Fort Max just kinda lamely died. Not sure what Optimus actually did at the end except whisper sweet words of wisdom in Rodimus' ear.
Verdict- glad this series happened. It was much, much better than expected. Sad to see this really is the end.
But with Screamer still alive you never know.
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Re: Regeneration #100 - The End
Once again I think I'm pretty much out of tune with everyone else here (this site seems to be... well I was going to say the last bastion of huge love for the series but in a lot of ways it feels more like it's the last place left talking about the book in-depth at all, the others forums I browse seem to have mostly given in the ghost on the book), but that's cool. Different opinions are the backbone of discussion forums and it's nice some people have gotten some real joy out of the title.
That said, my, entirely subjective of course, view on the final:
[Much of this comes from a conversation with TFArchive poster Terome on Facebook and I am unashamed in stealing neat things he said which I pretty much could only respond to with "I wish I'd said that". And now I have, bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha]
After a distinct improvement for the first three issues of the Jhiaxus arc, things fell apart a bit at the end. Jhiaxus' defeat seemed a bit pat in the penultimate issue (and basically boiled down to the Wreckers being more capable than all the other Autobots put together, which seemed a bit egocentric on their creator's part), and issue 100 itself...
Well, good stuff first, this looked great. Special props to Wildman, this was his best art in years and he actually seemed to be invested for the first time in any of his modern TF comic work (as shown by the slightly odd introduction where he seemed to think the comic was about something profound. Fair enough if it helped him raise his game, but it does make you wonder how closely he actually read the scripts) resulting in some genuinely neat panels.
Senior was as awesome as ever, but he art seemed off in some way to me, slightly too cartooney maybe? Mind, not perfect Senior is still damned good so no real complaints.
And Guido, ah Guido. The only person involved in the whole series who unnervingly brought their A game to everything they did. Every one of his panels since he joined up has sung, and full props to the man for successfully coming up with work that fitted in with the established Wildman style but still felt very much its own beast.
The OK: I liked Grimlock going down in a non-fussy way, and him quoting the Touch is the sort of self referential joke that actually works, these things are best done as part of a silly big action scene rather than, say, when you're killing the lead character.
More on that in a second.
The bad:
OK, maybe I'm, just very thick, certainly that's the way IDW have been making me feel lately. Just after Shockwave's plan in Dark Cybertron has left me confused, the similar reality threatening shenanagans from the EVIL Matrix here has left me equally baffled. In particular, though the end goal is marginally more understandable than Shockwave's (in that, the EVIL Matrix was always basically evil for the sake of it so unlike the one eyed scientist you don't have to wonder what it's getting out of things) how it's being achieved was just odd. For example I genuinely have no idea what it actually needed Spike for.
What's really bad though is a large part of the issue is given over to exposition to try and make it seem like the plot makes sense. At least Dark Cybertron had enough sense to get that out the way before the final, presumably one hopes with the intent of that being just straight up fun action (well, let's hope anyway, Part 11 seemed to move in the right direction).
The recycling of old failed Furman ideas didn't help either. On the one hand we had the "Threat on Infinite Cybertrons" idea that was the first (rejected) pitch he made to IDW, on the other, the EVIL Matrix threatening to destroy reality that was his original intent for his take on the Dark Universe stuff (before AHM changed things so Optimus did have the Matrix all along so the Darkness, which otherwise acts exactly like an EVIL Matrix, was shoehorned in its place) thrown together with gay abandon so as to show you exactly why IDW decided to go in different (though not necessarily better sadly) directions the first time round.
What's especially poor though is the recycling of ideas from earlier Reg issues, Cybertron consumed by something that turns to population evil and has them fighting the unaffected remaining few? That was the basis of the whole Scorponok arc! It's handled in a marginally more interesting way here (at least visually), but it's rather piss poor all the same that Furman can't go two years into a planned out from the start maxi-series before repeating himself.
The worst bit though, and a strong contender for the worst thing Furman had ever written, was the death of Optimus. A scene intended to be the "Final" death for the main lead of the original series and the most iconic and well known Transformer of them all, is reduced to quoting Transformers the Movie because the writer can't think of anything original to give him to do?
I mean, that's the sort of crap Brad Mick used to do. Same for Andy Schmidt and, most recently, Flint Dille (who at least has the semi, though still flimsey, excuse he's trying to evoke his cartoon work). Why not throw an "I still function"? In there as well? having characters quote bits of the '86 film is the Universal sign for "The writer is a burnt out hack", and it's a shame Furman has fallen to that level.
it doesn't help it feels like the death was a bit of an afterthought as well, it wasn't initially completely clear the "Regular" Prime was one of the three and it just felt at the last second someone thought Prime should get some sort of last words, else he'd have just left killed by Fort Max in an equally off-hand way last issue.
Oh, and the attempted resolution the Magnus/Galvatron plot carried on all the problems of their previous encounter: They keep talking and acting as if they have this epic history when they in fact do not have an epic history, having never met each other before the events of this series. Trying to piggey back the UK versions' rivalry onto these different characters was just lazy and ineffectual.
It's as if Sherlock, instead of bothering to build up an antagonistic relationship between Holmes and Moriarty that culminated in their final battle, just jumped straight to the rooftop confrontation and relied on viewers memories of the Jeremy Brett TV series so as to fill in the blanks as to why they (and we) should care.
What was interesting about the end was how it tied in with a quote the aforementioned Terome found a few weeks ago (and which can be read in this thread http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=52335) that Hasbro want to homogenise the brand and make everything the same. So suddenly the Marvel continuity is the black cancer at the heart of "Proper" Transformers fiction and must die so those "better" (in the eyes of Hasbro execs), more recently approved Universes can carry on in their carefully coordinated way.
It didn't feel like a celebration of the Marvel continuity, it felt like burying it at the crossroads with a stake through the heart. Now, if that was one of the edicts Hasbro laid down so the series could happen then fair enough, that's something beyond Furman's control (and very little in the writing of Reg has felt hugely enthused, more a contractual obligation), but it doesn't make the final result a better read.
The shame of it is, there was probably a pretty decent ten (at most) issue series in here. Cut down a bit of Megatron on Earth, then bring Galvatron in as the main villain for the rest of the series (I think even the book's biggest fans would agree that Scorponok was something that just didn't need revisiting. If a revived Fort Max had to be part of the climax you could just have the EVIL Matrix do what it did with all the Prime's and grab one from another dimension), working for the EM all along in exchange for a promise of return to his own dimension. He does something under its guidance that starts turning the population of Cybertron evil, resulting in a pitched battle that is ultimately lost resulting in the planet being dark and covered in corpses out to get the few survivors as issue 100 starts with.
you could have had subplots on post-Megatron Earth (though with Spike as just a "Normal" post-op Headmaster rather than the mess we wound up with. His silly super powers barely contributed anything really, especially as whatever it was he was supposed to be doing at the end seemed to be more about strength of will than anything else) and with Hot Rod digging about underground and finding his True Destiny tm, but it would have been a far more focused series.
I'd also have still either firmly embraced it being part of the UK and G2 series as well (which really wouldn't have been that hard and would have dealt with some of the Magnus/Galvatron issues), or stuck firmly to the US series and the US series alone and not filled it with references, jokes and even attempted payoffs to those stories that just wound up being confusing to the hypothetical "Main audience" the book was supposedly aiming for.
I'd have either killed Prime off with Megatron or had him actually contribute something, anything really, other than making the villain's job easier by championing the Nebulos space bridge link, to the plot.
All in all though, whilst there were still nice moments, especially in the final arc, the climax can also work as well as a metaphor for Furman as much as anything else. Tired and worn out and of needing to be swept aside so the rest of the franchise can move on. It might move on in better directions, it might move on in worse (we've had a little of both from IDW's other books recently), but succeed or fail the newer writers will at least be trying.
That said, my, entirely subjective of course, view on the final:
[Much of this comes from a conversation with TFArchive poster Terome on Facebook and I am unashamed in stealing neat things he said which I pretty much could only respond to with "I wish I'd said that". And now I have, bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha]
After a distinct improvement for the first three issues of the Jhiaxus arc, things fell apart a bit at the end. Jhiaxus' defeat seemed a bit pat in the penultimate issue (and basically boiled down to the Wreckers being more capable than all the other Autobots put together, which seemed a bit egocentric on their creator's part), and issue 100 itself...
Well, good stuff first, this looked great. Special props to Wildman, this was his best art in years and he actually seemed to be invested for the first time in any of his modern TF comic work (as shown by the slightly odd introduction where he seemed to think the comic was about something profound. Fair enough if it helped him raise his game, but it does make you wonder how closely he actually read the scripts) resulting in some genuinely neat panels.
Senior was as awesome as ever, but he art seemed off in some way to me, slightly too cartooney maybe? Mind, not perfect Senior is still damned good so no real complaints.
And Guido, ah Guido. The only person involved in the whole series who unnervingly brought their A game to everything they did. Every one of his panels since he joined up has sung, and full props to the man for successfully coming up with work that fitted in with the established Wildman style but still felt very much its own beast.
The OK: I liked Grimlock going down in a non-fussy way, and him quoting the Touch is the sort of self referential joke that actually works, these things are best done as part of a silly big action scene rather than, say, when you're killing the lead character.
More on that in a second.
The bad:
OK, maybe I'm, just very thick, certainly that's the way IDW have been making me feel lately. Just after Shockwave's plan in Dark Cybertron has left me confused, the similar reality threatening shenanagans from the EVIL Matrix here has left me equally baffled. In particular, though the end goal is marginally more understandable than Shockwave's (in that, the EVIL Matrix was always basically evil for the sake of it so unlike the one eyed scientist you don't have to wonder what it's getting out of things) how it's being achieved was just odd. For example I genuinely have no idea what it actually needed Spike for.
What's really bad though is a large part of the issue is given over to exposition to try and make it seem like the plot makes sense. At least Dark Cybertron had enough sense to get that out the way before the final, presumably one hopes with the intent of that being just straight up fun action (well, let's hope anyway, Part 11 seemed to move in the right direction).
The recycling of old failed Furman ideas didn't help either. On the one hand we had the "Threat on Infinite Cybertrons" idea that was the first (rejected) pitch he made to IDW, on the other, the EVIL Matrix threatening to destroy reality that was his original intent for his take on the Dark Universe stuff (before AHM changed things so Optimus did have the Matrix all along so the Darkness, which otherwise acts exactly like an EVIL Matrix, was shoehorned in its place) thrown together with gay abandon so as to show you exactly why IDW decided to go in different (though not necessarily better sadly) directions the first time round.
What's especially poor though is the recycling of ideas from earlier Reg issues, Cybertron consumed by something that turns to population evil and has them fighting the unaffected remaining few? That was the basis of the whole Scorponok arc! It's handled in a marginally more interesting way here (at least visually), but it's rather piss poor all the same that Furman can't go two years into a planned out from the start maxi-series before repeating himself.
The worst bit though, and a strong contender for the worst thing Furman had ever written, was the death of Optimus. A scene intended to be the "Final" death for the main lead of the original series and the most iconic and well known Transformer of them all, is reduced to quoting Transformers the Movie because the writer can't think of anything original to give him to do?
I mean, that's the sort of crap Brad Mick used to do. Same for Andy Schmidt and, most recently, Flint Dille (who at least has the semi, though still flimsey, excuse he's trying to evoke his cartoon work). Why not throw an "I still function"? In there as well? having characters quote bits of the '86 film is the Universal sign for "The writer is a burnt out hack", and it's a shame Furman has fallen to that level.
it doesn't help it feels like the death was a bit of an afterthought as well, it wasn't initially completely clear the "Regular" Prime was one of the three and it just felt at the last second someone thought Prime should get some sort of last words, else he'd have just left killed by Fort Max in an equally off-hand way last issue.
Oh, and the attempted resolution the Magnus/Galvatron plot carried on all the problems of their previous encounter: They keep talking and acting as if they have this epic history when they in fact do not have an epic history, having never met each other before the events of this series. Trying to piggey back the UK versions' rivalry onto these different characters was just lazy and ineffectual.
It's as if Sherlock, instead of bothering to build up an antagonistic relationship between Holmes and Moriarty that culminated in their final battle, just jumped straight to the rooftop confrontation and relied on viewers memories of the Jeremy Brett TV series so as to fill in the blanks as to why they (and we) should care.
What was interesting about the end was how it tied in with a quote the aforementioned Terome found a few weeks ago (and which can be read in this thread http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=52335) that Hasbro want to homogenise the brand and make everything the same. So suddenly the Marvel continuity is the black cancer at the heart of "Proper" Transformers fiction and must die so those "better" (in the eyes of Hasbro execs), more recently approved Universes can carry on in their carefully coordinated way.
It didn't feel like a celebration of the Marvel continuity, it felt like burying it at the crossroads with a stake through the heart. Now, if that was one of the edicts Hasbro laid down so the series could happen then fair enough, that's something beyond Furman's control (and very little in the writing of Reg has felt hugely enthused, more a contractual obligation), but it doesn't make the final result a better read.
The shame of it is, there was probably a pretty decent ten (at most) issue series in here. Cut down a bit of Megatron on Earth, then bring Galvatron in as the main villain for the rest of the series (I think even the book's biggest fans would agree that Scorponok was something that just didn't need revisiting. If a revived Fort Max had to be part of the climax you could just have the EVIL Matrix do what it did with all the Prime's and grab one from another dimension), working for the EM all along in exchange for a promise of return to his own dimension. He does something under its guidance that starts turning the population of Cybertron evil, resulting in a pitched battle that is ultimately lost resulting in the planet being dark and covered in corpses out to get the few survivors as issue 100 starts with.
you could have had subplots on post-Megatron Earth (though with Spike as just a "Normal" post-op Headmaster rather than the mess we wound up with. His silly super powers barely contributed anything really, especially as whatever it was he was supposed to be doing at the end seemed to be more about strength of will than anything else) and with Hot Rod digging about underground and finding his True Destiny tm, but it would have been a far more focused series.
I'd also have still either firmly embraced it being part of the UK and G2 series as well (which really wouldn't have been that hard and would have dealt with some of the Magnus/Galvatron issues), or stuck firmly to the US series and the US series alone and not filled it with references, jokes and even attempted payoffs to those stories that just wound up being confusing to the hypothetical "Main audience" the book was supposedly aiming for.
I'd have either killed Prime off with Megatron or had him actually contribute something, anything really, other than making the villain's job easier by championing the Nebulos space bridge link, to the plot.
All in all though, whilst there were still nice moments, especially in the final arc, the climax can also work as well as a metaphor for Furman as much as anything else. Tired and worn out and of needing to be swept aside so the rest of the franchise can move on. It might move on in better directions, it might move on in worse (we've had a little of both from IDW's other books recently), but succeed or fail the newer writers will at least be trying.
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Re: Regeneration #100 - The End
I won't try to deny in the slightest that nostalgia, for lack of a better term, does cover some of Regen's faults. That being said, I'll try to focus on some of the points that elevate Regen, rather than simply saying "Nuh-uh, you're wrong!"
The Art: I won't belabor the point. Guidi's art makes me feel like I'm reading the Transformer's comics for the first time. It's brilliant and evokes so much good will, that it can't be understated.
Rodimus: I would argue that for the first time I think we have a real, honest reason to treat Rodimus as a hero. Hot Rod / Rodimus has been viewed as a pretender to the throne, a Hasbro mandated entity that screws up the story, and usually does so by killing Optimus.
Now don't get me wrong, IDW Rodimus is a fantastic character and Roberts deserves all the accolades for said writing, but IDW Rodimus isn't a hero. He isn't someone you root for. He's a deeply flawed character who has made some epic mistakes. That makes him a great character but he isn't a hero per se. Now, his journey to redemption is compelling, but that reinforces my point that he isn't a hero. Optimus calls him out on this in DC#9 or whatever it was.
In terms of the "Classic" TF's, Furman finally makes Rodimus a hero on par with Optimus, and not in a ham handed way. The character is given time to grow into the role over the course of the issues and I believe it works. By the end I feel that this incarnation of Rodimus is the first to truly deserve the title of "Prime."
As a side note, I think Optimus' two panel death reinforces the point that Regen is more Rodimus' story. Yes we all love Optimus and want him to get page time, but what would additional panels have wrought exactly?
Magnus: Part of this is Guidi's art, but I really felt that Magnus was able to let loose this series and be the Autobot's Greatest Warrior. You are correct in noting that technically yes, Magnus and Galvatron haven't met yet in this incarnation of the TF universe, but you can't also deny that Regen exists because of those fans who loved the UK series, who read Time Wars over and over and who know of the epic, time spanning battles between Magnus and Galvatron.
I think it is a bit unfair to attack a series for including plot elements from the UK comics, when Regen's existence is predicated on those UK fans in the first place. Can you imagine how odd and disappointing it would be to have no Magnus/Galvatron resolution? This was the series to do it in.
Also, Magnus crushing Galvatron's head and then snapping his neck is about the coolest damn thing ever, and I'll never change my mind.
Sacrifice: Regen nailed another aspect for me, which was the theme of sacrifice. The TF's of the Regen continuity have to be the most abused, kicked around, and beaten up incarnation of TF's. (Well aside from the universes where Unicron won I suppose...) There is a palpable sense of melancholy around these TFs that is used to showcase the ruin they have put themselves into to atone for their past errors.
Yet despite this, they still rise. They get up and continue existing, fighting and making the ultimate sacrifice when necessary. The funny part is that of all the incarnations, they may have finally figured out how to balance order and chaos. Sure they had to wipe out Unicron and most of the Cybertronian race, but at the end Starscream and Shockwave of all people, are ambassadors of peace.
I thought Furman did a great job of showing the ultimate redemptive arc of an entire race of beings. Speaking for myself, that last image of Rodimus about to die is just so perfectly bittersweet and encapsulates what this version of the TFs had to put up with and go through.
Now I admit, I think the evil matrix thing needed to be edited to make more clear just where this thing came from. I also agree that Scorponok's entire story arc could have been rewritten or excised completely. It was also unclear what Spike's role was, but recall he was a Matrix bearer for a short period of time (kinda I guess), and I can only assume the evil matrix needed every bit of Matrix energy in order to maximize the size of the tear in Space-Time. Again this could have been explained better.
But when I step back and look at the series as a whole, I feel that it is quite a fitting end cap to an epic series. Not without its flaws, but there are distinct reasons why it works despite said flaws.
The Art: I won't belabor the point. Guidi's art makes me feel like I'm reading the Transformer's comics for the first time. It's brilliant and evokes so much good will, that it can't be understated.
Rodimus: I would argue that for the first time I think we have a real, honest reason to treat Rodimus as a hero. Hot Rod / Rodimus has been viewed as a pretender to the throne, a Hasbro mandated entity that screws up the story, and usually does so by killing Optimus.
Now don't get me wrong, IDW Rodimus is a fantastic character and Roberts deserves all the accolades for said writing, but IDW Rodimus isn't a hero. He isn't someone you root for. He's a deeply flawed character who has made some epic mistakes. That makes him a great character but he isn't a hero per se. Now, his journey to redemption is compelling, but that reinforces my point that he isn't a hero. Optimus calls him out on this in DC#9 or whatever it was.
In terms of the "Classic" TF's, Furman finally makes Rodimus a hero on par with Optimus, and not in a ham handed way. The character is given time to grow into the role over the course of the issues and I believe it works. By the end I feel that this incarnation of Rodimus is the first to truly deserve the title of "Prime."
As a side note, I think Optimus' two panel death reinforces the point that Regen is more Rodimus' story. Yes we all love Optimus and want him to get page time, but what would additional panels have wrought exactly?
Magnus: Part of this is Guidi's art, but I really felt that Magnus was able to let loose this series and be the Autobot's Greatest Warrior. You are correct in noting that technically yes, Magnus and Galvatron haven't met yet in this incarnation of the TF universe, but you can't also deny that Regen exists because of those fans who loved the UK series, who read Time Wars over and over and who know of the epic, time spanning battles between Magnus and Galvatron.
I think it is a bit unfair to attack a series for including plot elements from the UK comics, when Regen's existence is predicated on those UK fans in the first place. Can you imagine how odd and disappointing it would be to have no Magnus/Galvatron resolution? This was the series to do it in.
Also, Magnus crushing Galvatron's head and then snapping his neck is about the coolest damn thing ever, and I'll never change my mind.
Sacrifice: Regen nailed another aspect for me, which was the theme of sacrifice. The TF's of the Regen continuity have to be the most abused, kicked around, and beaten up incarnation of TF's. (Well aside from the universes where Unicron won I suppose...) There is a palpable sense of melancholy around these TFs that is used to showcase the ruin they have put themselves into to atone for their past errors.
Yet despite this, they still rise. They get up and continue existing, fighting and making the ultimate sacrifice when necessary. The funny part is that of all the incarnations, they may have finally figured out how to balance order and chaos. Sure they had to wipe out Unicron and most of the Cybertronian race, but at the end Starscream and Shockwave of all people, are ambassadors of peace.
I thought Furman did a great job of showing the ultimate redemptive arc of an entire race of beings. Speaking for myself, that last image of Rodimus about to die is just so perfectly bittersweet and encapsulates what this version of the TFs had to put up with and go through.
Now I admit, I think the evil matrix thing needed to be edited to make more clear just where this thing came from. I also agree that Scorponok's entire story arc could have been rewritten or excised completely. It was also unclear what Spike's role was, but recall he was a Matrix bearer for a short period of time (kinda I guess), and I can only assume the evil matrix needed every bit of Matrix energy in order to maximize the size of the tear in Space-Time. Again this could have been explained better.
But when I step back and look at the series as a whole, I feel that it is quite a fitting end cap to an epic series. Not without its flaws, but there are distinct reasons why it works despite said flaws.
Re: Regeneration #100 - The End
I'm unfortunately going to have to agree with Infallible Daleks sentiment regarding this finale. The revelation that Hasbro mandate may have permanently killed off Marvel's TF story arc doesn't make me feel any rosier either.
I kind of view this series the same way I did Lost. It was more for me about the journey than the finale. Overall I really loved Regeneration. But as is said above the ending was, in hindsight, the weakest part of Regen, weaker than the Scorponok stuff. Like ID, I'm still not sure exactly what happened. If that statement by Hasbro is true though, then I pretty much know what it's about. It's about closure. As in death-with-no-chance-for-return kind of closure. 'Lets kill everyone!" kind of closure.
Somehow though Simon slipped Shockwave, Screamer, and Ravage past Hasbros defences. I guess it's because even Hasbro knows Shockwave is just too damn cool to kill. .
I'm going to read it again to try to understand it better. Something I didn't have to do with the other 19 issues.
I kind of view this series the same way I did Lost. It was more for me about the journey than the finale. Overall I really loved Regeneration. But as is said above the ending was, in hindsight, the weakest part of Regen, weaker than the Scorponok stuff. Like ID, I'm still not sure exactly what happened. If that statement by Hasbro is true though, then I pretty much know what it's about. It's about closure. As in death-with-no-chance-for-return kind of closure. 'Lets kill everyone!" kind of closure.
Somehow though Simon slipped Shockwave, Screamer, and Ravage past Hasbros defences. I guess it's because even Hasbro knows Shockwave is just too damn cool to kill. .
I'm going to read it again to try to understand it better. Something I didn't have to do with the other 19 issues.
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Re: Regeneration #100 - The End
Well, I was all ready to try and come up with a reply to Computron's excellent post...
But Yaya agreeing with me has blown my mind.
I think this is the end of days.
I'm also annoyed that someone pointed out the final owed a good deal to Beast Wars: The Ascending, a comic I've been trying to block out of my mind for years (and I must apologise to the death of Prime here as that comic trumps it as it has a strong contender for "Worst thing Furman ever did" every other page).
Those two facts together mean a I'm off to lay on a bed with a cold towel on my head.
But Yaya agreeing with me has blown my mind.
I think this is the end of days.
I'm also annoyed that someone pointed out the final owed a good deal to Beast Wars: The Ascending, a comic I've been trying to block out of my mind for years (and I must apologise to the death of Prime here as that comic trumps it as it has a strong contender for "Worst thing Furman ever did" every other page).
Those two facts together mean a I'm off to lay on a bed with a cold towel on my head.
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When i read ID's comments about Furman i get an urge to call the police so they can check there isn't a guy outside Simon's house.
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Just read it. Loved it.
I am 100% positive that it was due to a need for closure after so many years, but I don't care.
Just reading the cover and final page where Furman says" no really, we mean it this time." Brought me to tears. Pack a really good story and art in the middle and you have yourself a 36 year old manchild lost in thought and wonder and suddenly 5 years old playing with his first transformer at recess in Greece.
We were stationed there from 83 to 87, and the only things we got from home were Yankees baseball, GI Joes, and Transformers. Well I still love the Yankees, my dad, (a living GI Joe), and Transformers.
I am 100% positive that it was due to a need for closure after so many years, but I don't care.
Just reading the cover and final page where Furman says" no really, we mean it this time." Brought me to tears. Pack a really good story and art in the middle and you have yourself a 36 year old manchild lost in thought and wonder and suddenly 5 years old playing with his first transformer at recess in Greece.
We were stationed there from 83 to 87, and the only things we got from home were Yankees baseball, GI Joes, and Transformers. Well I still love the Yankees, my dad, (a living GI Joe), and Transformers.
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