Dark Cybersleep Part 10

Mr_Tigg · Post by **Mr_Tigg** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:47 pm

I must admit I quite liked this issue. Parts of it anyway. It's clearly a bit more "Robert-sy" than "Barber-y". Great to have Milne back on art duties too - feels like a breath of fresh air after all the muddiness in previous chapters.

Still don't fully get Shocker's plan though. I mean I get what he's doing (thanks to him thoughtfully explaining each mad scheme just before it happens), I just don't get why he's doing it. Point in case - I still don't see why he needed a Titan. Honestly my eyes glaze over when he starts rambling about the next part of his plan.

The fisticuffs between Prowl and Chromey was fun though.

Post by **Computron** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:55 pm

I have to agree on pretty much all you said.

The art was really wonderful. Having Milne back just elevates this issue. That huge spread near the beginning of the issue with Metroplex, Sky Lynx and all the other Bots and Cons was spectacular. Anyone else notice Bob?

Plotwise I really liked it. Lots of good character moments, especially with Prowl and Chromedome. I'm really glad Chromey gave it to Prowl. That jerk has had it coming for awhile.

That being said, I wish they would settle on one version of Prowl to showcase. In MTMTE Prowl is Tywin Lannister. In RID Prowl is an idiot. I like reading about MTMTE Prowl, but it is disconcerting to go from RID Prowl to MTMTE Prowl in one issue.

But that's a minor point compared to Shockwave. The Necrotitan makes even less sense now. Was he using it as bait for Metroplex? Why bother though? His Ammonites would have found the thumb eventually. But frankly that pales in comparison to the bigger problem, namely a Cybertronian Singularity. He's gonna suck up all the resources of the universe to do what exactly? Rule over a singularity? Congrats Shockwave. You are now in charge of nothing. Oh and everyone else is dead. So yay?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:20 pm

Better to rule in nothing than to serve in a plotless mess?

Post by **snarl** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:49 am

This was decent, actually.

Seemed like mostly Roberts writing it

Bumblebot · Post by **Bumblebot** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:06 pm

Unicron aside, isn't that a major pitfall of almost every "I'm gonna destroy the universe" villain ever?

"I'm gonna destroy the universe!"
"And then what?"
"Excuse me?"
"Once you've destroyed the universe. What will you do then?"
"Umm... I'll think about that when the time comes!"
"So, you're not convinced you'll destroy the universe any time soon, then?"
"Umm..."
etc.

"Destroy the universe" can easily be substituted with "Exterminate all non-Daleks" or "Assimilate all non-Borg" etc.

But for Shockwave specifically, wouldn't destroying the universe mean an end to all the chaotic events, leaving only an ordered, logical system for him to exist within.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:06 pm

Yeah but the born are building the master race....

But I see your point, this evil plan is whack

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:05 am

On some level, Shockwave's master plan kind of makes sense. To bring ultimate order from the chaos born from time and space and bringing it to a singular point actually seems an act befitting of one ruled by ultimate logic and order. And making him the nodal point of it all really does top any sort of concept of domination we've ever seen in TF comics. So okay, not as lame a grand plan as I would have a anticipated.

Nevertheless, I've never been fond of master plans that bend time and space because it's seems such a nebulous concept that it's almost as bad an idea as that Mcguffin thing that Hotrod was after in his spotlight waaay back when. What was it called? Where literally anything can happen regardless of how illogical. Ah yes. The. Magnificence. Don't fancy those kind of stories.

For me, that's the biggest flaw of this series. The numerous "go with me on this" moments scattered throughout that have served as the backbone and stepping stones for the series. I like surprises, sure, but I also like things to be sensible. This whole series , from the random mixing of ores to giant thumbs to body-portals to new toys just popping up , has suffered a great deal from the utter randomness of it all.

I will be happy when this thing is over. The only thing in my mind that has made it worthwhile is Roberts dialogue. Hopefully Shockwave will survive it. I know I barely have. Still, it could be worse. It could have been Costa-level bad. I'd say it's just above AHM level.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:00 pm

Heh. The McGufficence.

Post by **Computron** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:34 pm

Yaya wrote:On some level, Shockwave's master plan kind of makes sense. To bring ultimate order from the chaos born from time and space and bringing it to a singular point actually seems an act befitting of one ruled by ultimate logic and order. And making him the nodal point of it all really does top any sort of concept of domination we've ever seen in TF comics. So okay, not as lame a grand plan as I would have a anticipated.

See I disagree and here is why. It isn't logical at all. Shockwave is logical and ordered because he views it as the most efficient means to an end, usually Decepticon victory. However in Dark Cybertron, logic and order, or in this case stagnation and stasis, are the end goals. It's order for order's sake which is patently illogical since it accomplishes nothing.

I suppose Shockwave could be classified as insane, which is why this plan makes sense to him maybe,but part of Shockwave's charm has always been his ruthless sanity and cold logic. This plan would make more sense if it was the setup for something bigger, a grand multivers Decepticon empire or to recreate Primus, I dunno. But to have the end goal merely be stasis seems so...Anti-Shocwa

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:03 pm

I disagree with your, uh, disagreement. Correct if I'm wrong but doesn't this plan ultimately entail empowering Cybertron somehow, with Shockwave at the helm? If not, then you're right. It's insane.

Post by **Computron** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:51 pm

Yaya wrote:I disagree with your, uh, disagreement. Correct if I'm wrong but doesn't this plan ultimately entail empowering Cybertron somehow, with Shockwave at the helm? If not, then you're right. It's insane.

The fact that it is unclear at this late stage is not a good sign, heh.

I believe it involves empowering Cybertron but only in the sense that the entire universe will be Cybertron. Everything will exist in a perfect static singularity. I'm not sure what Shockwave would be helming either. That implies there is something that needs helming. Where would a singularity go or do? What decision would need making other than "well...things are still in a singularity. Wonder what is on Netflix? Oh right. Nothing."

It just seems so bizarre.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:50 pm

At this late stage I'm not even sure it's worth trying to understand what Shockwave's end goal is, since in the next issue (or most likely the one after that) Optimus Prime is going to pop out from the Dead Universe, sock him squarely on where his jaw would be if he had one, put a stop to his plan once and for all and send him to bed without energon goodies. It doesn't really matter if it makes sense or not, as it's never going to happen anyway. Interestingly (or not) I went to TVTropes to see if they had a term for the kind of incredibly vague evil plan Shockwave is brewing and from their list of the most common evil plans, this one ticks quite a few boxes depending on interpretation:

Take Over the World (through The Evils of Free Will) - well duh
Destroy The World - maybe, if it's a case of "tear down the old Cybertron and it shall be born anew!"
Kill All The Humans - not just the humans
Kill Everything - pretty much
Cause The Apocalypse - end of the universe time
Gain UNLIMITED POWERRRRR!!!! - obviously
Live Forever - forever as a singularity
Grand Theft Macguffin - a lot of the early stages of the plan rely on this
Unleash The Evil - the Necrotitan, Nova Prime, Galvatron...
Vengeance Is Mine! - maybe a little bit of this, I'm sure Shockers has grudges against 'bots on all sides
Get Rich Quick - sort of, if you count owning all the energy in the entire universe as being rich
Create The Perfect Society - ordered and logical
Create The Worst Society - probably, 'cause since when did a Cybertronian society ever stay peaceful?

The point is, when your evil plan is pretty much every type of evil plan there is combined, it's hard not to respond with a bit of an "Er...what?" It's like they're trying to come up with the most extreme evil plan ever by stacking other evil plans in layers on top of it and then revealing his ultimate motivation - to destroy the entire universe! And with silly loads of Ammonites! Just because!

I agree with Yaya, I really hope this isn't Shockwave's swansong because it's just nonsensical and I'm hoping there'll be something of his character to salvage at the end of it. But even if he dies, this is Transformers, he's bound be back in 12 issues' time.

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