Transformers Zenith

Hook2 · Post by **Hook2** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:23 pm

A lot of people feel like the current standard of G1 comics represent a real low point for the license. Maybe even THE low point.

But what would you consider to be the zenith of Transformers comics. Let your opinion and reason be known! It could be an entire run, a slew of issues or even one mini.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:08 pm

UK comic from about issue 78 to 120.
US comic from about Primal Scream to End of the Road (though there's a couple of so so issues in there).

I'm reserving judgement on G2 until I read it again. I'm hoping it will be as good as I remember.

Not much since has come close I'm afraid. War Within had its moments, so did Infiltration and Escalation - but they weren't the zenith, oh no.

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:25 pm

It's interesting since imo the comic high points don't necessarily correlate to the high points in the franchise as a whole. The comic is almost best when it's ignored and left to it's own devices.

I'd say the comic high point was late 80s; after Simon Furman hit his stride.

The toyline however I'd say has probably hit it about now. Good models coming out of Japan with some great designs, rather than the clunky early stuff from the late 70s and the plastic bricks from the 80s.

Slight tangent there, my appologies.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:33 pm

G2 is my favorite but I have to agree with Spidey. Highest ratio of originality, fun and sheer storytelling power. Some fantastic art as well from Senior, Wildman. Staz and Sullivan.

DJ_Convoy · Post by **DJ_Convoy** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:49 pm

Absolute highest point for US...? Maybe roughly issue 60 to 80 (with a few missteps here and there).

UK...? I dunno... does it get better than Target 2006? Time Wars is fantastic, but sort of a last gasp, really.

Hook2 · Post by **Hook2** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:42 pm

Karl wrote:It's interesting since imo the comic high points don't necessarily correlate to the high points in the franchise as a whole. The comic is almost best when it's ignored and left to it's own devices.

I'd say the comic high point was late 80s; after Simon Furman hit his stride.

The toyline however I'd say has probably hit it about now. Good models coming out of Japan with some great designs, rather than the clunky early stuff from the late 70s and the plastic bricks from the 80s.

Slight tangent there, my appologies.

Tangents welcome!

Hook2 · Post by **Hook2** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:43 pm

bumblemusprime wrote:G2 is my favorite but I have to agree with Spidey. Highest ratio of originality, fun and sheer storytelling power. Some fantastic art as well from Senior, Wildman. Staz and Sullivan.

I am so screwed for never having been able to read this. Everyone loves it and I never even saw it on stands in the town where I live!

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:51 pm

Hook2 wrote:
bumblemusprime wrote:G2 is my favorite but I have to agree with Spidey. Highest ratio of originality, fun and sheer storytelling power. Some fantastic art as well from Senior, Wildman. Staz and Sullivan.
I am so screwed for never having been able to read this. Everyone loves it and I never even saw it on stands in the town where I live!

You did at least get the trades, right?

Hook2 · Post by **Hook2** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:53 pm

bumblemusprime wrote:
Hook2 wrote:
bumblemusprime wrote:G2 is my favorite but I have to agree with Spidey. Highest ratio of originality, fun and sheer storytelling power. Some fantastic art as well from Senior, Wildman. Staz and Sullivan.
I am so screwed for never having been able to read this. Everyone loves it and I never even saw it on stands in the town where I live!
You did at least get the trades, right?

NO!

I feel so cheated! Where can you get the trades?

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:59 pm

Um... everywhere?

Titan trades are called Dark Designs and Rage in Heaven.

To get the related tie-ins in GI Joe/UK stories/"Ghosts" prelude, you'll have to look around for scans. But the main story is easily obtained through Amazon for 20-something bucks.

Hook2 · Post by **Hook2** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:10 pm

bumblemusprime wrote:Um... everywhere?

Titan trades are called Dark Designs and Rage in Heaven.

To get the related tie-ins in GI Joe/UK stories/"Ghosts" prelude, you'll have to look around for scans. But the main story is easily obtained through Amazon for 20-something bucks.

Wow...

Yeah, I feel that stupid.

DJ_Convoy · Post by **DJ_Convoy** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:33 pm

Or buy the actual issues- but costs fluctuate wildly.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:30 pm

For me, I would say Budiansky Marvel US #5 through #25.

That was like pure joy for me.

DJ_Convoy · Post by **DJ_Convoy** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:00 pm

That actually is some great stuff. Megatron/Ratchet- Optimus gunning down Autobots under the influence of the wrong head... Brick Springstern... Blaster on Cybertron...

And how come the goddamn Mechanic never returned?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:10 am

Uk T2006 - for me it's the pinnacle (zenith) it blended everything I wanted from TF.
It has a large dose of off world action, which allows my sic-fi mind to roam cybertron, mixed with the concept of future TF it allures to the 'what if' scenarios of my mind. When I first read it TF movie hadn't been released and so galley and co were unknowns, the private in joke about starscream was wonderful!
The cast is varied and with OP put of the picture, better off for it.
Not to mention the wreckers... They really opened up TF for me, the suggestion that what we see of TF on earth isn't the half of it, cybertron has so much to give, exotic alt modes, a TF pub and politics.

It's awesome, new and powerful in every way.

I could harp on about the art all day but I Galvy riding Magnus down the free way is ******* amazing, larger than life, death incarnate vs the paladin, ablaze!!! As u can tell, 25 years on I still thinks it's magnificent in all it's glory!

If I could wipe my mind to read it again fresh I would do it in an instant, and thus it's a poison chalice. I don't think the comic could hit this point again. it was the equivalent of "no Luke, I am your father" u can't pull that trick twice. Sure there are other great moments but none that made my young self dream so much...

'They were the dream'

They were and still are my dream, I'll read it later tonight before bed!

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:27 am

The bit in the cartoon where Megatron remembers he has invisibility spray. Absolute comedy gold.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:41 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
'They were the dream'

They were and still are my dream

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:51 pm

Yaya wrote:For me, I would say Budiansky Marvel US #5 through #25.

That was like pure joy for me.

Really? That makes no sense to me as #1-#4 really weren't that bad, and I don't see how #24 can be included in any "Best of" List.

I would probably have to go with bumble and Spidey as far as Furman's Run (US) and G2. But if I were to whittle down Furman's Run into the PEAK of the peak, I would probably put it from 60-75, right after Megs and Ratchet blow up together and ending when Unicron gets Marix indigestion.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:14 pm

Shanti418 wrote:
Yaya wrote:For me, I would say Budiansky Marvel US #5 through #25.

That was like pure joy for me.
Really? That makes no sense to me as #1-#4 really weren't that bad, and I don't see how #24 can be included in any "Best of" List.

I loved #25, so I just included the span from #5-#25.

If I were to point out where I think it peaked for me, it was issues #7 through #19. Warrior School. Repeat Performance. Devestator! Prime trashes the entire Decepticon army after almost a year as a bobblehead. Return to Cybertron. Omega!

God, I loved those days.

DJ_Convoy · Post by **DJ_Convoy** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:15 pm

Omega jacking up Decepticons is always great.