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Over the last 25 years the Transformers have appeared in media from the exquisite to the scribbled and been licensed to the responsible and the... Pat Lee. Discussion of all the branches of TF media within!

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Post by Professor Smooth » Mon May 30, 2011 1:01 pm

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Professor Smooth wrote: The message of the book is something like: Being a Decepticon is bad. But the Autobots aren't right, either. Because war is bad. And you can be forgiven for evil acts. Peace isn't always the right answer. And you can use (hyper) violence when necessary. Especially when slavery is involved. And drift-racing is a good way to, I don't know, clear your head?
That statement cracked me up.
Thanks. As far as internet complaining goes, I think it should at least attempt to be entertaining. There's enough bitching in the real world to keep anybody busy.
Best First wrote: I think the last few pages of Drift may be the most dreadful thing i have ever seen - mainly because it forces you to confront the reality that you share a planet with at least one person who thought that was a cool way to end a story.

And that is not a planet i want to live on man.

That's a good point. The dude's name is DRIFT. We GET IT!
Best First wrote: The things that bugged me most about Drift were;
- Homeless guy, which generally implies you are a bit decrepid, somehow has mad fighting skills
Ever see "Bumfights," I wonder? If not, please don't.
Best First wrote: - The whole disobeying orders thing - would be fine if the order in question was not so stupid
Exactly. The order could have been to "kill all Aubots," and Drift could have gone against that. "No honor in senseless slaughter," "no challenge," "leave some alive to spread the word of how badass we are." All would have been acceptable, kind of cool, and not kept any sensible reader from judging the character as irredeemable. When you start killing the good guys for the hell of it, against the orders of a Decepticon, you're not going to be treated with kindness by anybody. Not the Autobots. And not the readers.

- Once again the only way to try and make the con's sympathetic is to make out the 'bots are not really the good guys
Best First wrote: - the fact Megatron has to play a direct role in his origin, and that Deadlock is important to Megatron - bad fanfic 101
Agreed. Some random Decepticon sways him the cause? That makes sense? Being one of Megatron's heretofore unheard of first recruits? Like I said before, he might as well be a female seeker/gestalt limb.
Best First wrote: - His conversion, as you say, has no resonance to it at all, he may as well have gone on Celebrity Rehab
- The Autobots should have shot him on sight
Drift was a completely new character. They could have easily given him a backstory that would fit a Decepticon-turned-Autobot. Instead, they made him the most evil Decepticon EVER and then gave him a change of heart when confronted with...what, exactly? But he was a characters SPECIFICALLY CREATED to be a Decepticon turned Autobot. You know why we never got to see Dinobot do anything Predacon-y before joining the Maximals? Because people ARE NOT PRONE TO FORGIVENESS. So showing us Deadlock obliterating Autobots is not something anybody, not the readers, not the Autobots, not anybody who has ever had a conflict with anybody, ever, is going to forgive.
Best First wrote: As you say, it's basically a waste of comics
Waste of a comic. And money.

This is one of those times where the internet's negativity has led us to ruin. Since EVERYTHING is met with overwhelming negativity, criticisms of things like this are swept under the rug. But they are legit criticisms. Drift doesn't need to be hilariously terrible. You could get a lot of milage out of the character. As they did already, with DINOBOT (and Marvel's Scorpinok before him). It's just that everything about this character is done poorly. Much like Spike, Drift seems to be pandering to an audience that doesn't read comic books...or exist.
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Post by Hot Shot » Mon May 30, 2011 2:37 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:Ever see "Bumfights," I wonder? If not, please don't.
Isn't that like, homeless people scissoring? :o

No, I don't have anything constructive to add.
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Post by Sunyavadin » Tue May 31, 2011 1:17 am

You want Decepticons having a change of heart and really becoming sympathetic characters in a believable way?

One word for you.

Survivors.
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When I picture Simon Furman's direct ancestor, squatting in dingy furs, singing songs about the glory of the Saxon tribe, I imagine him as the very first to gather his buddies around the campfire and say "There was this dude named Beowulf..."

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Post by Professor Smooth » Tue May 31, 2011 1:27 am

Sunyavadin wrote:You want Decepticons having a change of heart and really becoming sympathetic characters in a believable way?

One word for you.

Survivors.
???
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Post by Sunyavadin » Tue May 31, 2011 10:33 am

Professor Smooth wrote:
Sunyavadin wrote:You want Decepticons having a change of heart and really becoming sympathetic characters in a believable way?

One word for you.

Survivors.
???
Over an extended period of time, Carnivac and co. had to work with the remaining Wreckers. As a result, by this point, you have a Decepticon whose sense of warrior's honour conflicts with his orders, and he chooses to go with that. He tries to strike out on his own, not agreeing with the Autobot philosophy either, but they come to his aid when he needs them, as it's what the good guys do. Eventually, in the Earthforce followup stories, he ends up displaying traits the Autobots respect, and they come to accept him as one of their own, but he retains much of his Decepticon mindset, and this is all FAR more believable than anything we got with Drift.
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When I picture Simon Furman's direct ancestor, squatting in dingy furs, singing songs about the glory of the Saxon tribe, I imagine him as the very first to gather his buddies around the campfire and say "There was this dude named Beowulf..."

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Post by Professor Smooth » Tue May 31, 2011 10:34 am

Sunyavadin wrote:
Professor Smooth wrote:
Sunyavadin wrote:You want Decepticons having a change of heart and really becoming sympathetic characters in a believable way?

One word for you.

Survivors.
???
Over an extended period of time, Carnivac and co. had to work with the remaining Wreckers. As a result, by this point, you have a Decepticon whose sense of warrior's honour conflicts with his orders, and he chooses to go with that. He tries to strike out on his own, not agreeing with the Autobot philosophy either, but they come to his aid when he needs them, as it's what the good guys do. Eventually, in the Earthforce followup stories, he ends up displaying traits the Autobots respect, and they come to accept him as one of their own, but he retains much of his Decepticon mindset, and this is all FAR more believable than anything we got with Drift.
Wow. That's awesome. I either haven't read that (unlikely) or just skimmed it years ago (sadly, kind of likely). Do...do you have issue numbers? ;)
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Post by bumblemusprime » Tue May 31, 2011 2:09 pm

"Way of the Warrior" and "Earthforce" down at the bottom here:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Titan_Books
Best First wrote:I didn't like it. They don't have mums, or dads, or children. And they turn into stuff. And they don't eat Monster Munch or watch Xena: Warrior Princess. Or do one big poo in the morning and another one in the afternoon. I bet they weren't even excited by and then subsequently disappointed by Star Wars Prequels. Or have a glass full of spare change near their beds. That they don't have.

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Post by Yaya » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:24 am

Huh. Surprised by how Guido's work here, coloring some AHM in 80's style ink pixelation, really takes me back.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... -81/21967/

Is it just me, or do you guys feel nostalgic looking at this too?
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Post by Best First » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:54 am

Where have you been for the last ten years?

We feel nostalgic all the time.

That is soopah though.
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Post by DJ_Convoy » Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:00 pm

Sure, it tugged at what remains of my heart strings a little.
For now, it seems like IDW wants my money.

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:57 pm

I love that artwork!
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Post by KingMob » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:44 am

This thread was so good it inspired me to find some of the IDW TF comics I didn't get and read 'em. There's no point going into details really, but so far the most interesting thing to occur to me (other than being stunned by LSotW, obv) was that I somehow (tiredness and spectacular lack of interest) jumped straight from AHM#1 to AHM#6. And - other than wondering where Kup and co came from, then figuring they were just hiding in the back in the previous issue, after all hardly anything in AHM#1 made sense in light of what I knew had previously happened - didn't notice that I'd missed 4 issues of plot.

Probably because after I did notice and read the missing issues, I discovered that there wasn't one.

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Post by DJ_Convoy » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:03 pm

Telling when you skip an issue (or issues) and nothing has happened.

I was getting sick of Brian Michael Bendis, a few years back... but I actually hadn't dropped any of his books yet. My comic shop missed an issue of Daredevil... and I didn't notice. Around the same time, production woes left a page out of an issue of Powers. I didn't notice.

Dropped.
For now, it seems like IDW wants my money.

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Post by KingMob » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:39 am

DJ_Convoy wrote:Around the same time, production woes left a page out of an issue of Powers. I didn't notice.
I remember that. Bendis even somewhat shamefacedly admitted that most people just kept on reading without noticing, and that some people said the scene was better with the page missing! I think he slightly toned down his habit of having 6 page long non-sequitur based conversations as a result.

Anyway, I've caught up (mostly) with where IDW is at now. I'm sure I'm not saying anything even remotely new or controversial, but holy **** guys, these are some pretty bad comics, yo.

Jazz straight-up killed a dude. Possibly with his flamethrower. It looked kind of burny. Maybe it was just **** art. I know we live in the age of 'take something old and make it EXTREME' (tho I had hoped that had perished with DW) but there's kind of a difference between making an (understandable) mistake and it have the dire consequence of sparkplug having a heart-attack and straight up burning a cop to death.

At least there was a lot of consequence after it and some amazing character pieces and dialogue tho, so it was worth including such a shocking scene!
...oh.

Yeah. There's no actual story to this. There's no point here other than to make an ongoing narrative that features the Transformers and that has shooting and humans in it. I suppose you could kind of say that it shows that the Good Guys aren't good and that everyone's an unstable selfish wank inside, but I'm not sure whether that was intentional, and even if so, I don't think that is the most appropiate theme to use on this material. I presume the writer 'knows what he is doing and where it is going' or some ****, but it's just thing happening after thing and dozens of subplots.

And of those spinning sub-plots, most of them are crap. I know all **** comic-book writers do this, and why would they read what came before, but having too much on the go for too long, with too long gaps in between them, and not explaining enough of it, is something that's critically damaged TF comics in the past.

TF artists need to be pressured by the editor to follow the current character designs and not randomly change them. Artistic expression, I know, and comics have always had this problem, but in TFs it's a fundamental part of the property; these guys look the way they do for a reason that's intergral to the core concept of the book, not just 'because'.

The whole Galvatron as an agent of an Other Force/let's unite to fight an amorphous generic kill/eat/absorb/destroy everything super-threat needs to [composite word including 'f*ck'] the [composite word including 'f*ck'] off and never come back ever again ever, ever.

Got bored of fight scenes being someone dominating someone else before being saved by a timely intervention that was often a shot to the back. Bad construction. Too much mindless action in general.

What I like best so far is that the way the writer allows his best friend/partner/old fandom buddy to have sole creative control over the character of Thundercracker. I mean, some people might object to allowing someone with no actual writing talent and cringe-inducing stereotypical fan conceptions of what to do with a character free reign over their published adventures, but I think its swell that the writer loves someone so much that he allows them to get their fan-fic published.

There was good stuff.
There was a joke in AHM that properly got me laughing (the one about who'd be so bored to stare a console on the of-chance that a light would blink for 1/1000th of a second).
Alex Milne got about 80% better as a comics artist during the run, which makes me genuinely happy.
That Prowl Is A Prick story was solid gold.
Wreckers was a delight from start to finish.
Some of the char designs are fantastic.

Oh god I ranted. I'm so, so sorry.
But I feel a lot better now.

And the last two issues were some of the best TF comics I've ever read.
So I'm glad I came back here to see if the London guys were ok.

There's probably a moral there. Or something.

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Post by Best First » Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:24 pm

no need to apologise - it's a good summary of how a lot of us have felt for the last x years.
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