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Post by spiderfrommars » Thu May 26, 2011 6:53 pm

So, in Final Transformations Optimus Prime sends Hotspot, an Aerialbot, a Triggerbot, a Throttlebot, a Minibot and a cassette tape to defeat Megatron. Eh?

It's like Furman just gave Hama a random bunch of TFs he was allowed to kill.

Practically all of them do get wasted, dying either heroically or horrifically.

Megatron has apparently learnt how to trigger sub-nuclear explosions. Handy. Why doesn't he use it all the time then?

Spike's back, somewhat spoiling the lovely ending he got in The Last Autobot. *sigh*

It's nice that the bravery of a mere machine, Override, makes Biggles-Jones give herself up. It's just a shame that he's written like... a mere machine.

Mistakes!
Chase should be red, not white.
There's at least one Autobot unaccounted for. The Joes use the plural when talking about sneaking them on the Ark. And it can't be Max.
inflatable dalek wrote:You can sort of tell they had to use the thumbscrews on him to do the G2 crossover.
Yeah, definitely. Still, it's better than any of the Dreamwave, Devil's Due or IDW crossovers I suppose.

Actually, was there an IDW crossover? Did I imagine that?

But writing these things is always a lose/lose situation. Joe fans don't want big alien robots in their comics and TF fans don't want their favourite characters written like overly-verbose toasters.

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Post by Best First » Thu May 26, 2011 10:02 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:So, in Final Transformations Optimus Prime sends Hotspot, an Aerialbot, a Triggerbot, a Throttlebot, a Minibot and a cassette tape to defeat Megatron. Eh?
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Best First wrote:
spiderfrommars wrote:So, in Final Transformations Optimus Prime sends Hotspot, an Aerialbot, a Triggerbot, a Throttlebot, a Minibot and a cassette tape to defeat Megatron. Eh?
http://www.transformersfanfic.com/views ... &chapter=1

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Post by bumblemusprime » Thu May 26, 2011 10:20 pm

Karl wrote:
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spiderfrommars wrote:So, in Final Transformations Optimus Prime sends Hotspot, an Aerialbot, a Triggerbot, a Throttlebot, a Minibot and a cassette tape to defeat Megatron. Eh?
http://www.transformersfanfic.com/views ... &chapter=1

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Post by spiderfrommars » Fri May 27, 2011 6:17 pm

War Without End...

From the first page this is already all kinds of awesome. The scripting, the artwork, even that supercool lettering with all the little coloured triangles and squares. And Yaniger is a revelation. Out of all the Marvel artists to work on Transformers US I put him second, after Senior and above Wildman. And we've never seen a Transformer like Jhiaxus before. Just who the hell is this guy? My interest is truly piqued.

The Transformers that the Firestormer party take out are all really interesting and weird looking. Shame we don't see anything like them after this first issue.

But it's already living up to the promise on the front cover: 'This is Not Your Father's Autobot'. These 'bots are mean dudes, machine gunning down their enemies with relish, taking no prisoners.

Really, future G2 issues would have benefitted from focusing on this crack team. Instead Furman's attention will wander to the rest of the toyline. Also, the idea that these 'bots are badder than ever, that their morals have become watered down, well that's another theme that is quickly forgotten.

Hound's the odd one out. He's the only Autobot who seems concerned with the code. Blades even threatens him quite harshly. Again, forgotten later. G2 is promising so much at this point.

Grimlock's entrance is jaw-dropping. He crushes a Decepticon whilst in dino mode, breathing fire. Who cares that the Actionmaster thing has been conveniently forgotten when we get scenes this cool? He shows the same wisdom he had at the end of G1 too. He even inspires Prime at one point (all their scenes together are splendid - it seems they had so few in G1).

Optimus Prime's vision is nicely vivid and nasty. He's "standing in an ocean of corpses." This will become important later.

I love the page with all the ex-Decepticon leaders (even Ratbat has a random cameo later). It creates a pang of nostalgia and the first concrete evidence that this is the same continuity.

The first big revelation: After winning the war at the end of G1 some Autobots chose to fight on. Not so peace-loving after all.

There's a ******* incredible picture of G2 Megatron on Earth. One single panel has a thousand times the excitement of the entire Joe crossover.

The Cybertronian Decepticons' massive spaceship looks super cool. So was its name once, but Twilight now just makes me think of wet vampires.

The second big revelation: "You fought in a strange microcosm, a universe within a universe." I remember the penny dropping for me with the Straxus flashback and a feeling of "Holyyyyy ****." In one swift stroke Furman turned everything we knew about the TFs upside down. This was bigger than anything we'd seen before.

And Jhiaxus is just fascinating. He talks of lesser races and sees no distinction between Autobots and Decepticons.

The prison break out is a top notch sequence. It's exciting and pacy and brutal (lots of exploding head shots!). And I like all the Star Trek type technobabble dialogue on the ship's bridge as the damage updates come in. Scenes like this were new to Transformers.

And then we're left with "something far worse than the Decepticons" on its way. Jeez, after all that there's more?! I'm sold. Where do I sign up?

The new Autobot/Decepticon symbols are obviously not as good as the old ones. But they mark a new era and I can let it slide.

To conclude, G1 #1 is one of the best single issues of Transformers ever. It's close to a standalone masterpiece, Furman did so much with it. The next couple of issues falter a bit, and its core themes didn't last the full 12 issues, but this, right here, is stupendous.
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Post by bumblemusprime » Sat May 28, 2011 12:15 am

I tend to think, spiraling off that News thread, that G1 was what Dreamwave wished so desperately it could be. It was edgy because it pushed the boundaries of what we thought about TFs. It was violent and fast-paced but the action always served the plot. It was an "event" book in which, well, events happened.
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Post by The Last Autobot » Sun May 29, 2011 10:00 am

I liked that Sideswipe took a more important role in this first issue, than in most g1.
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Post by Best First » Sun May 29, 2011 10:02 am

spiderfrommars wrote:
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Post by spiderfrommars » Sun May 29, 2011 11:24 am

After G2's brilliant first issue, All or Nothing feels like a mistep as the action relocates to Earth.

It goes without saying that Yaniger's Megatron again looks amazing. And finally we have dialogue that sounds just right for him. "The universe itself will tremble!" I believe you Megs.

But things take a big downturn as Galan takes over art duties. Manny's brief is obviously to make it look as similar to Yaniger's art as possible and hope nobody notices, but this just makes things worse. It has none of the grit or energy and the clumsily drawn fight between Megatron and Max verges on awful.

Just how exactly did issue 2 of a brand new comic end up being shared by four/five different artists? It boggles the mind. The hotchpotch end result is a bit of a disaster after the strong visual identity of the first issue.

There's some nice violent scenes on the pages drawn by the Wildman/Baskerville combo though (why did these guys give G2 such a wide berth?)

Then Hotspot blows himself up and this is where the story really starts to go bananas. In quick succession Spike, Fort Max and the Ark are destroyed. These are icons of Transformers lore and seem nonchalantly swept aside by Furman for no good reason at all. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth. What's worse is Max dies for nothing, as Megs survives without a scratch.

Starking's original lettering style on this series - surely this stuff is groundbreaking? Digital lettering didn't really take off for another 10 years or so did it?

Spike says Megatron is worse than ever but they've never actually met.

Why does Skydive think a human trashed Max? Plus if he'd been paying attention he'd know that Spike was Maxie's binary bonded partner.

Starscream is being repaired, so how come he cameoed in Gi Joe #138? Perhaps Megs is making additional enhancements?

Moving onto Ghosts. This was inexplicably not reprinted in the Titan TPB. Excuding anything drawn by Senior seems nuts to me.

It's a bit of a throwaway yes, but the back up strip here is better than the main one, with more cohesive art, expansive atmosphere, a nice line in humour and no ransacking of the series' past. Bludgeon's faction is re-established and doesn't Optimus Prime look kinda badass with an ammunition belt? Seeing Senior back was such a treat.
bumblemusprime wrote:I tend to think, spiraling off that News thread, that G1 was what Dreamwave wished so desperately it could be.
I don't think Dreamwave had read any of the Marvel comics to be honest.

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Post by DJ_Convoy » Mon May 30, 2011 1:46 am

Starkings and some others were starting to use computer lettering but maybe not to the extent we see here with different fonts for everyone... but he was using a computer generated font of his own lettering style for a while. Heck, I think John Byrne, of all people was using computer lettering in the late 80's or early 90's!

That being said, whilst I like Starkings as a letterer, and enjoy some of Comicraft's stuff... I don't really dig this style... Altho' I do feel like it gets across that these are robotic voices, so that's something.
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Post by DJ_Convoy » Mon May 30, 2011 1:50 am

Oh, and additionally? I love stuff that Senior does, like the ammo belt (with the "correct" Autobot symbol- none of this G2 stuff) and, of course, BIG GRIM!!!
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Post by bumblemusprime » Mon May 30, 2011 4:41 pm

Just how exactly did issue 2 of a brand new comic end up being shared by four/five different artists? It boggles the mind. The hotchpotch end result is a bit of a disaster after the strong visual identity of the first issue.
Such was the early 90s. At the time it seemed like any lesser-known book with good art would lose its artists to higher-profile books in a matter of one or two issues.
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Post by spiderfrommars » Tue May 31, 2011 5:18 pm

In Primal Fear Galan's artwork again comes up short. Imitating Yaniger has put him right out of his comfort zone. And Manny, mate, tone down the wires!

Doesn't it seem a bit soon to have Optimus Prime and Jhiaxus go head to head? Would've been nice to build up some anticipation before the confrontation with the new Big Bad. And it's a fight that never really catches fire and before we know it Prime's talked him round with one of his speeches.

Furman's ripping off his own work (Distant Thunder) with the lifeforms feeding off emotions. But we do get some revealing new aspects to Jhiaxus - he has sadistic tendencies he's forced to suppress.

With Old Evils we get the second consecutive issue where the back up outshines the main strip. Yaniger's work is first rate - he's right at home drawing the weird and wonderful alien characters and he makes Bludgeon look like something that's stepped right out of a horror comic. The Warworld is also a fine and memorable creation.

I love the way these aliens are presented to us like they're big, mean and very nasty, only for them to be revealed as a flyspeck compared to the Decepticons.

So it does a lot to make up for the comic's main event, but G2 needs to find its feet quick IMO.
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The warnings were there from the start. In his article on the Transmissions page in issue 1 Furman wrote something like "I just hope we can hold on to him!" referring to Yaniger. Not a chance mate.

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Post by spiderfrommars » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:53 am

Devices and Desires is more like it. Yes, Galan's work is still disappointing (his version of Prime's visions has nowhere near the menace of Yaniger's) but as Grimlock takes the fight to the Decepticons the excitement ratchets up.

Is there discontentment with Prime's leadership in the Autobot ranks? Kup admits he'd rather be with Grimlock than stuck back at Autobase. But Grimlock goes on to make another of his gaffs, proving Prime was right all along. Prime ends up saving the day and is oddly upbeat, not giving Grimlock a hard time over wasting Autobot lives.

There's an interesting hint that Grimlock's pride was dented when he turned to Prime for help in issue 1. In other words he's overcompensating with his dangerous mission here which makes it all the worse. From a story standpoint that's fine. Grim is far from a perfect character and is prone to mistakes though he does seem to learn from them. He is, now, a trusted second in command. (in the old days when the Dinobots were sidelined this role would fall to Prowl or Jazz or Ratchet or someone).

As for those deaths: Red Alert's is strangely affecting considering it's his first appearance in the US comic. By the time Mirage gets blasted it's become clear that Furman will be randomly wiping out some of our favourite characters in this series. Yes, war doesn't play favourites and anyone can die, but the feeling will persist that some of these characters deserve better.

And there's plenty of Protectobots glimpsed in this issue. I wonder if they've been informed of their leader's needless death yet? No more Defensor...

The scene with a captured spaceship transmitting codes to sneak by the mothership is nicked straight out of Return of the Jedi.

We get the first mention of the Leige Maximo. You just know if we ever find out who this guy is he's going to be badass. There's someone bigger and badder than Jhiaxus? Golly.

One positive thing I'd like to say about Galan is the way he draws no two Cybertronian Decepticons the same. There must be 30+ of them depicted in this issue and each and every one has a slightly different design. It's a nice attention to detail and marks them out as individuals rather than just stormtroopers (perhaps this goes against Furman's vision but I don't mind). Also hilariously, in several issues Galan draws a Decepticon with a Morissey hairstyle. Another reason why I'm warming to the guy.

There's an entertaining Autobot fight back on the shuttle and then the story ends rather suddenly with the rescue. It makes me miss the G1 format of one story per issue instead of two.

That said, at least Tales of Earth Part 1 is another blistering showcase for Yaniger's talents. Whether depicting Bludgeon or Megatron or the scorched Earth, this stuff brings home how deadly the stakes are becoming. And as Starscream shows up you realise G2 is about to get a whole lot more fun...

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Post by spiderfrommars » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:21 pm

Now that #81 has been announced I better finish off the rest of G2 before it's vanquished from continuity forever. Or is that what will happen? One thing it will be, continuing on from G1, is a chance to get everything right first time. For all its brilliance, G2 was let down by some rushed scripting and art decisions in the end.

It's apt that G2 #5, The Power and the Glory, is such a pivotal issue in Transformers lore. Bio-morphic reproduction eh? Who saw that coming? New ideas from Furman are coming thick and fast in this series. That image of a bulging mass bursting out of another TF is weird and yucky and sort of genius though I suspect not everyones cup of tea. It's another tumble down the rabbit hole and suddenly the 'Generation 2' in the title takes on a new meaning.

The idea that the TFs did not rise as one "but in stages" is brilliant, though The Swarm does feel like Furman is just trying to invent a new Big Bad, one worse than Unicron though the M.O. is similar. But it is creepy and pretty unpleasant.

Whilst Galen's art really has settled down by now it's monumentally disappointing to see him replace Yaniger on Tales of Earth this issue. The fight isn't too great either - it feels disrespectful having Bludgeon destroyed in less than three pages, however awesome Megatron is.

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Post by bumblemusprime » Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:09 pm

The opening story, even with Galan's art, was a total mindblower. I was so amazed that Furman still had it and could totally rock my brain even when I was 14, as opposed to when I was 9.

But yeah, Yaniger was born to draw that fight between Bludgeon and Megatron. Sucks that Galan did it.
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Post by spiderfrommars » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:06 pm

I'm not a big fan of The Gathering Darkness. Sure, it has good bits: the Decepticons laying waste to the Earth, human deaths, the White House in ruins ("a strategically unimportant piece of ground" according to Starscream, heh), Soundwave and other old faces return to the limelight (including Prowl, though his scene with Grimlock lacks the zing of late G1-era), we get to see just how deadly the Swarm is and there's an all time great quote in "Hush. Darkness gathers."

But at the centre of it all is the damp squib of the Megatron/Optimus Prime confrontation. Yes, Megatron is stupendously powerful, and yes, Prime is not looking for a fight, but he doesn't get a single punch in during the ruck and it's topped off with Megatron raping him for the Matrix (seriously, check the scene again - his chest covering is ripped off, his mouth smothered whilst a gang of 'cons look on) in a scene more Jimmy McGovern than Jimmy Pink.

In any case the Matrix was an overused plot device, even back in the 90s.
bumblemusprime wrote: Yaniger was born to draw that fight between Bludgeon and Megatron. Sucks that Galan did it.
And his art opens issue 6, really getting the hopes up! So much of G2's visual style seems to be his doing, it's a shame the book is mainly other people interpreting it. And in this one, without warning, Galan takes up the reigns after six pages. It's his most rushed looking issue too. (In the TPB introduction he talks of how he once had to hand in 22 pages in less than a week - poor guy).

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Post by spiderfrommars » Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:42 pm

New Dawn reminds us that at its roots G2 is still very much a toy comic, as Megatron's new Decepticons plunge into action, all rotor force and laser rods, whilst late era G1ers buy the farm (Skullgrin, Quake, Stranglehold, Octopunch, Crankcase).

Megs gets some badass moments (executing a surrendering alien on sight) and Starscream's back to his scheming ways (back then it didn't feel old hat).

It's nice to get a 'con-centric issue and the massive Decepticon Vs Decepticon battle here is of Battle of Endor proportions. But it's let down by the Jhiaxus/Megatron fight at the end of it. Like a lot of G2 punch ups it's one-sided and a bit illogical.

But it's cool the way the Rheanimum in this issue popped up to play a big part in issue 12 long after we'd forgotten about it.

Meanwhile Tales of Earth this issue is just padding, but it's beautifully drawn padding with some really cool flashbacks (Repeat Performance! Gone but not Forgotten! Skin Deep! The Price of Life! Yaniger even makes Afterdeath look cool). And the final page is jaw-dropping. Literally in fact, with Yaniger channeling the Terminator when realising Megatron's emaciated robot form. Awesome.

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Post by spiderfrommars » Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:37 pm

G2 issue 8, with Prime and Megatron side by side and knee deep in Cybertronians, has to be one of the best Transformers covers of all time. Definitely in my top five.

Escalation starts with a three page monologue by Jhiaxus. He does like to go on. Who is he speaking to anyway? But we learn he is 'Liege Centuro' and thus has some connection to the mysterious and yet to be seen Liege Maximo.

Tales of Earth sees the last TF strip work for Yaniger. Oh, what could have been. Brilliant work again, his panels of a skeletal Megatron are mesmerising.

The aliens on Ethos are something of a first for TF comics: one-eyed telepathic pink and blue liquid-computer jellyfish. I like 'em.

More kills in this issue. Goodbye Smokescreen and Inferno. Can't remember if Ironhide lives to fight another day but he takes some hits here.

This could well be the most action packed issue so far as the 'bots and 'cons unleash hell on the Cybertronians. Contrast that with an understated but just as effective ending: "Starscream is missing".

Megatron did get fixed a bit quick though didn't he?

I remember being gutted that after reading such a great issue the letters page then dropped the bombshell that the comic was cancelled and would end at issue 12. Somehow I'd been swept along and had convinced myself the Transformers were here to stay.

Turned out they are! Not that I knew that then.

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Post by bumblemusprime » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:00 am

Yaniger was like William Johnson, with a slightly larger output. I could have watched him draw the comic for years and been mesmerized every time. Nobody is quite like him, although he was very Senior and Sullivan-like in his strengths.
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Post by spiderfrommars » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:04 am

Onto issue 9, which starts with a continuity gaff as Megatron's armour is wrecked again, despite having been seemingly repaired last issue.

Lots of nice touches in this issue.

1) What appears to be another vision of apocalypse by Prime turns out to be reality.
2) The Transformers are depicted as the giants they should be. The lifeforms of Karn are pretty much gnats to be squashed in the wake of the G2 Deceps.
3) Subtle hints that the Cybertronians see them as just that too. Mindset doubts their ability of even basic thought whilst, unawares, destroying a wall covered in runes and hieroglyphics.

This issue also devotes a mammoth 10 pages to the plight of the G2'ers as they get laid waste to by The Swarm. It's a creepy, silent, gross thing too, especially when it tries imitating people or suddenly growing teeth.

Again, Starscream's machinations play havoc with events. I like it - he's at his best in G2.

Things of note:

1) First instance of a G2 combiner in this issue I think. Two 'cons become one ship.
2) Who the heck is the Great Xal?
3) I bet Furman was chuckling to himself when he invented the word fusilateralquinthrocombiner.
4) But what's the link between Onslaught and Mindset? Whilst the former was built on Earth and given life by the Matrix, the latter was presumably spawned.

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Post by Kaylee » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:56 am

Great discussion! To troll for a moment, if I may:
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That I can answer. Her full title is 'Great Aunt Xally'. She used to hang around with John Pertwee and look for cups of tea and slices of cake.

Thank you, thank you. That'll be all.

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Post by bumblemusprime » Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:58 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:Onto issue 9, which starts with a continuity gaff as Megatron's armour is wrecked again, despite having been seemingly repaired last issue.

Lots of nice touches in this issue.

1) What appears to be another vision of apocalypse by Prime turns out to be reality.
2) The Transformers are depicted as the giants they should be. The lifeforms of Karn are pretty much gnats to be squashed in the wake of the G2 Deceps.
3) Subtle hints that the Cybertronians see them as just that too. Mindset doubts their ability of even basic thought whilst, unawares, destroying a wall covered in runes and hieroglyphics.

This issue also devotes a mammoth 10 pages to the plight of the G2'ers as they get laid waste to by The Swarm. It's a creepy, silent, gross thing too, especially when it tries imitating people or suddenly growing teeth.

Again, Starscream's machinations play havoc with events. I like it - he's at his best in G2.

Things of note:

1) First instance of a G2 combiner in this issue I think. Two 'cons become one ship.
2) Who the heck is the Great Xal?
3) I bet Furman was chuckling to himself when he invented the word fusilateralquinthrocombiner.
4) But what's the link between Onslaught and Mindset? Whilst the former was built on Earth and given life by the Matrix, the latter was presumably spawned.
I think the Onslaught thing was meant to hint toward the LM's comment that he was Megatron's ancestor. Probably a fragment of Furman's original to make an ongoing series.

Don't know if anyone needs to be told... but UK threads need love too.
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Post by spiderfrommars » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:32 pm

Total War lives up to the title. Furman does well to keep up the intensity and originality of these mass battle scenes. He keeps upping the ante too, and this issue sees Jhiaxus send all his battalions into the fray.

Nice characterisation of the growing relationship between Prime and Megatron. They won't really get this much attention until the current ongoing with Roberts.

Manny Galan has got the hang of the art now. Some nice action scenes, though he still manages to spoil things on occasion. At one point Prime's head is so high on his wiry neck he looks like something out of The Thing.

But Senior's art is so awesome. Everything from the badass subcommander who dies within a page of his appearance to Grimlock with his bandana and 'Big Grim' painted on his arm.

And there's a crazy ending with Starscream doing his Underbase living weapon routine again. I'm glad I don't have to wait a month till the next issue.

By the way, that "Not!" Wayne's World gag at the top of the issue was not classy.

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Post by spiderfrommars » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:41 pm

When you compare the last page of issue 10 and the first of issue 11 - Starscream as Warworld - you realise the vast gulf in ability and imagination between the two artists. Still, Galan struggles gamefully on in a really fun issue that sees Jhiaxus go even more off the deep end and Megatron and Optimus starring in the best buddy movie that never was. I like the scene where Megatron saves Prime's life without even blinking. The script doesn't even draw attention to it. It just feels right.

You do wonder how they're going to get out of this one. A self-healing all-powerful Starscream seems unstoppable. I also wonder what Starscream plans to do once he's wiped out all the Transformers. Life as a Warworld could get dull pretty quick.

Rook reveals himself to have been a pretty smart customer all along. And he happens to have the Liege Maximo on speed dial. I've been wondering who/what the hell that is since issue 4.

Excitement levels start going off the scale when the Twilight turns up and Jhiaxus throws all his armadas and the kitchen sink at the Warworld. And that's where things go from 10 to 11. Furman blows up San Francisco!

And is there a cooler panel in a Transformers comic than that of the Twilight casting its shadow across the sun?

But the dropping of the nukes is a big WTF moment. Yes it brings hope the scale of the shitstorm everyone is in, but it's also the kind of thing Furman can only get away with because his comic's just got cancelled.

Prime's horror/guilt is nicely judged though, and the ending, with Starscream turning good and the Swarm making an entrance, perhaps cements this as an arc with more momentum and velocity than Furman has ever penned.

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Post by spiderfrommars » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:32 pm

A Rage In Heaven!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111

(Just realised it's taken me nearly a year to read the entirety of Marvel US G1 and G2)

First of all I want to give props to Manny Galan. Sure, he's totally mismatched to the material and he falls short again several times here (Prime regaining the matrix over Starscream's smoking body should have been an awesome splash page) but he manages to bring a sense of real excitement to the Transformers' last stand against The Swarm.

But that warm feeling this issue gives me is mainly thanks to endless moments of brilliance by Senior. His depictions of Starscream and Megatron together bring back great memories of Target 2006 and there's nobody better to depict the crumbling innards of the colossal Twilight or the full force of Jhiaxus' onslaught upon Prime (The Autobot leader's face shattering at Jhiaxus' punch is audacious to behold).

More great moments: Jhiaxus actually dying half way through the issue (in a death that riffs on Galvatron's in Time Wars and the Swarm's mimicry from Cameron's The Abyss). Megatron turning from villain to true hero (I wonder what would've been in store for him next?). An Autobot/Decepticon alliance you can really route for (Razorclaw's demise a jubilant scene). Starscream worried that the matrix might just have turned him into a nicer bloke long term. And Prime once again proving why he is probably the bravest Transformer in history when he actually allows The Swarm to eat him alive.

Sure, the matrix saves the day once again but there's a logic to The Swarm finding meaning through Primus' vision.

This conclusion hasn't got the rushed feeling that issue 80 had. Yes, Prime's last scenes skip along a bit quickly but on the whole you can see a lot of love has gone into this bumper-sized issue and the Leige Maximo's reveal at the end makes up for any small shortcomings.

That last panel leaves infinite possibilities for a story now ended. Only a fraction of the G2ers dead? The Liege Maximo the REAL enemy? He was created along with the first Prime? Megatron is HIS offspring?

If anything, that last piece of information hints that any Botcon alliance will be fragile at best and that this is no happy ending.

When I first read G2 it was amongst the most exciting, visceral comic reading experiences I'd ever had. Looking back with 17 years (!) of hindsight, I know I won't be brokenhearted if the new G1 #81 negates all this out of continuity. It now feels a little flawed, a little dated and very OTT. But we'll always have G2... a truly original piece of Transformers storytelling, and an astonishing action-packed curio that sits alongside the best of TFs.

One of my most abiding memories of the last issue was the final letters page. One fan bemoaned the fact that not only that TFs was ending, but Star Trek: The Next Generation was ending too. The "humorous" reply was that Star Trek was getting the movie treatment, Transformers wasn't.

Be careful what you wish for.

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Post by bumblemusprime » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:59 pm

A Rage in Heaven is, for somewhat sentimental reasons, my favorite single issue of any comic, ever. Senior's role as backup artist meant that he could spend more time on his detail than he had previously, so that the scenes in Twilight are shockingly vivid. Galan went out at the top of his game, pitiful game though it was. The poor guy tried.

I loved the ending--it seemed the best way to end something that already had a thriving cult community. Furman seemed to be handing the stories to us. "Here's the hint of 200-something more epic issues. Dream big."

I miss that a bit. The TF comic continuity was ours, a vivid, living thing, and the end of G2 was ours to interpret. Now we have monthly TF comics, but they are subject to the whims of money. We have merchandising. We have James Roberts, famous fanficker, now official! We have movies straight from the anus of Michael Bay. We don't really need to make our own stories.

And I want to make money off my own writing. Daddy needs to be a rich novelist. I don't bother with fanfic anymore. But I miss the feeling of owning the TFs, of having the moment of possibility.
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Post by Reflex » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:01 am

I'm just now reading the original 80 for the first time...
EVER.
In TPB.

I collected G2 when I discovered IDW and realized how kool the comics are.

Someday I might go after all the UK stuff.

Transformers is the only comic I bother with. It would be too consuming for me to read/ collect any others with the way I am, how I live, and what I do for a living.
I don't think I'd survive being a GI Joe, Superman, X-Men, Batman, Ironman, Spiderman, etc... fan. I'd turn into a villan against the creation teams and license holders for all the screw ups that don't do an icon justice.

And back to you, Bob!

In other news, Transformers are awesome.

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