Ongoing 11 preview

Post by **Best First** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:40 am

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... s/?a=22605

it's not dreadful so watch the IDW board light up with talk of turning points, etc etc

TC comes across well tho.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:09 am

So TC's now switched from being an F22 to an F15 to an F22 to an F15 again?

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:51 am

Okay. That was quite good.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:06 am

Professor Smooth wrote:Okay. That was quite good.

Not bad, but it could have been told in half the pages.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:31 am

Yeah, it's quite enjoyable, but it's also a 5th of your monthly dose.

Still, it's a billion % better than last months 'dock panto' preview

The biggest problem i have is that they need to find a way to draw a line under all the stupidity of the first 10 issues, as long as we are building on the illogical war is over premise, most characters acting in ways that make little sense, and Spike having a prominat role, things can only improve by so much, and that so much won't get anywhere close to the levels of quality i think the franchise deserves.

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:59 am

I've got a feeling that these first five pages will probably be the best part of the entire issue

Best First wrote:The biggest problem i have is that they need to find a way to draw a line under all the stupidity of the first 10 issues, as long as we are building on the illogical war is over premise, most characters acting in ways that make little sense, and Spike having a prominat role, things can only improve by so much, and that so much won't get anywhere close to the levels of quality i think the franchise deserves.

Didn't Costa already work everything out till issue 50?
I don't see the stupidity end anytime soon if he sticks to his original plans.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:23 pm

Yeah but i'm pretty sure Mr F has a 5 year plan as well...

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:32 pm

Best First wrote:Yeah but i'm pretty sure Mr F has a 5 year plan as well...

Post by **Best First** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:10 pm

Sorry... had.

Boo.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:51 pm

Only going to read this when I have issue 10, 11, and 12 all in hand.

Then the experience might actually last beyond the three minute mark.

Post by **snarl** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:57 pm

Looks *****.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:52 pm

Reading the topic over at IDW, this is aweome, I don't think I've seen these before: http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopi ... 799#203799

Otherwise it really does seem like a bunch of people agreeing with each other about how bad/decompressed comics are these days

Post by **snarl** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:34 pm

I don't know why anybody bothers to talk sense to the happy clappy twats over there.

IDW could draw Drift talking to his cock for 22 pages and 95% of the dipshits there would hoover it up. Him taking it out would probably encompass a whole 5 page preview.

I've probably just given them enough material for the 10 issues after the 50 already plotted.

"lol! TC <3 Bumblebee, aw!"

"Yeah, sure, it IS ****, but it's better than being killed in a Parisian tunnel so STOP moaning all the time, lol"

"GR8 CHARACTERIZATION, LOL!"

"I like it so stop continuously making valid comments that highlight the massive shortcoming and gaping holes in the flimsy material, because in doing so you're making it apparent to even an oblivious ******* **** like me that... Yep, I might be... probably am a thick as pig **** prat"

****s.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:21 am

I thought this summed up my feelings nicely:

It's not about decompression. The idea that "decompressed storytelling" is a new phenomenon is ridiculous. Jack Kirby and Stan Lee basically PIONEERED The concept for American concepts way back in their Fantastic Four run, when they started taking two, three or even four issues to tell a story instead of just cramming it all into one issue.

This isn't about decompression as a tool -- it's about basic comic book writing structure. The difference with the Budiansky issue isn't its age, its the fact that he employs basic, competent writing structure.

EAch page is a complete 'idea', each one flows into the next page, and they all are potential climactic points. Any given page of a comic book should be able to be a point where you can cut off the action.

I'll say it again, it's not about decompression. All decompression is, is a term for drawing a story out so that you can focus on the smaller details of the story. What that means is that you can show more of the action, and take time to show how things move from point a. to point b.

The point of decompression is NOT to give the reader less, it's to give the reader MORE.

What Costa is doing isn't decompression, it's stretching. It's padding. Padding an issue so that it will fit the page count is a sign of bad writing. What we're not getting here is more content, that's for sure. Guido's art isn't giving us detailed background or lots of characters moving around, or glimpses into the day-to-day. It's all 3/4 shots of the characters. They're very nice, but they feel like padding.

Padding can work, but this is the thinnest padding I've ever seen.

--Boltax.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:47 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:Reading the topic over at IDW, this is aweome, I don't think I've seen these before: http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopi ... 799#203799

Otherwise it really does seem like a bunch of people agreeing with each other about how bad/decompressed comics are these days

People who will buy said decompressed comics anyway, for that matter, thus making any of their complaints moot.

Sunyavadin · Post by **Sunyavadin** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:40 pm

If this actually turns out to be any good I *may* pick up the tpb.

Not getting my hopes up though.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:04 am

I love this line of discussion

"It's bad"

"Ah, but everything is bad, so shut up"

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:49 am

Best First wrote:I love this line of discussion

"It's bad"

"Ah, but everything is bad, so shut up"

I want that on a t-shirt.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:02 am

Sturgeon's Law in action?