The Cartoon sucks!

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:37 am

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pe-dan-tic adj. Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules: a pedantic attention to details. See also Brendocon.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:42 am

The Last Autobot wrote:The Japanese g1 shows were pretty decent imho.

Headmasters: Liked the action, and the masters personality were correctly handled.

Headmasters?!?

Really, I prefer to call it "The Daniel and Wheelie Show" guest starring Fortress Maximus. Those who never saw it, can't understand it, but those two are 100% more annoying there then in Season 3. Because, Wheelie thought he was a warrior and tried to behave like one... Bad idea.

Personalities correctly? Chromdome is a hotheaded warrior, opposed to the tech genius he should be. Highbrow is nowhere arrogant (Season 4 got him right at least). WEirdwolf and the Con headmasters are a joke.... SCorponok just sits on his ass all day and gloats. Fort Max is incompetent in everything (well, maybe that's in character for him, considering his comic career).

Only ones they got right were Sixshot (the whole series is worth watching because of him) and the Targetmaster leaders, Pointblank is a battle-hardened veteran sick of war, and Slugslinger is a braggart. Too bad they have so few appearances.

Oh, and Headmasters must be credited for letting the casettes talk! Yes, Ravage, Buzzsaw, Laserbeak and Ratbat all have lines.

Masterforce: The least Tf like tf show, although you care for the characters and their motivations. Metalhawk transform!

It was good, though Overlord (or rather, Mega and Giga) were ****** villains. I liked the Powermasters, and all in all the characters had distinct personalities, even if they were nothing like the US ones. I consider it an alternate version and enjoy it so (but it would have been much better to see Dreadwind and Darkwing all depressed and gloomy...)

Victory: A more intergalactic view of the war. Victory Saber!

Propably the best one (with the best translation so far). Too bad they mixed up Fixit and Stakeout.

Zone: Predaking in half. Dai Atlas transformation.

It makes little sense, especiall that weird villain, but if you like Micros (and I grew up on those!) it's worth to see them animated.

Deceptichick · Post by **Deceptichick** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:42 am

I grew up on G1, I'm was an animator for a while adn worked for Warner and Disney. However, even after my stint as an animator armed with production quality knowledge I watched G1 again and I still like it. Actually I love it. Sure, there are mistakes but no one can act for my Screamer the way Chris Latta and the orginal animation crew did. The layouts for first season were gorgeous too. You can tell Megs was drawn by an experienced action adventure Johny Quest era artist who really liked working on him.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:53 am

I enjoyed a lot of the voice acting, to be sure. The voices for the likes of Prime, Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave are the ones I hear in my head when I read the comics to this day.

Post by **Best First** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:05 pm

Soundwaves voice is the only one they got right, he said so on the UK letter page...

Megs sounds like he smokes 60 a day, i'm not sur eabout his voie, but Prime's is pure class.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:23 pm

Best First wrote:
Megs sounds like he smokes 60 a day, i'm not sur eabout his voice

I think it's utterly fab in the movie...

"Such heroic nonsense..."

Post by **Best First** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:15 pm

i think the line does it more for me than the voice.

i dunno, i think he just sounds a bit too shouty/cackly, i like my megs with moree of an air of calculated menace, but he always sounds a bit too barking for my liking.

man, if the cartoon had been scripted like the film...

Deceptichick · Post by **Deceptichick** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:45 pm

I dig Meggy's voice. That gritty gargles with razor blades, burned throat feel. Wouldn't you think a GUN would have a burnt voice.
Franky totally does it for me man! Although I DID hate his Galvatron voice. Wasn't threatening at all. I actully routed for the autobots in Season 3 and I'm a Deceptibitch ( hope we can say that!).

Go fig

Aardvark · Post by **Aardvark** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:16 pm

A lot of people who dislike the cartoon are big comic fans[/Generalisations]. There must be a middle ground...

Oh wait that’s The Big Broadcast of 2006

The cartoon was an enjoyable and somewhat camp cartoon. Without the cartoon I probably wouldn't have gotten into the comics or the toys. When I was a wee lad the continuity and animation errors didn't matter one bit nor were they noticeable.

It was a fun children’s cartoon and certainly was my favourite at the time. Now lets never watch it again...

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:33 pm

Aardvark wrote:A lot of people who dislike the cartoon are big comic fans[/Generalisations]. There must be a middle ground...

I don't think that I've ever seen anybody that likes both the cartoon and UK comics

Aardvark · Post by **Aardvark** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:36 pm

Well I certainly love [most of] the UK comics ...and I don't dislike the cartoon.

Deceptichick · Post by **Deceptichick** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:17 am

I heard the UK comics were fab. Unfortunately, they came out when the Transformers cartoon took a break and I started to think about more important things in my adolesence like getting into my desired college. It would be a real treat of they re-released them over here in the states so I can review and catch up on what everyone is talking about. The last Marvel issue of TF comic I collected was when Starskey blew himself up with the underbase.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:08 am

Well, they've got all the Transformers US comics released in trade paperback form, and several story arcs from Transformers UK as well. Look up Transformers TPB on Amazon.com, or go check out your local used book or comic book store.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:20 pm

Deceptichick wrote:I heard the UK comics were fab. Unfortunately, they came out when the Transformers cartoon took a break and I started to think about more important things in my adolesence like getting into my desired college. It would be a real treat of they re-released them over here in the states so I can review and catch up on what everyone is talking about. The last Marvel issue of TF comic I collected was when Starskey blew himself up with the underbase.

ouch. that's when the US version started to get good...

Aardvark · Post by **Aardvark** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:44 pm

Anytime Starscream dies is good

The subsqeunt string of issues where some of the most diabolical stories in Transformers history, be it "The Man in the bloody Machine!” not to mention "The Interplanetary Wrestling Championship" and possibly the worst and definitely the most aptly named "Recipe for Disaster". “Yesterdays Heroes” had its moments and Primal Scream is fairly good but the first really good story to come was Bird Of Prey and even then it was still inconsistnt even with Furmon on board. Much of the Matrix Quest was awful. Still it eventually found its groove

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:15 pm

Stormwolf wrote:
Aardvark wrote:A lot of people who dislike the cartoon are big comic fans[/Generalisations]. There must be a middle ground...
I don't think that I've ever seen anybody that likes both the cartoon and UK comics

Then look no further...

Here I am!

I actually like a lot of the Cartoon-eps, granted the love isn't as great as for the comics, but it's still there.

Aardvark · Post by **Aardvark** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:36 pm

You just admitted to being the human embodiment of the The Big Broadcast Of 2006. Well that makes me feel good about my life for once so thank you, very much

...Hip Hip Hurray.

Deceptichick · Post by **Deceptichick** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:39 pm

Aardvark wrote:Anytime Starscream dies is good

Not for me! No Screamer no interest on my part. The other characters are good but for Starskey is what made the rest of them fun and Megatron deeper. Those two had quite the frustrated father and rebellious son realtionship.

Aardvark · Post by **Aardvark** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:48 pm

By frustrated father and rebellious son relationship do you mean a son constantly trying to kill his father and a father allowing his son to use his "gun"

Deceptichick · Post by **Deceptichick** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:02 am

Yep. Read Roman history--and Greek Mythology. My mom and I used to fight that when I was a teenager so I can relate to SS's plight. If my leader was condecending and constantly berated me I would want his head ona stick. I always wanted to see an episode where Megatron apologized to SS. I love Megs but he goads the Screamer.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:04 am

Aardvark wrote:By frustrated father and rebellious son relationship do you mean a son constantly trying to kill his father and a father allowing his son to use his "gun"

A veeeeeeeeeeery disfunctional part-Oedipus complex.

Deceptichick · Post by **Deceptichick** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:37 am

Also, Alexander the Great. His father Phillip was a real jerk. This relationship almost parallels Starskey and Megs. Alexander ended up killing his powerful yet waning (incapabililty) father and went to establish one of the greatest empires in history. He then died young at the height--much like Starscream and the Underbase. I heard that various writers played with the idea of Starscream as a successful yet short-lived leader in various comic stories and the storyline of Transformers Cybertron--I think. Do correct if I'm wrong. Stormwolf could clear the air I'm sure.

Hit it my comicbook guru!

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:34 am

Aardvark wrote:Anytime Starscream dies is good

The subsqeunt string of issues where some of the most diabolical stories in Transformers history, be it "The Man in the bloody Machine!” not to mention "The Interplanetary Wrestling Championship" and possibly the worst and definitely the most aptly named "Recipe for Disaster".

ah, i forgot about those. which isn't a bad thing in and of itself.

i think claiming any kind of Father/son relationship between megs and Screamer is streaching its.

Starscream, certainly cartoon Starscream, wants to be leader on the basis of nothing other than the fact he is him.

Deceptichick · Post by **Deceptichick** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:56 pm

I think I read into the SS and Megs relationship more than anyone else here. However, the writers of Energon and a view montage video makers on YouTube saw a similar dynamic. So, I am not seeing pink elephants here.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:06 pm

Best First wrote:Starscream, certainly cartoon Starscream, wants to be leader on the basis of nothing other than the fact he is him.

Wich does beggar the question, isn't he in his full right to have such grandeur dreams?

I mean, he is like third in command of the decepticons so to speak, and he has a lot of skill behind him.

For instance, in WWI we saw him leading his own predacon-faction, and they were the last to surrender to the autobots. In fact, he even pulled one of his classic fast-ones and hit his autobot and decepticon competitors in one seriously brutal and swift act of terror.

On the other hand... almost every single one of his troops hates his guts for various reasons, I wouldn't be surprised if many join him because he has leverage in one form or another on them.

Bly me, he'd make an excellent Torey wouldn't he?

I'd give him 6 months in a pretender-shell, and he'd run the whole of the isles.

Deceptichick · Post by **Deceptichick** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:27 pm

Starscream need life experience in addition to his skill level. People/Bot skilla are on the top of the least. As Master Fwiffo mentioned, Screamer is a good manipulator but the times he has used that skill has been few ans far between, which is a pity because he's even more endearing when he's being manipulative. Anyhoo, it would've been nice to see the Screamer mature. Unfortunately until he does, Megatron will alway beat him in the charisma department .Come to think of it, that's probably the reason why Megs publicly berates SS. Starskey, will never come of age so long as Megs keeps goading him hence pigeon holing SS in his current mental state of a child and that's exactly how the other Decepticons see Starscream.

Starsky:(pout) "Time make all things possible."

Deceptichick: "Yes, however, 4 million year scattered all over the Ark in several pieces isn't exaclty I had in mind. Chin up love, perhaps during your next exile you use the time to THINK!"
"NOw, once again: Staff Pose, inhale slowly....."

Starsky: "Oh my achin' hamsprings!"

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:45 am

I did think the Megatron/Starscream dynamic made the 'cons stand out from the generic baddies in most other cartoons of the time.

Deceptichick · Post by **Deceptichick** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:55 pm

The 80's WAS the era of the likeable or sympathetic bad guy. I routed for Bianca in Beverly Hills Teens and Scarab in the Bionic Six. However, with Robotech, I did not like the bad guys unless they gave in and assimilated. That particular animated series made did a good job of de-humanizing the enemy until they were ready to surreder and change for the better and rehabilitate into earth society.

Remember the first time our eyes met?

-Robotech Macross

Laserwave · Post by **Laserwave** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:00 pm

Stormwolf wrote:I don't think that I've ever seen anybody that likes both the cartoon and UK comics

*Waves*

I do, I do!!

Autobot 420 · Post by **Autobot 420** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:57 am

awww... come on season 3 is not that bad. season 3 gave us the Technobots, and the Terrorcons. and it did have a few good episodes like Call of the Primitives(wich had some of the best artwork of any episode), Grimlocks New Brain, Webworld, Ghost in the Machine,Dark Awakening, and The Return of Optimus Prime.

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