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Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:07 pm

You probably won't, though. Because you suck.

No, seriously. More of the same, but more. Like, loads more. Two and a half hours again.

About what you'd expect. Lots of fun, lots of explosions, lots and lots of giant alien death robots with shitloads of moving parts shot in quick cut stylee so it's often difficult to work out what the hell's going on.

But no, I enjoyed it. Big dumb unpretentious action movie kabloomy stuff. With some seriously spectacular effects.

Some bits do feel just like "oh yeah, and then there's this toy too!" And there's a couple of "what plot hole? no, we aren't going to explain that. quickly - blow something up!" moments going on.

Fairly certain Deep Roy was in it, too.

More detailed analysis later, rather than me just copy/pasting what I posted at the Archive.

3/5 on first watch.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:40 pm

I hate Skids and Mudflap so much.

They are 2 of the **** Transformers ever.

The film was ok. Enjoyable, but the plot was thinner than ever.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:20 am

I think the movie LOOKED amazing. Maybe I'll go and check out the Japanese dub, so I can tune out everything else.

NeoSpringer · Post by **NeoSpringer** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:51 am

I really enjoyed it, but boy it had its faults. First hour was great, second half when they got to Egypt the plot was quite literally lost. It felt rushed in parts, and there were way too many foul-mouthed robots. One or two, fine, but it was overdone and not funny. Sideswipe was cool but didn't do much after the first scene. Jolt was a pointless addition, and they could have done more with Ravage.

Good stuff:
Shanghai scene at the beginning was excellent.
Forest Battle was absolutely superb
Megs, Screamer and the Fallen actually had conversations, nothing groundbreaking but at least they had lines this time.
I've never seen so many explosions or so much action in one film!
Sinking of the aircraft carrier is quite dramatic

Bad stuff:
About half an hour too long
Shaky cam all over again, it is really hard to follow. Will Bay ever learn to just keep the camera still for two minutes?
Aside from Prime, Bumblebee, Twins and Ironhide, the other Autobots are just window dressing.
The script and plot really was wafer thin, to the point of being non-existent and nonsensical. For supposedly A-list screenwriters and director, it really is poor. The same problems were evident in the recent Star Trek film.
Some of the humour and language is a little too adult for what's meant to be, at heart, a kids' film.

Despite all that, the battles are amazing, and it is a lot of fun and definitely worth watching in that regards. I probably enjoyed it more than the first film.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:08 am

Did I hear wrong, or did Simmons say, "I wear them when I f***" in regards to his underwear?

Also, did Michaela say, "F***ing do something!" or am I just hearing things?

Everything that anyone complained about from the first movie was amped up for the new one.

Fortunately, everything that I liked about the first one was amped up as well!

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:12 am

Professor Smooth wrote:Everything that anyone complained about from the first movie was amped up for the new one.

Fortunately, everything that I liked about the first one was amped up as well!

Mmm, it's just a case of more (like, shitloads more) of the same. Which I'm cool with. Because a lot of the stuff that people complained about first time out is the exact same stuff other people loved.

NeoSpringer · Post by **NeoSpringer** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:11 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:Did I hear wrong, or did Simmons say, "I wear them when I f***" in regards to his underwear?

Y'know, I thought he said that too, but maybe I misheard. Or rather, I hope I misheard.

More things that come to mind that I found awesome – Simmons was great (I actually liked him in the first film too) and Prime's "I'll take you all on!"

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:48 pm

"I wear them when I'm in my funk" I think was the line. Definitely something to do with funk, not [composite word including 'f*ck'] though.

Sunyavadin · Post by **Sunyavadin** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:21 am

I still refuse to pay to see another shakycam-unable-to-work-out-what's-going-on-two-hour-chase-scene that EVERY SINGLE BAY FILM EVER IS.

I REALLY hope they'll hire a professional director for the inevitable remake ten years from now. Even Uwe Boll frames his shots better than Bay does.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:13 pm

All of Prime´s battles alone worth the price of the ticket.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:33 pm

The Last Autobot wrote:All of Prime´s battles alone worth the price of the ticket.

This.

If I'd paid 12 dollars for JUST the Optimus Prime scenes, I'd have been a perfectly happy customer.

Did anyone feel like, whenever Prime spoke, it didn't feel like the voice was coming from the character? Instead, it was like he was doing a voice-over narration?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:36 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:Did anyone feel like, whenever Prime spoke, it didn't feel like the voice was coming from the character? Instead, it was like he was doing a voice-over narration?

I didn't notice it for Prime, but it stood out like holy hell for Jetfire's desert exposition scene.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:03 pm

The Last Autobot wrote:All of Prime´s battles alone worth the price of the ticket.

They were awesome scenes, I did find it disturbing just how happy Prime was to execute Decepticons though.

It's probably not intentional, but the story seemed to suggest the Decepticons wanted Energon and the Allspark to preserve Transformer life, whereas the Autobots seem to be happy to allow their race to die out.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:13 pm

Hound wrote:It's probably not intentional, but the story seemed to suggest the Decepticons wanted Energon and the Allspark to preserve Transformer life

By destroying suns.

whereas the Autobots seem to be happy to allow their race to die out.

If it means not sacrificing all the rest of the life in the universe.

But yeah.

"You'll never stop at one!"

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:22 pm

Haven't seen it yet, but it is getting the hell bashed out of it in the reviews by just about everyone.

Comparisons to Roland Emmerich's Godzilla and comparing Mudflap and Skids to Jar Jar Binks leave me cringing.

The two hour twenty minute running time has me a bit concerned as well.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:46 pm

Yaya wrote:Haven't seen it yet, but it is getting the hell bashed out of it in the reviews by just about everyone.

The places I've seen that slammed the first one are slamming this one. The places I've seen that liked the first one are liking this one.

The two hour twenty minute running time has me a bit concerned as well.

About the same length as the previous film, to be fair.

Basically, they've taken every element from the first movie and upped it. So that will include the bits you hated, because the film is 80% Marmite anyway.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:16 pm

Yaya wrote:Comparisons to Roland Emmerich's Godzilla and comparing Mudflap and Skids to Jar Jar Binks leave me cringing.

I'd steer clear of the IDW movie adaptation, then.

Sunyavadin · Post by **Sunyavadin** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:43 am

Screw it, I've supported the 'con ideals since State Games. More of the same does not surprise me now.

Just like more "Godzilla" and Jar-Jar comparisons of a Bay movie and its characters don't surprise me.

Here's hoping the comparison continues and we get another animated movie sometime a few years down the road where they kill off these ones' prime or megs (You know, like they did in that Japanese Godzilla film a few years ago where the real one killed the US one in the shortest battle in a Godzilla film ever)

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:38 am

Hound wrote:
The Last Autobot wrote:All of Prime´s battles alone worth the price of the ticket.
They were awesome scenes, I did find it disturbing just how happy Prime was to execute Decepticons though..

Well, there are like 10 autobots against hundreds of decepticons.

He´s seen his world decimated.

And now another planet is in the same path

So he is really pissed off.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:41 am

So how bad are Skids and Mudflap? My fiancee is trying to tell me she refuses to go see this movie because Skids and Mudflap are just walking racial caricatures. I hadn't heard anything about it.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:20 am

They are robots in blackface. Let's not forget the glory of "Uhhh, I don't read so good..." "Naw, man, I don't do me so much reading."

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:50 am

Shanti418 wrote:So how bad are Skids and Mudflap? My fiancee is trying to tell me she refuses to go see this movie because Skids and Mudflap are just walking racial caricatures. I hadn't heard anything about it.

The only racism I've spotted in connection to it is the people who hear a couple of immature characters talking in urban slang immediately think "black" rather than "idiot kids trying to be cool".

Rather than repeat previous arguments, I'll just link to the previous discussion of it I saw. The issue hadn't even cropped up in my head until this thread was posted:
http://www.tfarchive.com/community/show ... hp?t=46846

Was Jazz's characterisation racist? He "talked black" and got himself killed through stupidity.

I personally thought Skids and Mudflap were awesome. Two idiot alpha-male bulls**t adolescents who think they're the shizzle. It's JD and Turk in robot form.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:47 pm

Dude, they sounded exactly like Chris Rock.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:50 pm

I find myself debating now whether I should pay money to see this film. I'm torn.

zAt first, I thought people were reading too much into it. But now, I'm finding myself wondering just what exactly was the aim of creating two jive-talking robots that can't read and have a gold tooth.

This begs the question, what the hell are they doing to our Transformers?

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:05 pm

For sure, it can be rationalized away by the ideas of "They're robots imitating human culture," or "Why do they have to be imitating black people, couldn't we suppose they're imitating Eminem or Ali G?"

But as far as intent, it seems like its in the eye of the beholder.

If you're Average American Non Black Person, then they're just funny users of modern lingo.

If you're Average American Black Person, then even though they may not be racist, Skids and Mudflap could certainly rub you the wrong way with their lazy, uneducated, gold tooth wearin', tomfoolery, because warrented or not, the characterization carries prejudical echoes. Which is why I suppose after researching this I'll be seeing the movie by myself.

To go out on a WILD analogy limb, it's kind of like the original OJ trial. Most white people were like, "The mountain of evidence says OJ did it," while a lot of black people were like, "Hey, I've run into racist cops. Hey, I've been accused of things I didn't do because of the color of my skin, or been stopped or harrassed for no reason." The experinces of people color their opinions, and the experinces of the Average American Black Person cause some people to err (In TF2's case) on the side of "This is racist/prejudiced/robots in blackface," whilst the Average American White Person would say "You're just boxing with shadows and seeing things that aren't there."

Anyway, sorry to derail the discussion. I'll shut up about the movie until I see it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:18 pm

bumblemusprime wrote:Dude, they sounded exactly like Chris Rock.

However, Spongebob doesn't.

Jack Cade · Post by **Jack Cade** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:29 pm

Shanti418 wrote:If you're Average American Black Person, then even though they may not be racist, Skids and Mudflap could certainly rub you the wrong way with their lazy, uneducated, gold tooth wearin', tomfoolery, because warrented or not, the characterization carries prejudical echoes.

It's a bit like the 'n' word, isn't it? It's not just about whether you intended to offend or were using it in a derogatory way - it's the history.

<3Starscream · Post by **<3Starscream** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:39 am

Sorry, this is kinda off topic from the current discussion, but I am curious about something.

I've seen the movie and I didn't have too high expectations for it, and I think because of that I think it's a lot better than it actually is. I plan on seeing it again so I can rethink my current opinion on the movie.

But, I was reading some critic reviews about the movie earlier and I was very shocked to read one review. I don't have it on hand at the moment, but from I can remember, this critic gave the movie an F rating. In the review they stated that this was Michael Bay's worst film ever and it is competition for the worst movie of the year.

I honestly don't think that it was really that bad, especially with some other movies that have come out this year already..

I just want to know what yalls opinion on that is.

IronHide · Post by **IronHide** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:52 am

So, can we break down the movie at this point? Can I throw a big spoilers alert thing on here? Cause Im gonna anyways.

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

First, let me address this issue of racism. Ahem...

Come on, really? Maybe they should have left the line out about how they cant read, but it wasnt as blatant as they make it seem. And there woulda been a hellstorm if there hadnt been at least 1 black actor voicing one Bot or Con, "The Transformers don't want any 'black' actors" would have been the uproar instead. So in closing. Come on...

Second. When did the subject of a movie suddenly become the ancillary character? Enough with the Witwicky family and they're bantering. More big fighting robots, is that too much to ask Mr. Bay? Really?

That really was the biggest issue I had with the movie, it was a 2 1/2 hour movie with 45 min of Transformer dialogue. But when they did actually have a cool fight scene, it was done masterfully and I was taken back to the boyish wonder and excitement I used to feel (the hot college girl who was secretly a transformer scene excluded, that was just stupid).

But I'll be the one to go ahead and throw down the "wtf is with that" fanboy anger moments. So lets go.

1. What the hell was with Jetfire? He was a big robotic Sean Connery. Not impressed. The Starbridge part was semi-cool, but a disappointment overall.

2. Wheelie. Not quite as annoying as the original. Not quite.

3. Couldnt Arcee have been one robot, instead of 3 crotch rockets? Oh, and not have sucked.

4. What the hell happened to Skids and Mudflap? Did Devs crush and destroy them? Did they bump up out dat biatch like mad fast? Cause apparently they only messed up his face a little.

5. Soundwave looked like he was sexually molesting a satellite.

6. Speaking of sex. Good. God. Could they have thrown any more random sexual scenes into a movie short of having them actually do it? They gave Dev's a nutsack!! They had a robot hump Megan Fox!! Granted id give a testicle to do the same thing, but I dont care to see that. Dumb

7. And finally, the big one. WHAT THE F HAPPENED TO THE MATRIX?!?! Did Prime blow it up when he destroyed the energon harvester? Did he climb back up there and get it? ITS THE F'ING MATRIX!! YOU DON'T JUST LEAVE IT BEHIND!

With that, im done. I really did enjoy the movie, there were a few moments where it dig drag towards the end, but the crazy awesome fight scenes had me drooling for more. Especially when Bumblebee wtf pwned Ravage. Holy balls was that not awesome? Prime's forest fight scene so rad it gave me chills.

Oh, and <3Starscream, think you're looking for this one. Ebert was quite scathing... http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbc ... /906239997

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:09 am

IronHide wrote:7. And finally, the big one. WHAT THE F HAPPENED TO THE MATRIX?!?! Did Prime blow it up when he destroyed the energon harvester? Did he climb back up there and get it? ITS THE F'ING MATRIX!! YOU DON'T JUST LEAVE IT BEHIND!

You do if it's also the key to activate a sun-destroying doom machine. Well, Prime would. "Yes, it can save the lives of individual Transformers, but it also has the capacity for great blah blah boring yawn".

Seriously, it's such an Op thing to do.

I'd guess the US military have trashed the rest of the pyramid and impounded the remains of the Harvester, Matrix and all.

That's gonna be a fun one for them to explain to the Egyptians.