Transformers Who Ain't Died

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:13 am

Best First wrote:Hmm - Clifffjumper? Trailbreaker? Tracks? Hoist? Grimlock?

Trailbreaker dies a lot of times, although he is always brought back. First shot by the "fake" Prime in the swamps along with Windcharger, then shot in the head by Scourge in Target 2006 -he is pretty much gone after that until the Underbase, where he disappears for good.

Tracks is burned to pieces in "Cold War" by... I think it was Astrotrain? Dunno. He is dead for sure after Underbase, since he is brought back to life in the UK story where Grimmy tries to sabotage him...

Hoist buys it at the hands of Starscream in Underbase.

Cliffjumper - well, he is deactivated by Shocky. I think that save for Ratchet, we can count all the other Bots as having been killed after issue #4 either by the blast, or afterwards when Shocky hangs them up for spare parts.

Grimlock dies a lot of times - first one maybe doesn't count (deactivated under tons of tar), but being shot apart by Pretenders sure does in Underbase. And don't forget, he also dies in DW's Age of Wrath.

I guess the only ones who never died are Autobot Micromaster patrols - they simply disappear after Furman took over, except for Fixit. And he is alive most likely too.

Also, most of the Con Pretenders are dead by G2, except for Bugly and Iguanus. We never see them buy it.

stranger wrote:
Rebis wrote:
Executed by Cyclonus & Scourge in Rhythms of Darkness.

Arse - forgot about that.

Metroplex?

Well, there is an universal rule that guys who only appear for one-two comics/episodes do not die. So, by that rule, Devcon, the cartoon femmebots (Elita and the rest), Trypticon, Metroplex and co are still alive.

Btw, do we ever find out what happened to Spanner? I mean, when Straxus "died", the space bridge was only destabilized. And later at the dam, only the drill is blown up. Was the space bridge which Megs blew up Spanner, or did they build more space bridges - since we see the Cons using it a lot even after Megs blew it up.

Come to think of it... I think the Monsterbots and some of the Autobot Targetmasters never died (Pointblank just disappears, and the Double Targetmasters are never seen after the Unicron battle).

I once started to do a sort of "who is still alive in the Marvel universe" list, starting with Afterburner but then I got the net and saw people already have a TF Wiki...

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:59 am

If were going for "best killing", my vote would have to be either Impactors death, or Galvatron annhilating Skywarp thinking it was Starscream both from Target: 2006.

I mean i know Skywarp was already offline, but Galvatron made sure he wasnt coming back any time soon.

God I loved T:2006

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:00 am

Mr_Tigg wrote:
Imagine the ol'movie with live action actors? It would've been more violent then the average horror movie!

I actually wrote something like that once. It really was violent as hell. The Megatron/Prime battle especially.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:51 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:I guess the only ones who never died are Autobot Micromaster patrols - they simply disappear after Furman took over, except for Fixit. And he is alive most likely too.

Unless... anyone know what happens in Zone?

Also, most of the Con Pretenders are dead by G2, except for Bugly and Iguanus. We never see them buy it.

Wasn't Iguanus the star of King 'Con? I seem to remember him exploding as a result of a lighting strike.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:15 pm

Rebis wrote:
BB Shockwave wrote:I guess the only ones who never died are Autobot Micromaster patrols - they simply disappear after Furman took over, except for Fixit. And he is alive most likely too.
Unless... anyone know what happens in Zone?

I think that, for most intents, the Japanese versions of the Micromasters should be treated as completely distinct to the Western ones... but regardless, I don't think he's a casualty in it. Unless it happens in the TV Magazine continuation.

Also, most of the Con Pretenders are dead by G2, except for Bugly and Iguanus. We never see them buy it.

Wasn't Iguanus the star of King 'Con? I seem to remember him exploding as a result of a lighting strike.[/quote]

Skullgrin was the star of King Con.

Iguanus gets a slightly ambiguous fate in Stormbringer, having his arm chopped off off-page by Bludgeon, then dying/going-into-stasis-lock in Prime's arms.

I think Bugly got pimpslapped as part of the climax to WW:Dark Ages. I think by Shockwave.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:24 pm

Brendocon wrote:
Rebis wrote:
Also, most of the Con Pretenders are dead by G2, except for Bugly and Iguanus. We never see them buy it.
Wasn't Iguanus the star of King 'Con? I seem to remember him exploding as a result of a lighting strike.
Skullgrin was the star of King Con.

Iguanus gets a slightly ambiguous fate in Stormbringer, having his arm chopped off off-page by Bludgeon, then dying/going-into-stasis-lock in Prime's arms.

Nah. Skullgrin was the star of Monstercon from Mars.

In King Con, it was definitely Iguanus who steals the show on top the Empire State building. All Skullgrin did in King Con was be the recipient of various fleshling-lover taunts by his fellow pretenders.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:26 pm

Dammit. How dare Bob have two Decepticonpretendercentric stories!

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:53 pm

King Con was the better of the two. I always loved that lightning strike. Then again, I haven't read it since I was about ten.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:51 am

BB Shockwave wrote:
Trypticon

Killed by Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber in Transformers Zone

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:22 am

who and what is dài atlas?

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:47 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:who and what is dài atlas?

Assuming that's not sarcasm: Dai Atlas - Transformers Wiki

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:42 am

BB Shockwave wrote:Also, most of the Con Pretenders are dead by G2, except for Bugly and Iguanus. We never see them buy it.

Skullgrin buys it in a shuttle in G2.

What about Hot Rod? I don't think he's ever been killed off.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:50 am

Metal Vendetta wrote:What about Hot Rod? I don't think he's ever been killed off.

Well Rodimus Prime's (presumable) corpse was strung up in Rhythms of Darkness... that counts yeah?

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:12 pm

What about the Firecons?

Sparkstalker is told to have been incenerated (accidentally) by Flamefeather in "End of the Road" but the others are not seen dying.

Unless you count the G2 UK comic, where Slag toasts Flamefeather and Sparkstalker (who wasn't dead apparently...) - that still leaves Cindersaur at large.

You know, I never read other comics before TFs (well except for Asterix and Lucky Luke) and I kind of accepted how they kill off and bring back characters, seeing as they are robots.
But when I read DC/Marvel comics and saw that flesh-and-blood superheroes get the same treatment... now that's where it lost credibility for me.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:28 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:Unless you count the G2 UK comic

Given that this topic appears to be counting all Transformers in all media, I'd say it was a safe bet to assume G2 UK will be in there somewhere.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:47 pm

Brendocon wrote:Well Rodimus Prime's (presumable) corpse was strung up in Rhythms of Darkness... that counts yeah?

Gah, missed the obvious one. Yep, I think that definitely counts.

Also worth noting that the DD GI Joe series killed off Bumblebee (for reals, no Goldbuggery in the Serpent OR storyline.

I was thinking (Furman favourite) Dreadwind has never died, but he definitely gets offed in Another Time and Place, which accounts for pretty much all the Decepticons at the end of G1.

Seems to me the more obscure a character is, (perversely) the more likely they are to have survived. Red Alert survived G1 without a scratch by being off-panel most of the time, but then got wasted in G2. As for the Monsterbots, I think they were implied casualties by late G1 - Kup's figures of deactivated Autobots aboard the Ark doesn't tally with the number of 'bots we've seen being killed on-panel, and they don't appear again. Then again, Fort Max could have sent them on some sort of undercover mission and we wouldn't know.

Similarly, have Fastlane, Cloudraker, Pounce or Wingspan had death scenes? Or the Triggerbots, maybe? Just thinking out loud, without checking the wiki. Backstreet got his **** ruined by Megatron in GI Joe G2 but what about Dogfight and...uh, the other one?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:04 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:Similarly, have Fastlane, Cloudraker, Pounce or Wingspan had death scenes? Or the Triggerbots, maybe? Just thinking out loud, without checking the wiki. Backstreet got his **** ruined by Megatron in GI Joe G2 but what about Dogfight and...uh, the other one?

Pimp Daddy Sixshot bitchslapped the Decepticon clones to deathland in Headmasters. Though oddly they were right as rain a few eps later.

I think the Autobot clones got smacked down on Garrus 9 in Spotlight Arcee. Fairly certain at least one of them was seen later though.

... but then I think both of them got ****** up big time (along with pretty much every Autobot on Cybertron) in Rebirth. Before the big resurrection Happy Ending, natch.

Override was the one who got ripped in two by Megatron in GI Joe.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:08 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote: What about Hot Rod? I don't think he's ever been killed off.

Killed by the decepticons in Klo, resurrected by me -The Last Autobot

Red Alert

Aside from his death in g2, he was killed by the constructicons in a storyboard for Transformers The Movie (and included in the special DVD released a couple years ago).

Post by **Best First** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:21 am

Metal Vendetta wrote:Then again, Fort Max could have sent them on some sort of undercover mission and we wouldn't know.

The Undercover mission where he throws himself into a nuclear reactor in G2?

Along with Spike

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:56 am

Could we clarify the term 'dead' for a TF?

There should be a difference between being offline and being irrevelsably offline. Most TFs have been offline at some point (all the original TFs for 3million years for example...) but were they 'dead'?
I tend to think not as they were able to be brought back online.

Death is final - no more TF.
i.e.
Death's Head totally Shockwave's brain module = dead shockwave.
Megatron atomising(?!) Brawn in G2 = dead Brawn.
Trailbreaker being shot by Scourge's acid ray = injured Trailbreaker.
Sunstreaker after (US)#4, deactivated awaiting suitable parts = not dead.

in my mind anyway...

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:23 am

Legion wrote:Death's Head totally Shockwave's brain module = dead shockwave.

Are 100% sure he didn't have any backup?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:05 pm

Legion wrote:in my mind anyway...

You're outvoted.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:06 pm

Legion wrote:Could we clarify the term 'dead' for a TF?

There should be a difference between being offline and being irrevelsably offline. Most TFs have been offline at some point (all the original TFs for 3million years for example...) but were they 'dead'?
I tend to think not as they were able to be brought back online.

Death is final - no more TF.
i.e.
Death's Head totally Shockwave's brain module = dead shockwave.
Megatron atomising(?!) Brawn in G2 = dead Brawn.
Trailbreaker being shot by Scourge's acid ray = injured Trailbreaker.
Sunstreaker after (US)#4, deactivated awaiting suitable parts = not dead.

in my mind anyway...

So...

Prime being blown up by Ethan Zachary, but able to be rebuilt due to a backup on floppy disk = not dead?
Impactor being shot by Macabre, but able to be reanimated by Flame and his personality restored through interacting with Springer = not dead?

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:21 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:Similarly, have Fastlane, Cloudraker, Pounce or Wingspan had death scenes? Or the Triggerbots, maybe? Just thinking out loud, without checking the wiki. Backstreet got his **** ruined by Megatron in GI Joe G2 but what about Dogfight and...uh, the other one?

Since the Clones never appeared in the comic...

But Pounce and Wingspan were killed by Sixshot in Headmasters - he slams their heads together, and their bodies are shown with pretty much crashed heads. Despite this, they appear alive and well (one of them even has a line) in the last episode of HM...

BTW, Override got wasted by Megs. Backstreet and Dogfight are alive still... I think. They only appeared in IDW since then, and are still alive even though Dogfight is now behaving in typical redshirt manner, such as telling OP what an honor is to fight alongside him...

Jack Cade · Post by **Jack Cade** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:46 pm

Legion wrote:There should be a difference between being offline and being irrevelsably offline.

I've a slightly more complicated criteria, in that I think they should be dead if their deaths were written in, whether or not they're later 'brought back'. Otherwise, Optimus Prime didn't die in the movie, and I find that even more absurd than being dead and coming back to life.

So if they're injured or simply spend a long time 'offline', I guess they never died. But if they're obliterated, only for a writer to then work out some way of bringing them back, that's got to count. Of course, that does lead to certain ambiguities ...

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:39 pm

Legion wrote: Megatron atomising(?!) Brawn in G2 = dead Brawn.

He reappeared for the Transformers Universe conflict, took from that very moment in time.

So he didn´t stay dead

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:39 pm

I think part of the problem of trying to clarify who did and didn't "die" is that towards the end of the original comic and into G2 Furman was clearly having trouble keeping track of these things himself and would start killing the same characters over and over again. Possibly some sort of severe memory problem: "Ho shall I kill today? I know, Quake! That'll be cool". *A few weeks later* "Who shall I kill today? Quake! That'll be cool" *Come G2*... and so on. Of course, this condition and has extended to him completely forgetting he has no new ideas when writing for IDW.

JawBreaker · Post by **JawBreaker** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:32 pm

Krok led the Decepticons on Klo with Bludgeon but I don't remember him getting killed off there.

Has he appeared since then ?

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:25 pm

Brendocon wrote:
Legion wrote:in my mind anyway...
You're outvoted.

But he is (wait for it) Legion!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:38 am

Rebis wrote:
Legion wrote:Could we clarify the term 'dead' for a TF?

There should be a difference between being offline and being irrevelsably offline. Most TFs have been offline at some point (all the original TFs for 3million years for example...) but were they 'dead'?
I tend to think not as they were able to be brought back online.

Death is final - no more TF.
i.e.
Death's Head totally Shockwave's brain module = dead shockwave.
Megatron atomising(?!) Brawn in G2 = dead Brawn.
Trailbreaker being shot by Scourge's acid ray = injured Trailbreaker.
Sunstreaker after (US)#4, deactivated awaiting suitable parts = not dead.

in my mind anyway...
So...

Prime being blown up by Ethan Zachary, but able to be rebuilt due to a backup on floppy disk = not dead?
Impactor being shot by Macabre, but able to be reanimated by Flame and his personality restored through interacting with Springer = not dead?

It seems nothing short of total atomization = Death for a TF. then again it's comic world, so even an atomic blast killed Impy or an ethan zacery self destruction could be undone...

Hell, even Uniceon, destroyed by the matrix, was being rebuilt on junkion.