Transformers Who Ain't Died

[Legion]

So...

Prime being blown up by Ethan Zachary, but able to be rebuilt due to a backup on floppy disk = not dead?
Impactor being shot by Macabre, but able to be reanimated by Flame and his personality restored through interacting with Springer = not dead?

No, Prime was definitely killed by Zachary. What was later animated on Nebulous by HiQ was a clone, a _copy_ of the original Prime's personality. The original Prime was just a rusting corpse on VsQs by then.
As for Impactor - his whole body was being reanimated and 'controlled' by a remote control signal - this can only happen (apparently) to TF bodies who do not have their own (or by inference, a working) brain module. The zombie-factor is fun, but it's more than likely that the re-animation program just accidentally picked up on a latent datastream still in Impactor's long dead brain module and reanimated that too. He wasn't really 'restored', but a true zombie.
Or if he was, then the Autobot's were a bit too quick to write him off back in T:2006 - certainly he only lost half his head and we've see another TF survive that kind of damage since then...

Megatron atomising(?!) Brawn in G2 = dead Brawn.

He reappeared for the Transformers Universe conflict, took from that very moment in time.
So he didn´t stay dead

Not entirely sure of the canonicity of the TF Universe conflict (certainly the whole comic strikes me as one big fanwank, sorry!)


Going back to G2 for a moment - I was thinking about Hotspot. He self-destructs to prevent Cobra getting their hands on the tech in his body - presumably a terminal case of death in that case. However Skydive doesn't seem too concerned about it all, making some pseudo-mumbo-jumbo comment about TF life being different to Human life... but surely Hotspot would have made sure that he was entirely destroyed, including his brain module? Unless Furman had started leaning towards the whole 'Spark' theory back then...

Of course, the whole Spark debarcle, whilst kinda cute in some ways, does undermine the whole struggle between life and death and therefore any drama. As soon as Sparks were made into tangible things that could be captured or released (or even divided!!!) - then the attempt to give TFs 'souls' was undermined and they just became another bit of techno-babble.

in my mind anyway...

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[Brendocon]

in my mind anyway...

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By me.

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[bumblemusprime]

Skydive!

I seem to remember a couple of Aerialbot deaths, but not him.

[Brendocon]

Skydive!

I seem to remember a couple of Aerialbot deaths, but not him.

Superion (and, thusly, his component parts) french kissed a nuke in Dreamwave...

[Ozz]

Plus they got wasted in Underbase Saga.

[Best First]

I think we are saying Underbase dunt count as people were just badly damaged, but not irrepearable

[Ozz]

Oh, okay. But IIRC towards the end of DW ongoing Superion stopped looking like giant pile of Lego and moved to the can-be-put-back-together category.

[Brendocon]

I think author intent should be factored into it to at least some degree.

Insomuch as, was Bob's intention for all those characters bitchslapped by the Underbase to be dead?

I reckon so.

Grant Morrison (supposedly) always intended for Xorn to be Magneto, so him supposedly dying in Genosha doesn't count. Wolverine then chops off his head... but Claremont then comes along and goes "er, no actually I've decided it wasn't really him."

Alright, in a retconned sense, Magneto didn't die. But as far as Morrison was concerned, he killed him off.

Underbase falls into the same category to some degree yeah? Just because Hasbro brought along new toys / Furman decided he wanted to use somebody who was killed off doesn't alter the original intent off the story does it?

Oh [composite word including 'f*ck'] it, I don't really care. I've got Family Guy DVDs to watch.

[The Last Autobot]

When Prime was all melancholic of Ratchet´s "death" in Yesterday Heroes, Perceptor was listed as "deceased" not even deactivated but just plain dead...

...and he returned in G2.

Its really impossible to tell when a transformer is definitely dead, everybody can be returned to life.

And in post BW you dont even need your body, you can always bring your spark back from the afterlife and have a new one.

[Guest]

And in post BW you dont even need your body, you can always bring your spark back from the afterlife and have a new one.

Hold on. When did that happen?

All I remember from BW concerning death & resurrection was Rhinox retrieving Primal's fading spark from the Transwarp anomaly, The Vok merged Tigatron and Airrazor's sparks, Dinobot's spark dissipated when he died and Megatron made Dinobot II incorporating Dinobt's DNA (CNA?) while, in an unmade episode, the Maximals installed Dinobot's code into Dinobot II at some point.

[The Last Autobot]

And in post BW you dont even need your body, you can always bring your spark back from the afterlife and have a new one.

Hold on. When did that happen?

Rhinox retrieving Primal's fading spark from the Transwarp anomaly,

Well, it was retrieved from the place "where all are one", actually


And as I put, that´s the case in many post BW

examples:

In BM: The most prominent case is Megatron, but aside of him; Silverbolt, Waspinator, Strika, Obsidian, Rhinox sparks who were extracted and put in new bodies.

In the Universe Comic: The sparks of Rhinox and Depth Charge are brought back after death, and put in new bodies.

In Energon: Megatron needed only the spark of Demolishor to do just the same. And Alpha Q made similar things resurrecting Nightscream and Scorponok with their sparks.

[Optimus Prime Rib]

do minicons count in this discussion? the omnicons didnt die.

[Guest]

And in post BW you dont even need your body, you can always bring your spark back from the afterlife and have a new one.

Hold on. When did that happen?

Rhinox retrieving Primal's fading spark from the Transwarp anomaly,

Well, it was retrieved from the place "where all are one", actually


And as I put, that´s the case in many post BW

examples:

In BM: The most prominent case is Megatron, but aside of him; Silverbolt, Waspinator, Strika, Obsidian, Rhinox sparks who were extracted and put in new bodies.

In the Universe Comic: The sparks of Rhinox and Depth Charge are brought back after death, and put in new bodies.

In Energon: Megatron needed only the spark of Demolishor to do just the same. And Alpha Q made similar things resurrecting Nightscream and Scorponok with their sparks.

Ah, so aside from in the Universe comic (which have not read), it's not exactly this "where all are one" place, then, but just having the spark available to insert into a new body, which is an entirely different matter.

Unless, of course, you're going to say that the container where Megatron stored all of the Transformers' sparks post-extraction is the "where all are one" place.

And in the Energon case, it can be said that the sparks of those absorbed by Unicron are not extinguished, but otherwise contained within his form.

[The Last Autobot]

Ah, so aside from in the Universe comic (which have not read), it's not exactly this "where all are one" place, then, but just having the spark available to insert into a new body, which is an entirely different matter.

As I recall that´s where Rhinox said he would go -using the transwarp hole- but directly to the Matrix/AllSpark to take Primal´s Spark. Either way he was destroyed and his spark was inserted in a new body -as I posted before.

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Comi ... 8Part_2%29
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Opti ... rs_cartoon

And in the Energon case, it can be said that the sparks of those absorbed by Unicron are not extinguished, but otherwise contained within his form.

Starscream wasn´t absorbed by Unicron he was disintegrated. Likewise Scorponok blew himself up with Alpha Q´s Planet.

do minicons count in this discussion? the omnicons didnt die.

Not in the Energon comic, but many die in the Cybertron Comics (especifically in Revelations Part 5 where various Skyblasts are blasted )and in the Energon cartoon/anime