I seem to have...

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:42 am

a perpetual problem with posting provocative stuff on the IDW board

http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=5541

Somebody stop me next time.

stranger · Post by **stranger** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:31 am

Well... you somehow managed to go from All Hail Megatron to child labour exploitation in one post. What did you think was going to happen, especially on that board?

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:46 pm

Sometimes that sort of thing is fun...

Jack Cade · Post by **Jack Cade** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:24 pm

While it probably wasn't the least controversial thing to slip in there, all those 'hand that feeds' comments irritated me. We, the buyers, are the hand that feeds - unless anybody here actually dines on Transformers? 'Biting the hand that feeds' is pissing off your readership by dumbing down, telling them to put up or shut up on your official board etc. Questioning corporate malpractice is biting the hand that's reaching for your pocket.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:13 pm

Yeah, or the guy that said, "Heck, I'm a Pro IDW guy," like if IDW does it, it can't be wrong.

So did you start another thread detailing the ethical malpractices of Hasbro? That idea seems like it would lead to even more fun than this one.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:45 pm

I am tired of flirting with banning/pissing off mods and by consequence pissing off Skwege on IDW. But if someone else wants to, go ahead. Yaya?

It's a real dilemma if you want to collect the toys. I see no way to organize TF fandom enough to boycott the toys and do any real damage. It would be great if the whole world could boycott Hasbro products for, say, two months, even slump months like January and February, but it ain't gonna happen.

Besides, all the ethical concerns in the world go right out of your head when you see Universe Galvatron. Wo unto the hypocrites, because we all are.

I can't see a real solution as of now except to throw your full support behind the National Labor Commission and the other organizations that man these investigations. Though they're hardly armed with the power to challenge Hasbro.

IronHide · Post by **IronHide** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:16 am

Just going off the events of your last 'interaction' that caused some stir.

Maybe not post on a forum full of idiots and psychos?

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:06 am

IronHide wrote:Just going off the events of your last 'interaction' that caused some stir.

Maybe not post on a forum full of idiots and psychos?

I guess I'm the kid who has to touch the stove more than once.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:40 pm

Jack Cade wrote:While it probably wasn't the least controversial thing to slip in there, all those 'hand that feeds' comments irritated me. We, the buyers, are the hand that feeds - unless anybody here actually dines on Transformers?

Maybe if the current output was a little meatier.

Nooch.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:09 am

Sprunk, I lost any real desire to carry on a discussion on those boards when they banned negative criticism.

There are some fans there that, as long as the IDW logo is stuck on the cover, will defend it tooth and nail.

In other words, I don't feel like discussing things with people who wouldn't know a piece of sh#t if it dropped out of their ass.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:06 am

Yaya wrote: In other words, I don't feel like discussing things with people who wouldn't know a piece of sh#t if it dropped out of their ass.

So THAT'S what that thing was. Huh.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:42 am

Yaya wrote:Sprunk, I lost any real desire to carry on a discussion on those boards when they banned negative criticism.

There are some fans there that, as long as the IDW logo is stuck on the cover, will defend it tooth and nail.

In other words, I don't feel like discussing things with people who wouldn't know a piece of sh#t if it dropped out of their ass.

Aye. So I stick to transfans, but then...

Problem is, so many people around here are articulate and intelligent that we generally end up on the same page and there's just no real bite to the argument because even when we're all like, "Yaya's wrong," we have to say, "Yeah, but he's got some good points." And then where are you? You might as well buy a round and go home. Sometimes I love pointing out in detail how someone is a total c*ckup.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:35 am

Shanti418 wrote:
Yaya wrote: In other words, I don't feel like discussing things with people who wouldn't know a piece of sh#t if it dropped out of their ass.
So THAT'S what that thing was. Huh.

Funny.

Anyway, I have to say I'm pretty close to going all "Commander Shockwav" on the IDW's board.

I have lost my patience with AHM. I feel cheated that after this long, after giving Shane the benefit of the doubt, after reading how good a comic can be with some of Marvel's current stuff, the story feels like it has just begun.

This was a twelve issue story. That means it should not have been just a story. It should have been an epic. I should have been an event.

I'm frustrated because today I picked up my brothers G.I.Joe Origins #1, just on a whim, though I hate ****** G.I.Joe. And guess what? The damn thing was better than almost all of the recent TF stuff I've read. And I hate G.I.Joe!

Why is it that G.I. Joe can show a guy getting his brains blown out literally by a sniper rifle, but TF can't show even the slightest hint of blood?

Why has G.I. Joe been given the green light for a more serious tone, but TF has not?

I like the staff at IDW. I like Chris and Denton. They have promised a new direction. I'm going to stick with it, out of hope. I'm going to try to remain optimistic.

But the kid gloves are coming off on my reviews. If I get banned, so be it.

Mr_Tigg · Post by **Mr_Tigg** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:18 pm

Yaya wrote:
Shanti418 wrote:
Yaya wrote: In other words, I don't feel like discussing things with people who wouldn't know a piece of sh#t if it dropped out of their ass.
So THAT'S what that thing was. Huh.
Funny.

Anyway, I have to say I'm pretty close to going all "Commander Shockwav" on the IDW's board.

I have lost my patience with AHM. I feel cheated that after this long, after giving Shane the benefit of the doubt, after reading how good a comic can be with some of Marvel's current stuff, the story feels like it has just begun.

This was a twelve issue story. That means it should not have been just a story. It should have been an epic. I should have been an event.

I'm frustrated because today I picked up my brothers G.I.Joe Origins #1, just on a whim, though I hate ****** G.I.Joe. And guess what? The damn thing was better than almost all of the recent TF stuff I've read. And I hate G.I.Joe!

Why is it that G.I. Joe can show a guy getting his brains blown out literally by a sniper rifle, but TF can't show even the slightest hint of blood?

Why has G.I. Joe been given the green light for a more serious tone, but TF has not?

I like the staff at IDW. I like Chris and Denton. They have promised a new direction. I'm going to stick with it, out of hope. I'm going to try to remain optimistic.

But the kid gloves are coming off on my reviews. If I get banned, so be it.

Eh? I thought you liked AHM, you always give it Bs, which in my books is not a bad effort.

Doubt they will ban you, after the storm that kicked off at Jack getting banned for retarded reasons.

I've stopped going there all together, AHM has totally crapped on all my enthusiasm for TF comics. I'm reading Fables instead - much better.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:50 pm

YaYa, Who Has A Man For A Head And A Woman For The Tough Times wrote:They have promised a new direction.

I really hate the idea, considering the old direction was pretty damn good. I would much rather have had them stay with what Simon was doing but "kick it up a notch," so to speak.

Ditto what everyone said. I got to the point where I quit buying Dreamwave, too, and now I've hit that point with IDW. After the end of Maximum Dinos, the only thing I'm excited about is Spotlight: Metroplex. Every other damn thing is some sort of AHM spinoff.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:22 pm

Mr_Tigg wrote:I'm reading Fables instead - much better.

Fables is the balls.

Certainly if anyone was only reading one comic a month you would be pretty hard pressed to recommend TFs as that one - even when Simon was running the ship i would say.

In terms of the reaction - gotta be honest Sprunk that was a pretty random opening post!

My favourite current thing at IDW is that someone has written some trite summary of AHM - its about the cost of victory for the Decepticons and its about the cost of defeat for the Autobots and whatnot - and its getting QFT left right and centre.

What its about isn't the point is it? Surely whether its any good is the point?

Jack Cade · Post by **Jack Cade** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:43 pm

Yeah, McCarthy's been soundbiting for months about the purpose of AHM, and it's all very interesting, but it doesn't make it better. Seven issues to show us that the cost of victory for Decepticons is umm... loads of fun, some tiresome speeches and a few egos clashing, and that the cost of victory for the Autobots is that they find out they don't really like each other.

arkonseal · Post by **arkonseal** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:37 am

Best First wrote:
My favourite current thing at IDW is that someone has written some trite summary of AHM - its about the cost of victory for the Decepticons and its about the cost of defeat for the Autobots and whatnot - and its getting QFT left right and centre.

What its about isn't the point is it? Surely whether its any good is the point?

Oh good, I didn't want to carp more on IDW's board, but those kinds of "it's so simple, you see" explanations rub me the wrong way. First, critics needed to relax, because it's an awesome action-movie spectacular....that was ridiculously cheesy and cliched. No wait, it's a thoughtful take on the psychological effects of the end of the war....that has largely consisted of circular conversations between Megatron and Starscream and exposition from Kup. Meanwhile in the background, Decepticons and Autobots alike bicker and humans flop around. Plus, apparently, this is all so deep that the ending to the big WAR that has been central to all Transformers stories can be glossed over with a silly, silly series of events.

I don't care if AHM was intended to be complex and introspective, all the things that have made it so unenjoyable are still there.

Of course, I haven't read 8 and it's apparently the key to it all being good now, going by the reviews.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:21 am

Best MotherFrakkin First wrote:gotta be honest Sprunk that was a pretty random opening post!

thankyew! I aim to please.

Quite honestly, one of the only reasons I've stuck around there was that a certain someone put out the false word that I had been banned.

I read 8 in the store. Got to be honest, it won me over, though I still didn't buy it on principle. It was really, really, really good. And it actually showed RESPECT MOTHAF*CKA to Simon by using the Hunstreaker plotline. In fact, the only bad thing about it was that Guido used a different inker and his art wasn't up to usual standard.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:34 pm

Mr_Tigg wrote: Eh? I thought you liked AHM, you always give it Bs, which in my books is not a bad effort.

I think you've inaccurately surmised that just because I have found problems in Simon's writing, I must therefore like AHM. Not really the case.

I like some of AHM, but the pacing really hurts it. Most of it has been pretty average, with some very good stuff interspersed. As has Furman's work, IMO.

What has frustrated me most is that it has been about a year of average TF comics from both.

We can do better.

Better, like this last issue of AHM, which was awesome.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:40 am

for [composite word including 'f*ck']'s sake. http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopi ... 1&start=45

A mod--a guy I admired in the past--has now not only brought back up the issue of the Hasbro labor policies, but is insisting on the "hand that feeds" approach.

At least Denyer is supporting the stirring up of trouble. Which may get us both banned, but hey, I'm not sure why I wanted to keep posting there.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:12 am

OMFG.

"Do not discuss Hasbro's bad practice here, we may not get TF comics any more"

F5ck TF comics if Hasbro is exploiting people. Not saying they are or they are not but discussing that and being responsible about that... more important than anything else on that site, this site or your mum's other website surely?

And yet - topic locked;

The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.

Or in this instance spectaculy lacking in testicular fortitude.

Disgraceful.

Jack Cade · Post by **Jack Cade** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:14 pm

Serious backwards logic going on. A prominent official website where the company concerned might notice people voicing there opinions is exactly the right place to be having the discussion.

And I seriously doubt any company would respond to ethical complaints by pulling a line that's making them money.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:23 pm

Proof that a discussion of anything meaningful will never go anywhere on that board. Look how far IDW fell in one year.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:30 pm

Eh, I'm just spending my time over there Tramp-baiting lately.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:51 pm

sprunkner wrote:Proof that a discussion of anything meaningful will never go anywhere on that board. Look how far IDW fell in one year.

i think its the mods rather than the company.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:41 am

sprunkner wrote:Proof that a discussion of anything meaningful will never go anywhere on that board. Look how far IDW fell in one year.

Falling in one way, climbing in another. You might be surprised to find out that IDW is nipping at the heels of Dark Horse for third largest market share amongst comic publishers.

They already passed Image.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090313- ... sales.html

Jack Cade · Post by **Jack Cade** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:26 pm

FYI, it has been intimated to me that were a new thread to be started about this issue, it will be allowed some breathing space, but it's been suggested that Ryall's permission is sought first.

Me, I'm not on best terms with IDW management, so not going to do it.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:33 pm

Who said this? Wha? They unbanned you?

Jack Cade · Post by **Jack Cade** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:44 pm

They didn't unban me, but I can still communicate with people!