Devestation #6 Review (SPOILERS)

Post by **Denyer** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:00 pm

Best First wrote:i would say to call it a non-interference policy is also flawed - thjey want to interfere

With the Decepticons.

Direct contact with a native species is considered a breach of protocol and multiple points of the Autobot code; putting TF tech into the hands of aliens is actively policed by enforcers such as Magnus.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:40 am

Denyer wrote:
Best First wrote:i would say to call it a non-interference policy is also flawed - thjey want to interfere
With the Decepticons.

Direct contact with a native species is considered a breach of protocol and multiple points of the Autobot code;

blah - its not something they are particularly precious about is it? Prime happily swatted a hume once he realised they had been observed and equally is pretty pragmatic about abandoning worlds that are too far gone. Notto mention the fact Ratchet hasn't exactly been severely disceplined or the 'bots will happily bag artifacts of native power rather than risk the cons getting them.

And more to the point it remains a fairly poor justification for not 'bouncing at night or to a nearby quiet spot. Or, thinking about it a bit more, actually just flying the ark to pick up IH on the way given it was taking off anyway and has a cloaking ability.

How the heck were they planning on getting him back to wherever they were planning on parking the ark anyway? He didn't look particularly towable...

Post by **Denyer** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:45 pm

Best First wrote:How the heck were they planning on getting him back to wherever they were planning on parking the ark anyway?

Probably making sure the scene was secure then bouncing up to the shuttle. It doesn't matter if their manner of egress is observed, but if they bounce down the chances are Decepticons could track the massive energy spike and similarly bounce over to engage them. Sparking off a pitch battle in a settled area isn't something the 'Bots want to do. Slip in unnoticed, get out quick.

As far as protocol goes... sure, individuals ignore things and even outright cheat at times. It's mainly there to keep them alive longterm. Ditto for any agreements with the Decepticons; both sides will be breaking the 'rules of engagement' when they feel they're not being watched.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:59 pm

I was just annoyed the battlechargers got offed together. Would have been much more satisfying if a seeker had gone down instead of one of them, that way the 'Cons wouldn't be laughing it off so much.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:20 pm

Denyer wrote:
Best First wrote:How the heck were they planning on getting him back to wherever they were planning on parking the ark anyway?
Probably making sure the scene was secure then bouncing up to the shuttle. It doesn't matter if their manner of egress is observed, but if they bounce down the chances are Decepticons could track the massive energy spike and similarly bounce over to engage them. Sparking off a pitch battle in a settled area isn't something the 'Bots want to do. Slip in unnoticed, get out quick.
.

if we could not get into the general IDW board mentality of desperately trying to explain away any faults with their comics i'd appreciate it - the notion that they couldn't quickly bounce in and bounce out before the cons doesn't seem particularly unlikley given Megs initially unnoticed arrival at the Oregan bunker does it?

Sometimes (although not that often) Furman just fluffs things a bit for the sake of getting the plot where he wants to - the point of this particular story strand would seem to be more around engaging the Headmasters which neccessetated a road trip and then closing the wider plot neccesetated HH bouncing in - the fact that that the sequence of events put together doesn't really make that much sense on closer inspection is just something that doesn't stand up to scrutiny - no point trying to apply the moral superiority arguement just because the WMD one has been refuted - it still doesn't hang together.

Post by **Denyer** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:26 pm

Best First wrote:if we could not get into the general IDW board mentality of desperately trying to explain away any faults

Yes-um, Chief Whole-Potato-On-Shoulder...

I don't think it's a stretch to say that the Autobots try to keep use of bounces to a minimum, given what we've seen so far. It's not an entirely safe process.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:26 am

Denyer wrote:
Best First wrote:if we could not get into the general IDW board mentality of desperately trying to explain away any faults
Yes-um, Chief Whole-Potato-On-Shoulder.

My harboured greivence being what exactly?

Not going to apoligise for disgareeing with flawed explanations for stuff that doesn't hang together or noting certain patterns in their appearence.

Post by **Denyer** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:09 am

Best First wrote:My harboured grievance being what exactly?

The place isn't quite as sycophantic and 'hive mind' as suggested, and I think an equal part is is people reacting to the tone of a few posts. It's gotten a bit them-and-us with TransFans and the IDW forums, in spite of a bunch of people posting at both.

Filling in explanations for things is a big part of the conversations on fan boards. Other perennials are things like characters speaking out loud and giving away information rather than using encrypted comms channels.

I don't think the range of reasons conjectured for 'Bots not bouncing all over the place are flawed, either. Bounces are marked by disorientation, there's some chance of them going wrong, they're a big energy expenditure, they're likely trackable, etc. Prime doesn't expect any trouble with a quick, quiet recovery mission, and sends Hot Rod and Wheeljack out on that basis.

Post by **Best First** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:19 pm

so my harboured grievence being what exactly? Apart from a general issue with ass kissing and inanity - which i don't see any good reasons for removing from my taste filter.

Whatever that is.

I'd be less concerned if it wasn't the primary medium by which IDW recieve feedback as it is the desire to buddy up to IDW by a number of the more frequent posters stymies the places usefulness.

IMO.

More on topic where is anyone suggesting the bits should be "bouncing all over the place"? I seem to recall the scenario in question is "Comrade in arms going to be crushed to death in a few hours" not "Out of milk".

Maybe in your view that wouldn't be a challenge to a generally economic policy on using the space hopper but i wouldn't want you on my team if that is the case.

Equally saying Prime doesn't expect trouble seems odd specualtion when he has previoulsy stated that the bots are more exposed than they have ever been.

Thanks for explaing stuff on forums and why people type and things tho.

Post by **Denyer** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:21 pm

Best First wrote:"Comrade in arms going to be crushed to death in a few hours"

Plenty of time to do things without incurring additional risk. I'm with Brend on this one.

Best First wrote:Thanks for explaing stuff on forums and why people type and things tho.

No worries. Sorry I couldn't make the recruitment drive this year; didn't even get past the moat.

Post by **Best First** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:04 pm

Denyer wrote:
Best First wrote:"Comrade in arms going to be crushed to death in a few hours"
Plenty of time to do things without incurring additional risk. I'm with Brend on this one.

I'm sure he'll be over the moon.

No worries. Sorry I couldn't make the recruitment drive this year; didn't even get past the moat.

Good to hear its doing its job.