TF Comic Sales..for those interested

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:45 pm

Legion wrote:
Predabot wrote:So... do you figure DnA would get the numbers back up? ( those are the guys on the grapevine, right?)
A squirrel with a blunt pencil would get the numbers up... well, for one issue anyway...

Because it would need a pencil sharpener?

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:41 pm

November 2010 TF Comic Sales

157 TRANSFORMERS ONGOING #13 10,998 copies
212 TRANSFORMERS SECTOR 7 #3 6,665 copies

TPB:
49 TRANSFORMERS PRIME TP 1,861 copies
104 TRANSFORMERS ANIMATED BOTS OF SCIENCE GN 1,147 copies
269 TRANSFORMERS IDW COLLECTION HC VOL 02 448 copies

Total TF Revenue November 2010: $116,038.81

Ooooooooooooh. Not even 11,000 copies! Ouch!

Summary:
Total TF Revenue December 2006: $209,000.
Total TF Revenue November 2006: $208,000
Total TF Revenue October 2006: $189,533
Total TF Revenue January 2007 $161,380
Total TF Revenue for February 2007 $121,024
Total TF Revenue for March 2007 $329,932
Total TF Revenue for April 2007 $198,345
Total TF Revenue for May 2007 $238,936.79
Total TF Revenue for June 2007 $535,169.76
Total TF Revenue for July 2007 $262,600.59 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for August 2007 $127,860.12 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for September 2007 $118,460.58 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for October 2007 $424,635.39 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for November 2007 $125,453.58
Total TF Revenue for December 2007 $102,105.78
total TF Revenue for January 2008 $247,827.98
total TF Revenue for February 2008 $250,586.39
Total TF Revenue for March 2008 $62,690.88
Total TF Revenue for April 2008 $107,759.55
Total TF Revenue for May 2008 $111,658.23
Total TF Revenue for June 2008 $211,659.50
Total TF Revenue for July 2008 $202,113.45
Total TF Revenue for August 2008 $282,627.66
Total TF Revenue for Sept 2008: $133,329.84
Total TF Revenue for Oct 2008: $152,733.21
Total TF Revenue for Nov 2008: $158,982.55
Total TF Revenue for Dec 2008: $188,709.54
Total TF Revenue for January 2009: $131,025.02
Total TF Revenue for February 2009: $223,255.27
Total TF Revenue March 2009: $251,328.92
Total TF Revenue April 2009: $276,880.11
Total TF Revenue May 2009: $150,588.06
Total TF Revenue June 2009: $268,418.81
Total TF revenue for July 2009: $162,828.27
Total TF revenue for August 2009: $160,104.97
Total TF revenue Sept 2009: $125,925.01
Total TF RevenueOctober 2009 : $116,709.76
Total TF Revenue Nov 2009: $132,551.12
Total TF Revenue Dec 2009: $131,644.06.
Total TF revenue January 2010 : $189,830.76
Total TF Revenue February 2010: $114,452.08
Total TF Revenue March 2010: $148,667.40
Total TF Revenue April 2010: $165,619.84
Total TF Revenue May 2010 $168,071.34
Total TF Revenue June 2010 $177,546.27
Total TF Revenue July 2010=$130,846.66
Total TF Revenue August 2010 $136,790.92
Total TF Revenue September 2010: $189,086.08
Total TF Revenue October 2010 $183,134.65
Total TF Revenue November 2010: $116,038.81

Post by **Best First** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:33 pm

How long until the point where the arguement that the 20 or so regular posters at the IDW board are not representative of the fandom ceases to be true?

Jack Cade · Post by **Jack Cade** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:51 pm

Never.

Shifts in sales take place over too long a time period for most 'reasons' to be anything more than stabs in the dark or gut instinct. So Andy will keep listening to whoever it is on the ground who's telling him the kids are digging this stuff, making minor adjustments to sort out what he sees as 'areas for improvement', and when sales are so low that drastic action is needed, they'll find something else to pin it on, or else dress up the drastic action as a natural change that the creative team felt appropriate.

Even if they did switch, it would take even a brilliant writer over a year to bring sales back up, I reckon - so as long as IDW aren't persuaded by rational critique that the series is badly missing its mark, stats won't convince them either. Whatever concessions we were going to get, we've already got (AHM 'wasn't for everyone', some mistakes owned up to, etc)

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:18 pm

I think the fact of the matter is this. IDW just doesn't care enough about Transformers anymore.

In the past year, they have grown quite a bit, gobbling up one license after another.

I think their thought process now is "why cater to one of the most demanding of fandoms when the return from that effort will only be 12,000 copies, no matter what we do?"

Jack Cade · Post by **Jack Cade** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:17 pm

True enough, Yaya, but they make it harder on themselves by worrying too much about 'catering' to whomever and less about telling a good story. The problem, which has no painless solution, is their judgment as editors is just off target. Crucial decisions seem to be the wrong ones, and that goes right back to the start - trying to market an ongoing as one miniseries after another, letting the spotlights become crucial to the main plot without making clear to the casual reader the order of reading, replacing Furman with McCarthy, etc.

And have they ever 'catered' for the demanding fanbase? The tack seems instead to have been to go with their better judgment and then tell us to give it a chance. LSotW and Stormbringer were arguably bids to give us what we wanted, but apart from that ...

Post by **Best First** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:32 pm

The thing is, if those offerings were aimed at "us" - who the frig is the other guff aimed at?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:42 pm

Predabot.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:14 pm

Haha!

Comes a time where they give up the license and were back to square one.

Perhaps there are no professionals out there who can write a good TF comic?

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:32 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Haha!

Comes a time where they give up the license and were back to square one.

Perhaps there are no professionals out there who can write a good TF comic?

what a depressing thought. Hasbro, alledgedly, seem to play a part in this.

Jack Cade · Post by **Jack Cade** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:47 pm

Best First wrote:The thing is, if those offerings were aimed at "us" - who the frig is the other guff aimed at?

I would say no one - they were the result of much brainstorming and excited negotiations between people of wildly varying competencies as to what would make the 'best' overall comic. The end result simply points to a leadership with poor taste - indeed, the kind whose eyes light up with glee when someone says, "And then Megatron comes back, bigger and badder than ever!" and genuinely felt the problem with Furman's storyline was that it was too cerebral and thus booooring.

I mean, that seems to me the simplest explanation. It's the same reason so many utterly ***** movies get made.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:51 pm

Yes that seems to make a degree of sense.

Sadly.

That and too many people in the world with the brass to tout rubbish ideas.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:13 pm

Best First wrote:Yes that seems to make a degree of sense.

Sadly.

That and too many people in the world with the brass to tout rubbish ideas.

The really sad thing is that there are too many people in the world willing to make those rubbish ideas into reality...

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:56 pm

And the hemmorhaging of readers continues:

December 2010 TF Comic Sales
178 TRANSFORMERS ONGOING #14 10,573 copies
265 TRANSFORMERS SECTOR 7 #4 5,236 copies

TPB
94 TRANSFORMERS ONGOING TP VOL 02 INT INCIDENT 1,084 copies
125 TRANSFORMERS IRONHIDE TP VOL 01 877 copies
178 TRANSFORMERS BEST OF STARSCREAM TP 704 copies

Total TF Revenue December 2010 $114,597.26

Summary:
Total TF Revenue December 2006: $209,000.
Total TF Revenue November 2006: $208,000
Total TF Revenue October 2006: $189,533
Total TF Revenue January 2007 $161,380
Total TF Revenue for February 2007 $121,024
Total TF Revenue for March 2007 $329,932
Total TF Revenue for April 2007 $198,345
Total TF Revenue for May 2007 $238,936.79
Total TF Revenue for June 2007 $535,169.76
Total TF Revenue for July 2007 $262,600.59 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for August 2007 $127,860.12 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for September 2007 $118,460.58 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for October 2007 $424,635.39 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for November 2007 $125,453.58
Total TF Revenue for December 2007 $102,105.78
total TF Revenue for January 2008 $247,827.98
total TF Revenue for February 2008 $250,586.39
Total TF Revenue for March 2008 $62,690.88
Total TF Revenue for April 2008 $107,759.55
Total TF Revenue for May 2008 $111,658.23
Total TF Revenue for June 2008 $211,659.50
Total TF Revenue for July 2008 $202,113.45
Total TF Revenue for August 2008 $282,627.66
Total TF Revenue for Sept 2008: $133,329.84
Total TF Revenue for Oct 2008: $152,733.21
Total TF Revenue for Nov 2008: $158,982.55
Total TF Revenue for Dec 2008: $188,709.54
Total TF Revenue for January 2009: $131,025.02
Total TF Revenue for February 2009: $223,255.27
Total TF Revenue March 2009: $251,328.92
Total TF Revenue April 2009: $276,880.11
Total TF Revenue May 2009: $150,588.06
Total TF Revenue June 2009: $268,418.81
Total TF revenue for July 2009: $162,828.27
Total TF revenue for August 2009: $160,104.97
Total TF revenue Sept 2009: $125,925.01
Total TF RevenueOctober 2009 : $116,709.76
Total TF Revenue Nov 2009: $132,551.12
Total TF Revenue Dec 2009: $131,644.06.
Total TF revenue January 2010 : $189,830.76
Total TF Revenue February 2010: $114,452.08
Total TF Revenue March 2010: $148,667.40
Total TF Revenue April 2010: $165,619.84
Total TF Revenue May 2010 $168,071.34
Total TF Revenue June 2010 $177,546.27
Total TF Revenue July 2010=$130,846.66
Total TF Revenue August 2010 $136,790.92
Total TF Revenue September 2010: $189,086.08
Total TF Revenue October 2010 $183,134.65
Total TF Revenue November 2010: $116,038.81
Total TF Revenue December 2010: $$114,597.26

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:29 pm

Total earnings are pretty darn low.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:29 am

bumblemusprime wrote:Total earnings are pretty darn low.

Makes you wonder at what point is IDW losing money on TF. The license can't be cheap.

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:49 am

Do you think we might be reaching another natural cut-off point, similar to what happened after Beast Wars/Beast Machines?

i e the Japanese keep the series going, nobody else is really interested, no new comics are made and very few TF toys make it onto the shelves

The readership of the comic is dropping off (due to what sounds like a deadly mixture of incompetence, arrogance and hubris), there seem to be less and less TF toys in the shop whenever I glance for them... might the third movie (puttup!) be the last thing we'll get for a while?

If so, what a note to go out on... :S

[Editor's note: Mr. Lynch has not seen the third movie and his comments are thusly his own bias and do not represent the views of orangutans, Terry's Chocolate Orange or the Lewisham Over 60's Nudist Leapfrog Team. Results may vary.]

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:15 pm

Karl wrote:..and do not represent the views of orangutans, Terry's Chocolate Orange or the Lewisham Over 60's Nudist Leapfrog Team. Results may vary.]

Pfft. Your words have no merit, then.

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:19 pm

Karl wrote:Do you think we might be reaching another natural cut-off point, similar to what happened after Beast Wars/Beast Machines?

i e the Japanese keep the series going, nobody else is really interested, no new comics are made and very few TF toys make it onto the shelves

The readership of the comic is dropping off (due to what sounds like a deadly mixture of incompetence, arrogance and hubris), there seem to be less and less TF toys in the shop whenever I glance for them... might the third movie (puttup!) be the last thing we'll get for a while?

If so, what a note to go out on... :S

[Editor's note: Mr. Lynch has not seen the third movie and his comments are thusly his own bias and do not represent the views of orangutans, Terry's Chocolate Orange or the Lewisham Over 60's Nudist Leapfrog Team. Results may vary.]

Wouldn't that open some sort of rift, considering that's exactly what Takara's doing at the moment?

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:26 pm

Takara is making the comic sales go down?

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:10 am

Sorry, I should've been more specific in my quoting. This is what I was responding to:

Karl wrote:Do you think we might be reaching another natural cut-off point, similar to what happened after Beast Wars/Beast Machines?

i e the Japanese keep the series going, nobody else is really interested, no new comics are made and very few TF toys make it onto the shelves

Post by **Kaylee** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:42 am

Ah yes, sorry I was being dense

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:42 pm

Were they still doing comics?

I pretty much abandoned Tf comics a year ago, and only have read a couple issues since.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:05 pm

January 2011 TF comic sales

129 TRANSFORMERS ONGOING #15 10,159 copies
195 TRANSFORMERS PRIME #1 5,435 copies
199 TRANSFORMERS SECTOR 7 #5 5,162 copies
200 TRANSFORMERS PRIME #3 5,036 copies
201 TRANSFORMERS PRIME #4 5,015 copies
213 TRANSFORMERS PRIME #2 4,588 copies

74 TRANSFORMERS DRIFT TP $17.99 975 copies

Total TF Revenue January 2011 $158,766.30

The trickling ongoing sales continue. Could we fall below 10,000 next month? Just to put this into perspective, Transformer Generations #6 sold more than the current ongoing? Remember Generations? The reprints of Marvel's old issues? Yeah, #6 of that.

Summary:
Total TF Revenue December 2006: $209,000.
Total TF Revenue November 2006: $208,000
Total TF Revenue October 2006: $189,533
Total TF Revenue January 2007 $161,380
Total TF Revenue for February 2007 $121,024
Total TF Revenue for March 2007 $329,932
Total TF Revenue for April 2007 $198,345
Total TF Revenue for May 2007 $238,936.79
Total TF Revenue for June 2007 $535,169.76
Total TF Revenue for July 2007 $262,600.59 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for August 2007 $127,860.12 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for September 2007 $118,460.58 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for October 2007 $424,635.39 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for November 2007 $125,453.58
Total TF Revenue for December 2007 $102,105.78
total TF Revenue for January 2008 $247,827.98
total TF Revenue for February 2008 $250,586.39
Total TF Revenue for March 2008 $62,690.88
Total TF Revenue for April 2008 $107,759.55
Total TF Revenue for May 2008 $111,658.23
Total TF Revenue for June 2008 $211,659.50
Total TF Revenue for July 2008 $202,113.45
Total TF Revenue for August 2008 $282,627.66
Total TF Revenue for Sept 2008: $133,329.84
Total TF Revenue for Oct 2008: $152,733.21
Total TF Revenue for Nov 2008: $158,982.55
Total TF Revenue for Dec 2008: $188,709.54
Total TF Revenue for January 2009: $131,025.02
Total TF Revenue for February 2009: $223,255.27
Total TF Revenue March 2009: $251,328.92
Total TF Revenue April 2009: $276,880.11
Total TF Revenue May 2009: $150,588.06
Total TF Revenue June 2009: $268,418.81
Total TF revenue for July 2009: $162,828.27
Total TF revenue for August 2009: $160,104.97
Total TF revenue Sept 2009: $125,925.01
Total TF RevenueOctober 2009 : $116,709.76
Total TF Revenue Nov 2009: $132,551.12
Total TF Revenue Dec 2009: $131,644.06.
Total TF revenue January 2010 : $189,830.76
Total TF Revenue February 2010: $114,452.08
Total TF Revenue March 2010: $148,667.40
Total TF Revenue April 2010: $165,619.84
Total TF Revenue May 2010 $168,071.34
Total TF Revenue June 2010 $177,546.27
Total TF Revenue July 2010=$130,846.66
Total TF Revenue August 2010 $136,790.92
Total TF Revenue September 2010: $189,086.08
Total TF Revenue October 2010 $183,134.65
Total TF Revenue November 2010: $116,038.81
Total TF Revenue December 2010: $$114,597.26
Total TF Revenue January 2011: $158,766.30

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:39 pm

February TF sales from ICV2

136 TF Infestation #1 12,961
144 TF Infestation #2 11,969
165 Ongoing #16 10,265
212 Foundation #1 6,985
214 Rising Storm #1 6,911
262 Ongoing #1 Penny Press Ed 4,247

Total comic sales = $200,120.90

Summary:
Total TF Revenue December 2006: $209,000.
Total TF Revenue November 2006: $208,000
Total TF Revenue October 2006: $189,533
Total TF Revenue January 2007 $161,380
Total TF Revenue for February 2007 $121,024
Total TF Revenue for March 2007 $329,932
Total TF Revenue for April 2007 $198,345
Total TF Revenue for May 2007 $238,936.79
Total TF Revenue for June 2007 $535,169.76
Total TF Revenue for July 2007 $262,600.59 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for August 2007 $127,860.12 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for September 2007 $118,460.58 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for October 2007 $424,635.39 (estimate)
Total TF Revenue for November 2007 $125,453.58
Total TF Revenue for December 2007 $102,105.78
total TF Revenue for January 2008 $247,827.98
total TF Revenue for February 2008 $250,586.39
Total TF Revenue for March 2008 $62,690.88
Total TF Revenue for April 2008 $107,759.55
Total TF Revenue for May 2008 $111,658.23
Total TF Revenue for June 2008 $211,659.50
Total TF Revenue for July 2008 $202,113.45
Total TF Revenue for August 2008 $282,627.66
Total TF Revenue for Sept 2008: $133,329.84
Total TF Revenue for Oct 2008: $152,733.21
Total TF Revenue for Nov 2008: $158,982.55
Total TF Revenue for Dec 2008: $188,709.54
Total TF Revenue for January 2009: $131,025.02
Total TF Revenue for February 2009: $223,255.27
Total TF Revenue March 2009: $251,328.92
Total TF Revenue April 2009: $276,880.11
Total TF Revenue May 2009: $150,588.06
Total TF Revenue June 2009: $268,418.81
Total TF revenue for July 2009: $162,828.27
Total TF revenue for August 2009: $160,104.97
Total TF revenue Sept 2009: $125,925.01
Total TF RevenueOctober 2009 : $116,709.76
Total TF Revenue Nov 2009: $132,551.12
Total TF Revenue Dec 2009: $131,644.06.
Total TF revenue January 2010 : $189,830.76
Total TF Revenue February 2010: $114,452.08
Total TF Revenue March 2010: $148,667.40
Total TF Revenue April 2010: $165,619.84
Total TF Revenue May 2010 $168,071.34
Total TF Revenue June 2010 $177,546.27
Total TF Revenue July 2010=$130,846.66
Total TF Revenue August 2010 $136,790.92
Total TF Revenue September 2010: $189,086.08
Total TF Revenue October 2010 $183,134.65
Total TF Revenue November 2010: $116,038.81
Total TF Revenue December 2010: $$114,597.26
Total TF Revenue January 2011: $158,766.30
Total TF Revenue February 2011: $200,120.90

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:46 pm

Yaya wrote: 136 TF Infestation #1 12,961
144 TF Infestation #2 11,969
165 Ongoing #16 10,265
212 Foundation #1 6,985
214 Rising Storm #1 6,911
262 Ongoing #1 Penny Press Ed 4,247

So i guess this means we'll be seeing more crossovers in the future then?

Hook2 · Post by **Hook2** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:53 pm

Do you know what I love about this thread? It means that those of us who just wanted to ask Idw "what the !@#$ are you thinking?" were right.

It means that all the editor responses over on the Idw boards about sales being fine, exactly what they wanted, respect the writer and be nice, is all BS from people who KNOW they messed up and are just too pompous and self obsessed from all the fan butt licking they receive to admit it.

You can BARELY eek a regret out of Andy over the abrupt crap they took on Simon Furman. But even that is always followed with Tfs is about change and read our sorry excuse for a TF/Gijoe crossover and like it or you're just not open minded enough.

And then the terrorcons of squee and drowned dog start beating you up if you disagree, like a bunch of zombie eunuchs crowding around Andy and the writers!!!

"Don't hurt our writer...uuuurrrrggghhhh...don't criticize Drift...uuuuuugh!
You are being ruuuuuuude! Creator's....feelings huurrrrt!"

Or something like that, LOL!

Point is, it definitely IS hubris. I'll bet they know their books are doomed and are just trying to milk enough cash out to pay for the license and try breaking even by year's end. And to do it they totally insult our intelligence by having THE James Roberts step in...to help Costa.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:02 pm

Dear Jaja,

Have you got a quick way of reposting the figures, but with a quick parenthesis alongside each to indicate how many issues IDW put out that month?

Only if you've got it available, don't go back and count just because I asked or anything daft.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:56 pm

Sorry Brend, there are limits even to my generosity. Maybe I can convince some rabid IDW fanboy to complete this task?

I will tell you this, though, and that's as the years progressed, despite monthly revenue remaining relatively stable, it certainly did, and continues to, take more issues a month to make the same numbers compared to when Simon was on board.

And there are some surprises if you did the research. For example, even issues of Transformers Generations sold as much as issues of AHM. Just to refresh, Generations were the single issue reprints of the old Marvel issues IDW was releasing during Furman's run on IDW.

It can't be considered a good thing when reprints sold as well as the new stuff.

Hook2 · Post by **Hook2** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:04 am

Yaya wrote:Sorry Brend, there are limits even to my generosity. Maybe I can convince some rabid IDW fanboy to complete this task?

I will tell you this, though, and that's as the years progressed, despite monthly revenue remaining relatively stable, it certainly did, and continues to, take more issues a month to make the same numbers compared to when Simon was on board.

And there are some surprises if you did the research. For example, even issues of Transformers Generations sold as much as issues of AHM. Just to refresh, Generations were the single issue reprints of the old Marvel issues IDW was releasing during Furman's run on IDW.

It can't be considered a good thing when reprints sold as well as the new stuff.

Dude, I mean this with NO sarcasm or exaggeration.

A few months back I went back and read the Dreamwave run because I was so sick of Idw.

And you know what? I enjoyed it more than I have a single issue since ongoing #1. So I'm not surprised those marvel issues outsold it at all! Look at the amount of character and story in the Trypticon issue or even Bridge to nowhere!